2016 Postmortem

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14. It seems team Clinton thinks so.

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Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:34 AM

Apr 2016

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Let's be clear about what happened in Nevada on Saturday [View all] Perogie Apr 2016 OP

So it's okay to disenfranchise voters when it's convenient I got it Dem2 Apr 2016 #1

How were people disenfranchised? Perogie Apr 2016 #6

So you can change an election after the fact due to schedules and other issues? Dem2 Apr 2016 #8

Again Hillary delegates didn't show up Perogie Apr 2016 #12

Yes this caucus system is just awesome huh? Dem2 Apr 2016 #15

Again no one denied their vote Perogie Apr 2016 #33

So taking away somebody's vote after the fact because it's single person had to work that day Dem2 Apr 2016 #37

No, it's never OK. So we need to get rid of the caucuses. libdem4life Apr 2016 #65

Well I'm all for changing the system Dem2 Apr 2016 #67

Nor have I, but I'm sure it's front and center on Bernie's mind libdem4life Apr 2016 #122

I wasn't a delegate because I couldn't guarantee my presence. They should have done the roguevalley Apr 2016 #71

Very true. That's the salient point...they didn't show. n/t libdem4life Apr 2016 #124

The Sanders campaign didn't invent the caucus system. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #54

They volunteered to be delegates. It's a volunteer role. So if they didn't show up that's sad but it Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #98

People who showed up to the caucus are now being disenfranchised Dem2 Apr 2016 #99

I was told right on DU I shouldn't have a right to vote in primaries because I'm not a dues paying Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #100

"I agree with your stated goal of trying to make sure everyone has an equal vote." Dem2 Apr 2016 #101

I suspect we wouldn't be hearing complaints on the caucus system if Clinton were sailing to victory Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #103

That's fine, I don't disagree Dem2 Apr 2016 #105

I totally agree with you that the 3-tiered Aerows Apr 2016 #109

Why they don't take the vote total from the caucus and TheFarseer Apr 2016 #127

Your guess is as good as mine, my friend. Aerows Apr 2016 #128

Hillary's delegates didn't bother to show up and vote, Bernie did. That's how it works Autumn Apr 2016 #25

So how many times do people have to show up before their vote actually counts? Dem2 Apr 2016 #28

Apparently 3 times in Nevada. Perogie Apr 2016 #36

Well I think it's unfair Dem2 Apr 2016 #40

Are you talking about the superdelegates? MadBadger Apr 2016 #110

When you are a delegate you have to show up. the whole process is explained to you. Autumn Apr 2016 #51

Look I cannot justify this process Dem2 Apr 2016 #57

It's the system we have and that's what we deal with. Are you in a caucus state? Autumn Apr 2016 #68

As you Clinton supporters TM99 Apr 2016 #108

The people that justified this are those who chose whopis01 Apr 2016 #117

I am sure you are proud of yourself for applauding the disenfranchisement of the most vulnerable DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #18

They could have participated easily, they just had to get off their asses and go vote Autumn Apr 2016 #35

You seem to be reading more into what I say. Perogie Apr 2016 #42

My post speaks for itself. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #45

Again you make a false accusation about me Perogie Apr 2016 #50

Hillary Clinton won the original voting at the caucus site 70-30 per the Ralston Reports. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #61

That's how a caucus works. Perogie Apr 2016 #74

The rules and intentional gaming of the system DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #79

Can you provide how the system was "gamed" Perogie Apr 2016 #112

Hmmm DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #113

That's what I did when I had a minimum wage job in LA Perogie Apr 2016 #114

Maybe we can put an end to our mini war and enjoy a moment of levity. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #115

I Was There. Clinton's Delegates Lack Enthusiasm. Sanders Delegates Were Uncontrollable. srobert Apr 2016 #85

They disenfranchised themselves. 90% of life is just showing up, no? reformist2 Apr 2016 #13

Yeah okay so all the other issues with the voter disenfranchisement by the Republicans Dem2 Apr 2016 #23

I'm against voter disenfranchisement. But what can you do if the delegates don't show up?? reformist2 Apr 2016 #30

Well I'm glad the will of the people no longer matter to you Dem2 Apr 2016 #34

The will of the people did matter, those people decided not to show up. Autumn Apr 2016 #38

Wow so you are promoting corruption Dem2 Apr 2016 #41

How can it be corruption when they didn't bother to show up and vote? They knew they had to. Autumn Apr 2016 #52

How do you know the reason that they didn't show up? Dem2 Apr 2016 #63

I think it would be all over the news if they were being prevented from returning. Autumn Apr 2016 #75

" I think it's a shit form of doling out delegates and it sucks." Dem2 Apr 2016 #76

Voting is a right and it should be easy for every citizen to vote, that we have this stupid Autumn Apr 2016 #81

I couldn't agree with you more Dem2 Apr 2016 #87

I'd love to hear your explanation of how Hillary delegates not bothering to show up Kentonio Apr 2016 #58

Personally I think the entire system of multi-tiered caucuses is totally wrong and undemocratic, Dem2 Apr 2016 #59

I do agree, personally I think the entire thing should be run as one person one vote nationally. Kentonio Apr 2016 #66

Yes I agree too Dem2 Apr 2016 #70

Which is fair. Kentonio Apr 2016 #72

So I assume beedle Apr 2016 #89

Super delegates are a whole 'nother ball of wax Dem2 Apr 2016 #91

So do you think voters should be rounded up at katsy Apr 2016 #43

Well, the idea that I am blaming Bernie is completely ridiculous Dem2 Apr 2016 #48

Agree katsy Apr 2016 #64

given that bernie supporters understood and finished the system the way its been designed and roguevalley Apr 2016 #77

Of course it's on HRC volunteers. katsy Apr 2016 #86

As do super delegates beedle Apr 2016 #90

It seems team Clinton thinks so. smiley Apr 2016 #14

Although you got a lot of guff over this rock Apr 2016 #55

I don't feel like I got a lot of guff Dem2 Apr 2016 #73

Quite correct rock Apr 2016 #80

they disenfranchised themselves. I didn't become a delegate in Alaska because I couldn't guarantee roguevalley Apr 2016 #69

You must be talking about the DNC and the AZ Primary. nt NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #94

In fact, yes. Dem2 Apr 2016 #96

Bernie didn't cheat. He lost the popular vote but he has more delgates. He just gamed the system. N/ Henhouse Apr 2016 #2

Call it what you want, I call it rank hypocrisy Dem2 Apr 2016 #5

I agree but I like watching the Berner's twist themselves it knots over it... N/T Henhouse Apr 2016 #11

Are you talking about your faux outrage? Perogie Apr 2016 #16

Call it what you want Dem2 Apr 2016 #20

How did he game the system? Perogie Apr 2016 #9

Exactly..he lost the votes but he took advantage of the system to earn a few more delegates. n/t Henhouse Apr 2016 #17

If you mean he made sure his delegates showed up Perogie Apr 2016 #21

I'm not outraged. I think this whole kerfuffle makes Bernie and his supporters look like hypocrites Henhouse Apr 2016 #22

no. what it is really boils down to embarrassment on HRC supporters that they didn't have game to roguevalley Apr 2016 #78

"HRC just fucked up". She still won the majority of votes in the actual election. Henhouse Apr 2016 #84

As you are an insider to the DNC, could you help us out... Matt_R Apr 2016 #92

Sorry...I haven't commented on the caucus system. You must be replying to someone else..n/t Henhouse Apr 2016 #95

NO, I was replying to you. Matt_R Apr 2016 #107

So Senator Sanders'... tonedevil Apr 2016 #97

Showing up for the job you were elected to do is hardly taking advantage of the system whopis01 Apr 2016 #118

he didn't "take advantage", he just did what he was supposed to do which was dana_b Apr 2016 #120

Oh, FFS. Tying up super delegates before a single vote has been cast - THAT is gaming the system. djean111 Apr 2016 #31

That IS gaming the system. SammyWinstonJack Apr 2016 #123

He didnt do anythign quakerboy Apr 2016 #56

Stop with the evidence Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #3

Why is this not on the Sunday news shows? ViseGrip Apr 2016 #4

"notice went out to delegates wrongly saying they didn't need to show up today" riversedge Apr 2016 #26

That notice went out to Sanders people too Perogie Apr 2016 #46

People tend to believe what officials say. It was WRONG to send this memo out riversedge Apr 2016 #60

Then you should take it up with the Party... mak3cats Apr 2016 #82

I already have and hope you have also. This dirty trick reminds of how Cruz send out a riversedge Apr 2016 #83

Don't worry it just backfired on DWS and Hillary. Matt_R Apr 2016 #93

There is very little coverage of it online BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #47

"Why is it that Hillary can't motivate her assigned delegates to show up?" SheenaR Apr 2016 #7

I doubt hotel/casino wait staff were at their Summerlin mansions yesterday DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #19

I doubt they should have been able to remain on the clock SheenaR Apr 2016 #24

Are you saying that Bernie doesn't have any hotel/casino workers as delegates? Perogie Apr 2016 #29

My response DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #39

Ooh! Ooh! I KNOW!!! MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #10

Snort! CharlotteVale Apr 2016 #27

"Why is it that Hillary can't motivate her assigned delegates to show up?" KPN Apr 2016 #32

Does anyone here remember what happened in Iowa a few weeks ago Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #44

Yes and I love your cartography nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #102

What bothered me about Nevada was the revelation Harry Reid had called people - "bosses" - Vinca Apr 2016 #49

Didn't Reid pull some strings to get casino workers time off to vote last time? Generic Other Apr 2016 #53

Yes he did Perogie Apr 2016 #62

"Hillary can't motivate her assigned delegates to show up" Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #88

What happened was morally wrong and you snark are Hilliary delegates!! Shameful riversedge Apr 2016 #104

I agree with you it was morally wrong for Hillary delegates to fail in their duty to show up Fumesucker Apr 2016 #121

GIven Clinton history, Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #132

This is such a great point...but of course, Bernie supporters would be blamed. CharlotteVale Apr 2016 #111

I will show up to the polls to not vote for her. She's a disaster. PonyUp Apr 2016 #116

I'm not motivated by her lies. Heckuva job, Hillary. SammyWinstonJack Apr 2016 #125

And I was just banned from the Hillary group for pointing out this fact. kiva Apr 2016 #106

The banning option is too easy for sensitive souls. It's not very "democratic," if you ask me. reformist2 Apr 2016 #119

Why didn't they call Hillary HQ if they were confused? TheFarseer Apr 2016 #126

Simple: SCantiGOP Apr 2016 #129

Benjamin Harrison Perogie Apr 2016 #131

Most of the delegates who didn't show were those who caucused on their employer's time clock eridani Apr 2016 #130