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marions ghost

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59. We all see that
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:31 AM
Mar 2016

the two parties are clearly divided now. But I don't see how the stranglehold is ended anytime soon. Because there is no mechanism that allows more parties. The ideologically divergent groups are reduced to warring factions. The party controllers have no incentive to change anything. Hillary becoming president would in no way further the goal of third party, even though her candidacy has forced the chasm to open even wider.

The Democratic party is actually more split IMO. The R party has more loyalty to whoever wrestles it to the ground. Conservatives are more likely to band together, lock step.

If there were three parties--it would look like:

Progressive (liberal)
Democratic (centrist)
Repuglicon (conservative)

But this is all speculation. I don't know what is the solution. The fact that Independents are now 40% and growing makes them the deciders. But they are certainly not a true third party.
I am all for Independents, for sure. And open primaries. Otherwise many people would not vote at all.

So how do you see it ending the stranglehold?

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Yes.... daleanime Mar 2016 #1
But the costs of pulling out of the trade deals would bankrupt the country, wouldn't it? Baobab Mar 2016 #9
Would she do her best to get us out of THIS MESS? (must read) Baobab Mar 2016 #32
She would have to run it by focus groups and internal polling first AgingAmerican Mar 2016 #2
what about the trade deals, did you read my links? Baobab Mar 2016 #25
Nothing like some stereotyped insults to start you day... brooklynite Mar 2016 #41
To hold Obama to his promises AgingAmerican Mar 2016 #45
Is it democratic to push secret deals that take so much away from democracy? Baobab Mar 2016 #50
She will have to consult lord blankfein of goldman sachs. RATM435 Mar 2016 #3
. Dragonfli Mar 2016 #20
There is this huge global scheme called "progressive liberalisation" Baobab Mar 2016 #38
I am well aware, but thanks for posting for those that aren't /nt Dragonfli Mar 2016 #39
Not to worry, it ain't gonna happen. Darb Mar 2016 #4
But what if she loses? Baobab Mar 2016 #11
She will endorse him, duh. Darb Mar 2016 #14
Heckler doesn't stand a chance snooper2 Mar 2016 #35
It does not matter what she "says" - for a couple of reasons. djean111 Mar 2016 #5
Of course she would Onlooker Mar 2016 #6
Someone had told me she was a Republican in disguise, is that true? Biaviians Mar 2016 #22
Ideologically true, she is a "New" "Democrat" that believes in adopting Reagan fiscal policies Dragonfli Mar 2016 #42
This is amazing thank you very much! Biaviians Mar 2016 #51
whatevr you want to call Bernie marions ghost Mar 2016 #23
She's a divider Baobab Mar 2016 #54
We all see that marions ghost Mar 2016 #59
He has always caucused with the Democrats, he is more a Democrat than most in the party re issues Dragonfli Mar 2016 #40
WHo the hell would want Her endorsement? FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #7
Of course she would, just like she endorsed Obama. n/t tammywammy Mar 2016 #8
She did endorse obama and now Obama is going to take the blame for the three deals I am sure Baobab Mar 2016 #16
Were you alive in 2008? MadBadger Mar 2016 #10
I certainly was but I suspect that the situation is quite different. Both Obama and Hillary Baobab Mar 2016 #24
Clinton endorsed Obama after the normal deals were made. Perhaps Chelsea appointed to the Fed? TheBlackAdder Mar 2016 #12
Sure. I doubt very much she'll be in that position, though. MineralMan Mar 2016 #13
NO, because he will not bribe her with an appointed position. /nt Dragonfli Mar 2016 #15
Hillary didn't endorse Obama because she hoped to become Secretary of State. She endorsed him StevieM Mar 2016 #57
"or will she leave the country in the clutches of a despotic madman - an admirer of Hitler- instead? pampango Mar 2016 #17
Hypothetical that will never reach reality. n/t cosmicone Mar 2016 #18
Yes, whoever does not get the nomination will endorse whoever does. gollygee Mar 2016 #19
This is a pretty silly question. JoePhilly Mar 2016 #21
Bill Clinton signed us into the WTO which included the huge GATS FTA in 1995 Baobab Mar 2016 #27
"You all are missing my entire point. I have to conclude you're all sock puppets; idiots or crooks." pampango Mar 2016 #34
What is democracy? Baobab Mar 2016 #36
The question you asked to lead the OP was a good 'hook' to get people to read. pampango Mar 2016 #46
Thanks to the GATS, India had to give up its right to higher education. And Europe likely has to,too Baobab Mar 2016 #47
If I am a sock puppet, idiot or crook in your opinion, you really aren't interested in mine. n/t pampango Mar 2016 #48
What is it? is it as important as losing health care and education forever Baobab Mar 2016 #49
For the unneeded millionth time Funtatlaguy Mar 2016 #26
What about GATS? Baobab Mar 2016 #31
Of course. Orsino Mar 2016 #28
We waited weeks for Hill to concede to Obama. peace13 Mar 2016 #29
her breakdown? I don't know where this bullshit comes from. LOL. bettyellen Mar 2016 #53
She announced that she would be suspending her campaign less than 24 hours after the final primaries StevieM Mar 2016 #58
What did she do in 2008? stone space Mar 2016 #30
Endorse winetourdriver Mar 2016 #33
If course she would. Stupid question. Codeine Mar 2016 #37
Absolutely and unhesitatingly. And she would campaign for him. (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2016 #43
You may have to ask the Warden. /nt Marr Mar 2016 #44
How witty; please tell us the criminal statute she'll be convicted of. brooklynite Mar 2016 #55
What a silly question. Marr Mar 2016 #56
Zing! Can prisoners vote? n/t PonyUp Mar 2016 #61
Of course. Are you new to this or something? bettyellen Mar 2016 #52
Yes, no question. baldguy Mar 2016 #60
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