2016 Postmortem

libtodeath

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107. Once more I wonder if I logged into free republic by mistake.

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Fri Apr 1, 2016, 10:02 AM

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Newsflash: most people don't like huge tax increases. [View all] DanTex Apr 2016 OP

Because most of the Berniebros don't pay taxes yet. Their parents do. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #1

This is a fair point. MADem Apr 2016 #4

As a 68 year old Bernie supporter I suspect I am paying for you bro... Human101948 Apr 2016 #15

Your willing to pay 30% more taxes? BlueStateLib Apr 2016 #65

Seriously? This is the intellectual rigor of your argument? Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #80

Intellectual Rigor? It's an "are you still beating your wife" argument. kristopher Apr 2016 #84

That's only the income tax component, it doesn't include the payroll taxes. DanTex Apr 2016 #87

What? kristopher Apr 2016 #91

You didn't know that there's a payroll tax hike also in Bernie's plan? LOL. DanTex Apr 2016 #93

Huh? kristopher Apr 2016 #94

Yes, I checked it. Its a $1.61 hike apnu Apr 2016 #103

That's just one of the payroll tax hikes, the one that pays for family leave. DanTex Apr 2016 #105

Ok then, show me where this 30% number comes from. apnu Apr 2016 #120

A 68 year old has over already paid for medicare BlueStateLib Apr 2016 #97

Right, and should be retired Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #113

"You're", not "Your" HERVEPA Apr 2016 #89

Who is going to pay 30% more in taxes apnu Apr 2016 #99

Ssh. Facts don't fit the narrative they're creating... nt revbones Apr 2016 #117

Yes they do ... I just did BabyGirl 1SBM's taxes ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #37

That's BS bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #57

You're right, I probably don't pay much compared to you. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2016 #106

That's not entirely fair. Jbradshaw120 Apr 2016 #109

Actually, Bernie is wildly overestimating taxes needed. For example in the case of single payer, we Baobab Apr 2016 #114

lol Jefferson23 Apr 2016 #2

This is serious. Orsino Apr 2016 #21

Yep...lol. Jefferson23 Apr 2016 #24

man you hate bernie runaway hero Apr 2016 #3

? A fact - based objection (the numbers don't add up) is "hatred?" MADem Apr 2016 #6

Speaking of facts kristopher Apr 2016 #88

LOL--the only "impartial source" in that mishmash at the bottom is MADem Apr 2016 #124

I think he's a good man, with the right goals, and I don't think that the fantasy economic DanTex Apr 2016 #7

fair enough runaway hero Apr 2016 #36

170 Economists......and let's see there is that big wheel guy who thinks Bernie is on the bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #59

170 people who call themselves "economists". DanTex Apr 2016 #90

Sure. Most people use their field of practice in what they call themselves.. nt revbones Apr 2016 #118

World's Most Famous Economist Says Bernie Sanders Could "Change the Face of the Country" kristopher Apr 2016 #81

Maybe he can bring a huge ideological shift, although what is much more likely is that DanTex Apr 2016 #85

We can start small kristopher Apr 2016 #92

op has going in on him so much. runaway hero Apr 2016 #33

Newsflash: most agree that the wealthy should pay more. Orsino Apr 2016 #5

Bernie's plan raises taxes on the middle class as well. And like I said, that's even DanTex Apr 2016 #8

More than offset by lower healthcare "taxes," so the net effect is lower taxes. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #67

Under the fantasy scenario, maybe. Not for everyone of course. DanTex Apr 2016 #68

People who really believe a candidate can deliver on promises lives in a bubble. I love reading WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #108

To have Universal Health Care/Medicare For All?? Where do I sign up for higher taxes? KeepItReal Apr 2016 #69

Well, no, because the costs for Single Payer are much higher than Bernie lets on. DanTex Apr 2016 #70

ACA is a joke! Private health insurance is a scam and has been from DAY 1. KeepItReal Apr 2016 #79

You are right. apnu Apr 2016 #98

Stop being so damn selfish choie Apr 2016 #126

"free stuff" Armstead Apr 2016 #9

Another substance-free response. Fortunately the Democratic electorate is rejecting his DanTex Apr 2016 #12

"Substance free" is assuming that nothing can be adjusted and negotiated Armstead Apr 2016 #45

"Substance free" referred to your response. I said nothing about "free stuff" in the OP. DanTex Apr 2016 #50

yep, we shouldn't even realize that BETTER HEALTH CARE COSTS LESS IN OTHER OECD COUNTRIES.... Human101948 Apr 2016 #10

Wow... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #11

Math is not a right-wing smear. Fantasy economic projections are part of the right-wing DanTex Apr 2016 #14

Right... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #16

Math is not libertarian. DanTex Apr 2016 #23

Your OP has nothing to do with math and everything to do with perception floppyboo Apr 2016 #62

5.3% GDP growth over a decade is #berniemath. DanTex Apr 2016 #63

Can you explain? floppyboo Apr 2016 #71

Yes. Bernie's campaign has touted economic analyses that included outlandish DanTex Apr 2016 #78

ya, sounds like my sister floppyboo Apr 2016 #121

How does every other OECD country deliver better health care at lower prices? Human101948 Apr 2016 #17

Even the ones without Single Payer do, so simply switching to SP isn't going to fix that. DanTex Apr 2016 #22

However, by dragging your feet and protesting loudly you guarantee nothing will change... Human101948 Apr 2016 #31

Obamacare was already a huge change. Progress is possible, but not if it's based on fantasy. DanTex Apr 2016 #47

It is a jury rigged half measure that feeds the insurance and drug companies... Human101948 Apr 2016 #116

Yes, math.... kristopher Apr 2016 #96

Did I take a wrong turn to Free Republic??? Odin2005 Apr 2016 #13

Probably hrmbaja Apr 2016 #73

I've been paying healthy income taxes for the last 35 years, paying more taxes to make the country Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #18

As I said in the OP, I'm also willing to pay more taxes to make the country better. DanTex Apr 2016 #19

Your headline opposes tax hikes. Your entire theme is that you are not willing to pay more. Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #30

That's outright false. The headline says they are not popular, which is true. DanTex Apr 2016 #39

Odd... HumanityExperiment Apr 2016 #64

The dishonesty is the fantasy projections like 5.3% GDP growth, and the DanTex Apr 2016 #66

yeah math, about that... HumanityExperiment Apr 2016 #74

once you include the saving from signal payer healthcare the middle and lower classes.. awake Apr 2016 #20

That's only if you assume that Bernie's fantasy numbers on healthcare savings are realistic. DanTex Apr 2016 #27

"Fantasy numbers" sound like a Frank Luntz phrase... Human101948 Apr 2016 #38

Actually, "fantasy" and "magic asterisk" are terms that progressives have used for a while to DanTex Apr 2016 #83

Bernie didn't claim that... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #77

Bernie's campaign touted those projections, so he owns them now. DanTex Apr 2016 #82

You are not truthful about Friedman's analysis - it's valid and you know it's valid. kristopher Apr 2016 #111

Are there certain classes one needs to take to write like a Fox News "journalist?" TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #25

You tell me: ignoring math is standard practice at FOX. DanTex Apr 2016 #26

So is ignoring all forms of reality, pushing false and misleading OPs 24x7. TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #35

Yes, Bernie fans here are doing that on a number of fronts. DanTex Apr 2016 #42

It sure looks like one of the requirements of a FOX News "journalist" is a lack of reflection... TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #49

Your posts in this thread contain no math, they contain verbiage about math and words about numbers Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #41

That's true. The math has been done by people like Krugman and Romer. DanTex Apr 2016 #44

Snide comments out of a man who claims his rhetoric is math and is driven by a desire for low tax Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #53

You're getting silly now. I explicitly stated that I'd be happy paying more taxes. DanTex Apr 2016 #60

If you think the numbers on Bernie's plan are unrealistic forjusticethunders Apr 2016 #28

Vermont had a realistic plan ready to implement, but they balked when they DanTex Apr 2016 #32

Failed to answer the question put to you, just as you failed to address what I said to you about my Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #46

Are you kidding? I plainly answered: Vermont's plan was realistic. DanTex Apr 2016 #52

So Vermont's proposal is the only form of univerasl health care you have ever heard of? Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #58

The only realistic plan I've seen in the US. In foreign countries, costs are much lower for a lot DanTex Apr 2016 #61

Doomed! mymomwasright Apr 2016 #29

Fantasy math isn't going to make anything better. DanTex Apr 2016 #34

Frank Luntz would be bursting with pride to see you repeating that phrase like a Republican parrot Human101948 Apr 2016 #43

He'd be proud of Bernie's economic projections, that's for sure. Him and Paul Ryan. DanTex Apr 2016 #48

Yup. He's a walking and talking hrmbaja Apr 2016 #75

Is this today's meme Dan? EdwardBernays Apr 2016 #40

Pelosi will not let down ballot congressional candidates run on the Sanders platform Gothmog Apr 2016 #51

That's what Ronald Reagan and Rick Snyder say. Octafish Apr 2016 #54

Pew research begs to differ with the OP - care about taxes? 42%=not too much/not at all floppyboo Apr 2016 #55

Newsflash: most people don't like paying $500 for prescription drugs Kittycat Apr 2016 #56

Most people are fed up with the plutocracy that allows the mega-rich to go taxless. Zen Democrat Apr 2016 #72

Since I look at my insurance premiums as a "tax" imposed by insurance companies Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #76

Newsflash: Most people don't like posts with whopper lies that have been debunked many times HERVEPA Apr 2016 #86

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Yeh, right. You are such a shill. And a poor one at that. One note. HERVEPA Apr 2016 #100

Unfortunately, your ad hominem attacks don't affect the laws of mathematics. DanTex Apr 2016 #102

Fortunately your drivel does not affect the laws of economics HERVEPA Apr 2016 #115

Clinton's supporters and donors are the people who don't pay taxes because they put $ in caymans Flyingbird5066 Apr 2016 #101

I'm a Hillary donor, and I have no money in the Caymans. DanTex Apr 2016 #104

I agree with abortion rights and gay rights myself and have mixed feelings about affirmative action Flyingbird5066 Apr 2016 #110

Once more I wonder if I logged into free republic by mistake. libtodeath Apr 2016 #107

Clinton supporters often make me wonder that. Flyingbird5066 Apr 2016 #112

Pay attention, Dan, I'll explain what you really need to know WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #119

Translation Newkularblue Apr 2016 #122

Bernie is selling asuhornets Apr 2016 #123

Translation: America is so corrupt it couldn't... pat_k Apr 2016 #125