2016 Postmortem

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

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119. Pay attention, Dan, I'll explain what you really need to know

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 10:26 AM

Apr 2016

Hillary's camp wants more of the same, which means another Goldman Sachs Admin willing to cut pro-corporate deals that benefit the rich and your 401K (fuel the bubble) at the expense of the middle class.

Bernie's camp is calling "Bullshit" on more of the same and is seeking a redistribution of wealth comparable to the Great Compression.

There's a word for people like you who fail to see the big picture, it's myopic.

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Newsflash: most people don't like huge tax increases. [View all] DanTex Apr 2016 OP

Because most of the Berniebros don't pay taxes yet. Their parents do. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #1

This is a fair point. MADem Apr 2016 #4

As a 68 year old Bernie supporter I suspect I am paying for you bro... Human101948 Apr 2016 #15

Your willing to pay 30% more taxes? BlueStateLib Apr 2016 #65

Seriously? This is the intellectual rigor of your argument? Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #80

Intellectual Rigor? It's an "are you still beating your wife" argument. kristopher Apr 2016 #84

That's only the income tax component, it doesn't include the payroll taxes. DanTex Apr 2016 #87

What? kristopher Apr 2016 #91

You didn't know that there's a payroll tax hike also in Bernie's plan? LOL. DanTex Apr 2016 #93

Huh? kristopher Apr 2016 #94

Yes, I checked it. Its a $1.61 hike apnu Apr 2016 #103

That's just one of the payroll tax hikes, the one that pays for family leave. DanTex Apr 2016 #105

Ok then, show me where this 30% number comes from. apnu Apr 2016 #120

A 68 year old has over already paid for medicare BlueStateLib Apr 2016 #97

Right, and should be retired Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #113

"You're", not "Your" HERVEPA Apr 2016 #89

Who is going to pay 30% more in taxes apnu Apr 2016 #99

Ssh. Facts don't fit the narrative they're creating... nt revbones Apr 2016 #117

Yes they do ... I just did BabyGirl 1SBM's taxes ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #37

That's BS bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #57

You're right, I probably don't pay much compared to you. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2016 #106

That's not entirely fair. Jbradshaw120 Apr 2016 #109

Actually, Bernie is wildly overestimating taxes needed. For example in the case of single payer, we Baobab Apr 2016 #114

lol Jefferson23 Apr 2016 #2

This is serious. Orsino Apr 2016 #21

Yep...lol. Jefferson23 Apr 2016 #24

man you hate bernie runaway hero Apr 2016 #3

? A fact - based objection (the numbers don't add up) is "hatred?" MADem Apr 2016 #6

Speaking of facts kristopher Apr 2016 #88

LOL--the only "impartial source" in that mishmash at the bottom is MADem Apr 2016 #124

I think he's a good man, with the right goals, and I don't think that the fantasy economic DanTex Apr 2016 #7

fair enough runaway hero Apr 2016 #36

170 Economists......and let's see there is that big wheel guy who thinks Bernie is on the bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #59

170 people who call themselves "economists". DanTex Apr 2016 #90

Sure. Most people use their field of practice in what they call themselves.. nt revbones Apr 2016 #118

World's Most Famous Economist Says Bernie Sanders Could "Change the Face of the Country" kristopher Apr 2016 #81

Maybe he can bring a huge ideological shift, although what is much more likely is that DanTex Apr 2016 #85

We can start small kristopher Apr 2016 #92

op has going in on him so much. runaway hero Apr 2016 #33

Newsflash: most agree that the wealthy should pay more. Orsino Apr 2016 #5

Bernie's plan raises taxes on the middle class as well. And like I said, that's even DanTex Apr 2016 #8

More than offset by lower healthcare "taxes," so the net effect is lower taxes. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #67

Under the fantasy scenario, maybe. Not for everyone of course. DanTex Apr 2016 #68

People who really believe a candidate can deliver on promises lives in a bubble. I love reading WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #108

To have Universal Health Care/Medicare For All?? Where do I sign up for higher taxes? KeepItReal Apr 2016 #69

Well, no, because the costs for Single Payer are much higher than Bernie lets on. DanTex Apr 2016 #70

ACA is a joke! Private health insurance is a scam and has been from DAY 1. KeepItReal Apr 2016 #79

You are right. apnu Apr 2016 #98

Stop being so damn selfish choie Apr 2016 #126

"free stuff" Armstead Apr 2016 #9

Another substance-free response. Fortunately the Democratic electorate is rejecting his DanTex Apr 2016 #12

"Substance free" is assuming that nothing can be adjusted and negotiated Armstead Apr 2016 #45

"Substance free" referred to your response. I said nothing about "free stuff" in the OP. DanTex Apr 2016 #50

yep, we shouldn't even realize that BETTER HEALTH CARE COSTS LESS IN OTHER OECD COUNTRIES.... Human101948 Apr 2016 #10

Wow... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #11

Math is not a right-wing smear. Fantasy economic projections are part of the right-wing DanTex Apr 2016 #14

Right... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #16

Math is not libertarian. DanTex Apr 2016 #23

Your OP has nothing to do with math and everything to do with perception floppyboo Apr 2016 #62

5.3% GDP growth over a decade is #berniemath. DanTex Apr 2016 #63

Can you explain? floppyboo Apr 2016 #71

Yes. Bernie's campaign has touted economic analyses that included outlandish DanTex Apr 2016 #78

ya, sounds like my sister floppyboo Apr 2016 #121

How does every other OECD country deliver better health care at lower prices? Human101948 Apr 2016 #17

Even the ones without Single Payer do, so simply switching to SP isn't going to fix that. DanTex Apr 2016 #22

However, by dragging your feet and protesting loudly you guarantee nothing will change... Human101948 Apr 2016 #31

Obamacare was already a huge change. Progress is possible, but not if it's based on fantasy. DanTex Apr 2016 #47

It is a jury rigged half measure that feeds the insurance and drug companies... Human101948 Apr 2016 #116

Yes, math.... kristopher Apr 2016 #96

Did I take a wrong turn to Free Republic??? Odin2005 Apr 2016 #13

Probably hrmbaja Apr 2016 #73

I've been paying healthy income taxes for the last 35 years, paying more taxes to make the country Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #18

As I said in the OP, I'm also willing to pay more taxes to make the country better. DanTex Apr 2016 #19

Your headline opposes tax hikes. Your entire theme is that you are not willing to pay more. Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #30

That's outright false. The headline says they are not popular, which is true. DanTex Apr 2016 #39

Odd... HumanityExperiment Apr 2016 #64

The dishonesty is the fantasy projections like 5.3% GDP growth, and the DanTex Apr 2016 #66

yeah math, about that... HumanityExperiment Apr 2016 #74

once you include the saving from signal payer healthcare the middle and lower classes.. awake Apr 2016 #20

That's only if you assume that Bernie's fantasy numbers on healthcare savings are realistic. DanTex Apr 2016 #27

"Fantasy numbers" sound like a Frank Luntz phrase... Human101948 Apr 2016 #38

Actually, "fantasy" and "magic asterisk" are terms that progressives have used for a while to DanTex Apr 2016 #83

Bernie didn't claim that... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #77

Bernie's campaign touted those projections, so he owns them now. DanTex Apr 2016 #82

You are not truthful about Friedman's analysis - it's valid and you know it's valid. kristopher Apr 2016 #111

Are there certain classes one needs to take to write like a Fox News "journalist?" TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #25

You tell me: ignoring math is standard practice at FOX. DanTex Apr 2016 #26

So is ignoring all forms of reality, pushing false and misleading OPs 24x7. TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #35

Yes, Bernie fans here are doing that on a number of fronts. DanTex Apr 2016 #42

It sure looks like one of the requirements of a FOX News "journalist" is a lack of reflection... TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #49

Your posts in this thread contain no math, they contain verbiage about math and words about numbers Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #41

That's true. The math has been done by people like Krugman and Romer. DanTex Apr 2016 #44

Snide comments out of a man who claims his rhetoric is math and is driven by a desire for low tax Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #53

You're getting silly now. I explicitly stated that I'd be happy paying more taxes. DanTex Apr 2016 #60

If you think the numbers on Bernie's plan are unrealistic forjusticethunders Apr 2016 #28

Vermont had a realistic plan ready to implement, but they balked when they DanTex Apr 2016 #32

Failed to answer the question put to you, just as you failed to address what I said to you about my Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #46

Are you kidding? I plainly answered: Vermont's plan was realistic. DanTex Apr 2016 #52

So Vermont's proposal is the only form of univerasl health care you have ever heard of? Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #58

The only realistic plan I've seen in the US. In foreign countries, costs are much lower for a lot DanTex Apr 2016 #61

Doomed! mymomwasright Apr 2016 #29

Fantasy math isn't going to make anything better. DanTex Apr 2016 #34

Frank Luntz would be bursting with pride to see you repeating that phrase like a Republican parrot Human101948 Apr 2016 #43

He'd be proud of Bernie's economic projections, that's for sure. Him and Paul Ryan. DanTex Apr 2016 #48

Yup. He's a walking and talking hrmbaja Apr 2016 #75

Is this today's meme Dan? EdwardBernays Apr 2016 #40

Pelosi will not let down ballot congressional candidates run on the Sanders platform Gothmog Apr 2016 #51

That's what Ronald Reagan and Rick Snyder say. Octafish Apr 2016 #54

Pew research begs to differ with the OP - care about taxes? 42%=not too much/not at all floppyboo Apr 2016 #55

Newsflash: most people don't like paying $500 for prescription drugs Kittycat Apr 2016 #56

Most people are fed up with the plutocracy that allows the mega-rich to go taxless. Zen Democrat Apr 2016 #72

Since I look at my insurance premiums as a "tax" imposed by insurance companies Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #76

Newsflash: Most people don't like posts with whopper lies that have been debunked many times HERVEPA Apr 2016 #86

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Yeh, right. You are such a shill. And a poor one at that. One note. HERVEPA Apr 2016 #100

Unfortunately, your ad hominem attacks don't affect the laws of mathematics. DanTex Apr 2016 #102

Fortunately your drivel does not affect the laws of economics HERVEPA Apr 2016 #115

Clinton's supporters and donors are the people who don't pay taxes because they put $ in caymans Flyingbird5066 Apr 2016 #101

I'm a Hillary donor, and I have no money in the Caymans. DanTex Apr 2016 #104

I agree with abortion rights and gay rights myself and have mixed feelings about affirmative action Flyingbird5066 Apr 2016 #110

Once more I wonder if I logged into free republic by mistake. libtodeath Apr 2016 #107

Clinton supporters often make me wonder that. Flyingbird5066 Apr 2016 #112

Pay attention, Dan, I'll explain what you really need to know WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #119

Translation Newkularblue Apr 2016 #122

Bernie is selling asuhornets Apr 2016 #123

Translation: America is so corrupt it couldn't... pat_k Apr 2016 #125