2016 Postmortem

Autumn

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51. When you are a delegate you have to show up. the whole process is explained to you.

Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:00 AM

Apr 2016

Hillary's delegates knew what they had to do, they chose not to do it. I think your rub is that just like Hillary's delegates were informed of the process, Bernie's delegates were informed of the process and the difference is Bernie's delegates gave a shit enough about the process to show up and make sure their vote counted.

As for job schedule? It says a lot about the system that when they caucused the first time Harry had called in a favor and Casino workers were bused in from work to caucus I wonder how may of Hillary's delegates that didn't show up were Casino workers? I'm betting a lot were. You won't get any argument form me on the caucus system. I hate it. This last one was my last. It's too hard on many of us older people with mobility issues and it leaves out younger people who can't spend the time to do it for works reason or family reasons. People can get a little time off work to vote but most bosses will not give a full day off to caucus. It's a crap system.

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Let's be clear about what happened in Nevada on Saturday [View all] Perogie Apr 2016 OP

So it's okay to disenfranchise voters when it's convenient I got it Dem2 Apr 2016 #1

How were people disenfranchised? Perogie Apr 2016 #6

So you can change an election after the fact due to schedules and other issues? Dem2 Apr 2016 #8

Again Hillary delegates didn't show up Perogie Apr 2016 #12

Yes this caucus system is just awesome huh? Dem2 Apr 2016 #15

Again no one denied their vote Perogie Apr 2016 #33

So taking away somebody's vote after the fact because it's single person had to work that day Dem2 Apr 2016 #37

No, it's never OK. So we need to get rid of the caucuses. libdem4life Apr 2016 #65

Well I'm all for changing the system Dem2 Apr 2016 #67

Nor have I, but I'm sure it's front and center on Bernie's mind libdem4life Apr 2016 #122

I wasn't a delegate because I couldn't guarantee my presence. They should have done the roguevalley Apr 2016 #71

Very true. That's the salient point...they didn't show. n/t libdem4life Apr 2016 #124

The Sanders campaign didn't invent the caucus system. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #54

They volunteered to be delegates. It's a volunteer role. So if they didn't show up that's sad but it Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #98

People who showed up to the caucus are now being disenfranchised Dem2 Apr 2016 #99

I was told right on DU I shouldn't have a right to vote in primaries because I'm not a dues paying Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #100

"I agree with your stated goal of trying to make sure everyone has an equal vote." Dem2 Apr 2016 #101

I suspect we wouldn't be hearing complaints on the caucus system if Clinton were sailing to victory Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #103

That's fine, I don't disagree Dem2 Apr 2016 #105

I totally agree with you that the 3-tiered Aerows Apr 2016 #109

Why they don't take the vote total from the caucus and TheFarseer Apr 2016 #127

Your guess is as good as mine, my friend. Aerows Apr 2016 #128

Hillary's delegates didn't bother to show up and vote, Bernie did. That's how it works Autumn Apr 2016 #25

So how many times do people have to show up before their vote actually counts? Dem2 Apr 2016 #28

Apparently 3 times in Nevada. Perogie Apr 2016 #36

Well I think it's unfair Dem2 Apr 2016 #40

Are you talking about the superdelegates? MadBadger Apr 2016 #110

When you are a delegate you have to show up. the whole process is explained to you. Autumn Apr 2016 #51

Look I cannot justify this process Dem2 Apr 2016 #57

It's the system we have and that's what we deal with. Are you in a caucus state? Autumn Apr 2016 #68

As you Clinton supporters TM99 Apr 2016 #108

The people that justified this are those who chose whopis01 Apr 2016 #117

I am sure you are proud of yourself for applauding the disenfranchisement of the most vulnerable DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #18

They could have participated easily, they just had to get off their asses and go vote Autumn Apr 2016 #35

You seem to be reading more into what I say. Perogie Apr 2016 #42

My post speaks for itself. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #45

Again you make a false accusation about me Perogie Apr 2016 #50

Hillary Clinton won the original voting at the caucus site 70-30 per the Ralston Reports. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #61

That's how a caucus works. Perogie Apr 2016 #74

The rules and intentional gaming of the system DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #79

Can you provide how the system was "gamed" Perogie Apr 2016 #112

Hmmm DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #113

That's what I did when I had a minimum wage job in LA Perogie Apr 2016 #114

Maybe we can put an end to our mini war and enjoy a moment of levity. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #115

I Was There. Clinton's Delegates Lack Enthusiasm. Sanders Delegates Were Uncontrollable. srobert Apr 2016 #85

They disenfranchised themselves. 90% of life is just showing up, no? reformist2 Apr 2016 #13

Yeah okay so all the other issues with the voter disenfranchisement by the Republicans Dem2 Apr 2016 #23

I'm against voter disenfranchisement. But what can you do if the delegates don't show up?? reformist2 Apr 2016 #30

Well I'm glad the will of the people no longer matter to you Dem2 Apr 2016 #34

The will of the people did matter, those people decided not to show up. Autumn Apr 2016 #38

Wow so you are promoting corruption Dem2 Apr 2016 #41

How can it be corruption when they didn't bother to show up and vote? They knew they had to. Autumn Apr 2016 #52

How do you know the reason that they didn't show up? Dem2 Apr 2016 #63

I think it would be all over the news if they were being prevented from returning. Autumn Apr 2016 #75

" I think it's a shit form of doling out delegates and it sucks." Dem2 Apr 2016 #76

Voting is a right and it should be easy for every citizen to vote, that we have this stupid Autumn Apr 2016 #81

I couldn't agree with you more Dem2 Apr 2016 #87

I'd love to hear your explanation of how Hillary delegates not bothering to show up Kentonio Apr 2016 #58

Personally I think the entire system of multi-tiered caucuses is totally wrong and undemocratic, Dem2 Apr 2016 #59

I do agree, personally I think the entire thing should be run as one person one vote nationally. Kentonio Apr 2016 #66

Yes I agree too Dem2 Apr 2016 #70

Which is fair. Kentonio Apr 2016 #72

So I assume beedle Apr 2016 #89

Super delegates are a whole 'nother ball of wax Dem2 Apr 2016 #91

So do you think voters should be rounded up at katsy Apr 2016 #43

Well, the idea that I am blaming Bernie is completely ridiculous Dem2 Apr 2016 #48

Agree katsy Apr 2016 #64

given that bernie supporters understood and finished the system the way its been designed and roguevalley Apr 2016 #77

Of course it's on HRC volunteers. katsy Apr 2016 #86

As do super delegates beedle Apr 2016 #90

It seems team Clinton thinks so. smiley Apr 2016 #14

Although you got a lot of guff over this rock Apr 2016 #55

I don't feel like I got a lot of guff Dem2 Apr 2016 #73

Quite correct rock Apr 2016 #80

they disenfranchised themselves. I didn't become a delegate in Alaska because I couldn't guarantee roguevalley Apr 2016 #69

You must be talking about the DNC and the AZ Primary. nt NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #94

In fact, yes. Dem2 Apr 2016 #96

Bernie didn't cheat. He lost the popular vote but he has more delgates. He just gamed the system. N/ Henhouse Apr 2016 #2

Call it what you want, I call it rank hypocrisy Dem2 Apr 2016 #5

I agree but I like watching the Berner's twist themselves it knots over it... N/T Henhouse Apr 2016 #11

Are you talking about your faux outrage? Perogie Apr 2016 #16

Call it what you want Dem2 Apr 2016 #20

How did he game the system? Perogie Apr 2016 #9

Exactly..he lost the votes but he took advantage of the system to earn a few more delegates. n/t Henhouse Apr 2016 #17

If you mean he made sure his delegates showed up Perogie Apr 2016 #21

I'm not outraged. I think this whole kerfuffle makes Bernie and his supporters look like hypocrites Henhouse Apr 2016 #22

no. what it is really boils down to embarrassment on HRC supporters that they didn't have game to roguevalley Apr 2016 #78

"HRC just fucked up". She still won the majority of votes in the actual election. Henhouse Apr 2016 #84

As you are an insider to the DNC, could you help us out... Matt_R Apr 2016 #92

Sorry...I haven't commented on the caucus system. You must be replying to someone else..n/t Henhouse Apr 2016 #95

NO, I was replying to you. Matt_R Apr 2016 #107

So Senator Sanders'... tonedevil Apr 2016 #97

Showing up for the job you were elected to do is hardly taking advantage of the system whopis01 Apr 2016 #118

he didn't "take advantage", he just did what he was supposed to do which was dana_b Apr 2016 #120

Oh, FFS. Tying up super delegates before a single vote has been cast - THAT is gaming the system. djean111 Apr 2016 #31

That IS gaming the system. SammyWinstonJack Apr 2016 #123

He didnt do anythign quakerboy Apr 2016 #56

Stop with the evidence Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #3

Why is this not on the Sunday news shows? ViseGrip Apr 2016 #4

"notice went out to delegates wrongly saying they didn't need to show up today" riversedge Apr 2016 #26

That notice went out to Sanders people too Perogie Apr 2016 #46

People tend to believe what officials say. It was WRONG to send this memo out riversedge Apr 2016 #60

Then you should take it up with the Party... mak3cats Apr 2016 #82

I already have and hope you have also. This dirty trick reminds of how Cruz send out a riversedge Apr 2016 #83

Don't worry it just backfired on DWS and Hillary. Matt_R Apr 2016 #93

There is very little coverage of it online BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #47

"Why is it that Hillary can't motivate her assigned delegates to show up?" SheenaR Apr 2016 #7

I doubt hotel/casino wait staff were at their Summerlin mansions yesterday DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #19

I doubt they should have been able to remain on the clock SheenaR Apr 2016 #24

Are you saying that Bernie doesn't have any hotel/casino workers as delegates? Perogie Apr 2016 #29

My response DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #39

Ooh! Ooh! I KNOW!!! MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #10

Snort! CharlotteVale Apr 2016 #27

"Why is it that Hillary can't motivate her assigned delegates to show up?" KPN Apr 2016 #32

Does anyone here remember what happened in Iowa a few weeks ago Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #44

Yes and I love your cartography nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #102

What bothered me about Nevada was the revelation Harry Reid had called people - "bosses" - Vinca Apr 2016 #49

Didn't Reid pull some strings to get casino workers time off to vote last time? Generic Other Apr 2016 #53

Yes he did Perogie Apr 2016 #62

"Hillary can't motivate her assigned delegates to show up" Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #88

What happened was morally wrong and you snark are Hilliary delegates!! Shameful riversedge Apr 2016 #104

I agree with you it was morally wrong for Hillary delegates to fail in their duty to show up Fumesucker Apr 2016 #121

GIven Clinton history, Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #132

This is such a great point...but of course, Bernie supporters would be blamed. CharlotteVale Apr 2016 #111

I will show up to the polls to not vote for her. She's a disaster. PonyUp Apr 2016 #116

I'm not motivated by her lies. Heckuva job, Hillary. SammyWinstonJack Apr 2016 #125

And I was just banned from the Hillary group for pointing out this fact. kiva Apr 2016 #106

The banning option is too easy for sensitive souls. It's not very "democratic," if you ask me. reformist2 Apr 2016 #119

Why didn't they call Hillary HQ if they were confused? TheFarseer Apr 2016 #126

Simple: SCantiGOP Apr 2016 #129

Benjamin Harrison Perogie Apr 2016 #131

Most of the delegates who didn't show were those who caucused on their employer's time clock eridani Apr 2016 #130