2016 Postmortem

nadinbrzezinski

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90. It is always good to ask them

Reply to TheDormouse (Reply #86)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 05:40 PM

Apr 2016

For the record, I will be utterly surprised if Obama issues a pardon...legacy.

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If Hillary gets indicted, should Obama just pardon her? [View all] TheDormouse Apr 2016 OP

No. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #1

I am still broiling with rage about Nixon's pardon. If he roguevalley Apr 2016 #23

Agree, a pardon would give the GE to the GOP bigbrother05 Apr 2016 #58

Not if Bernie is the nominee. SheilaT Apr 2016 #81

No he should not Politicalboi Apr 2016 #2

Not if he cares about his legacy. Punkingal Apr 2016 #3

When it comes out Hill was running play-for-play out of the SOS yourpaljoey Apr 2016 #18

No Politicalboi Apr 2016 #61

wow yourpaljoey Apr 2016 #113

He would be pardoning her for a law he championed! CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #106

I am not one who believes Obama won't say go ahead if the FBI recommends an indictment. Punkingal Apr 2016 #135

Yes. daleanime Apr 2016 #4

If Clinton gets cleared by the DOJ, should all of the Indictment Fairy clappers geek tragedy Apr 2016 #5

when u say cleared, TheDormouse Apr 2016 #7

the DOJ does not find people innocent. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #11

but staff blab to the press as anonymous sources; it would come out TheDormouse Apr 2016 #22

bottom line is that the people pushing the indictment angle here geek tragedy Apr 2016 #27

we'll have to agree to disagree TheDormouse Apr 2016 #66

In other words, she is a Democrat, so she didn't do anything wrong. -none Apr 2016 #87

when people are citing wingnut publications to support their argument geek tragedy Apr 2016 #89

Only by people who struggled mightily in Logic 101. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #95

There is a big gap between acceptable behavior and grounds for prosecution karynnj Apr 2016 #69

no doubt she'll face some criticism for what everyone geek tragedy Apr 2016 #72

Certain people here dont care whether she is guilty of something or not, their Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #101

That, and they want to defeat her so badly they've decided that the old enemy of their geek tragedy Apr 2016 #103

And if we do get a clear unsealed indictment nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #63

you seem to be contemplating every scenario geek tragedy Apr 2016 #74

Reporters do that you know nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #76

what criminal statute do you think she violated? nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #92

A few that have to do with handling of classified material nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #93

that's not an answer. a prosecutor must be able to meet each element of a specific geek tragedy Apr 2016 #96

You might want to go here and start reading nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #97

thank you for proving my point--you cited two Republicans. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #98

And the Dept of State FOIA reading room nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #99

I proved that I don't rely on my Republicans to form my viewpoint on this. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #100

Alas I RELIED ON THE FUCKING EMAILS nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #105

temper temper geek tragedy Apr 2016 #107

Once again here nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #109

that's not how it works when you're making a claim. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #112

I pointed to you to the PRIMARY SOURCE MATERIAL nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #114

I will not do the work to try to disprove your allegation which is false geek tragedy Apr 2016 #116

here nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #117

the Reuters article is at least second-hand evidence, so that is geek tragedy Apr 2016 #121

Yeah becuase we cannot bother with the primary evidence nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #123

GOP created the email story and they are promoting it everywhere. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #127

Bull. Hillary created it. 840high Apr 2016 #130

So the evil GOP put the server in her home? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #136

yes, they are all part of the vast right-wing conspiracy TheDormouse Apr 2016 #138

You haven't answered her question yet...and she asked you first. Chan790 Apr 2016 #122

He should just pardon her Depaysement Apr 2016 #6

Yes philosslayer Apr 2016 #8

No. Hillary is not above the law. Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #9

but if she gets indicted, Obama can un-indict her--it's in the Constitution TheDormouse Apr 2016 #14

And... Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #19

Ford won 48% of the vote in 1976 TheDormouse Apr 2016 #55

As discussed below... Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #59

To be analagous, Nixon would have to be the one running - pardoned by Ford nt karynnj Apr 2016 #125

Not quite nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #53

did Nixon admit guilt? did Marc Rich admit guilt? TheDormouse Apr 2016 #54

Yes, deep in the paperwork nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #56

I wasnt familiar with Burdick v US before now; which brings up a new question TheDormouse Apr 2016 #86

It is always good to ask them nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #90

Legacy, yes. Optimism Apr 2016 #108

We will and aparently that was part of the deal for her to step down in 2008 nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #120

Indictment Fairy please hear me rbrnmw Apr 2016 #10

lol TheDormouse Apr 2016 #12

You can't pardon someone unless they've been convicted. nt nichomachus Apr 2016 #13

I'm not sure about that, as Ford pardoned Nixon only a month after the latter's resignation Tarc Apr 2016 #25

Not so. Ford pardoned Nixon before he was indicted. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #29

what was Nixon convicted of? what was Marc Rich convicted of? TheDormouse Apr 2016 #30

Poppy Bush pardoned Cap Weinberger before he went to trial Fumesucker Apr 2016 #91

One of the bigger loopholes in the US Constitution Califonz Apr 2016 #126

in this particular election, if she is indicted dana_b Apr 2016 #15

She's too corrupt. Which is why she broke this law and had her own server. Zira Apr 2016 #21

Hillary Clinton will never drop out. Skwmom Apr 2016 #26

I agree n/t dana_b Apr 2016 #38

i suspect if HRC is indicted the superdelegates will decommit 0rganism Apr 2016 #39

No. Zira Apr 2016 #16

I -DO- believe in fairies! brooklynite Apr 2016 #17

I'll trade him one HRC pardon for a Chelsea Manning pardon. grntuscarora Apr 2016 #20

Chelsea should be pardoned and HRC would never pardon him. Zira Apr 2016 #31

Do you think Obama will pardon Chelsea? grntuscarora Apr 2016 #37

This message was self-deleted by its author Zira Apr 2016 #45

Excuse me. Chelsea Manning should be pardoned. Wrong Chelsea in my post. Zira Apr 2016 #104

HYPOCRISY OF Hillary: Hillary Clinton Denounced Manning and Defended the prosecution WHILE having Zira Apr 2016 #43

If he does, he'll open a can of worms tularetom Apr 2016 #24

you're going to be so disappointed when there's no indictment nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #28

I think most people believe the odds of our government doing anything about the email, the Skwmom Apr 2016 #70

maybe you're just wrong about her committing crimes? geek tragedy Apr 2016 #73

There's not enough time left in his term. And they know it. TheDormouse Apr 2016 #32

I'm not so sure about that tularetom Apr 2016 #42

no question that Bill helped him win his second term TheDormouse Apr 2016 #47

hell no! Merryland Apr 2016 #33

She has 'suffered enough' B2G Apr 2016 #34

violins... Merryland Apr 2016 #41

So have we. agracie Apr 2016 #52

+100 eom Karma13612 Apr 2016 #118

Not if he wants a positive legacy. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #35

The perception of wrongdoing is often as damaging is the reality of wrongdoing. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #36

Posts like this only serve to rile up discord among various Dems. LonePirate Apr 2016 #40

it's a real concern; we are not just imagining the FBI investigation TheDormouse Apr 2016 #46

It's chum in the water for the hungry sharks. LonePirate Apr 2016 #49

And some of us are for that pesky thing nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #60

Except the OP has moved on to presumed guilt. It's not about the truth any longer. LonePirate Apr 2016 #65

Taking a pardon implies guilt nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #68

Um, so you agree that the original post presumes guilt? LonePirate Apr 2016 #71

A pardon implies that (And would be the top end of this) nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #75

I certainly agree there will never be a televised trial. Have to wait & see for anything else. LonePirate Apr 2016 #84

Of course we do nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #85

He should pardon Don Siegelman first n/t dragonfly301 Apr 2016 #44

Absolutly the correct thing to do Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #119

No (nt) bigwillq Apr 2016 #48

No. I'd prefer a stick in the eye. agracie Apr 2016 #50

yep 840high Apr 2016 #131

Recommended -- serious discussion of a serious subject. senz Apr 2016 #51

It would be premature and, if it happened now,would likely hurt her especially if she is the nominee karynnj Apr 2016 #57

She would need to be convicted before a pardon could happen. Philly-Union-Man Apr 2016 #62

speaking strategically, or as a matter of law? TheDormouse Apr 2016 #64

Yeah... I remember when Marc Rich was convicted, and Nixon before him. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #77

Not true. Ford pardoned Nixon before he was ever indicted. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #88

I might consider commuting her sentence, but not a pardon. RDANGELO Apr 2016 #67

I believe Hillary will negotiate a deal Samantha Apr 2016 #78

I hope you don't mind... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #79

No. We must hold.our public servants to the well known standards of the law. Half-Century Man Apr 2016 #80

Is running a shadow government out of your basement illegal? n/t Holly_Hobby Apr 2016 #82

No. Maedhros Apr 2016 #83

Oh look! Another newbie stirring shit with right-wing talking points! Lil Missy Apr 2016 #94

Hillary? Her email - damn it 840high Apr 2016 #133

Sure. Contingient on bowing out of the race. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #102

Pardon doesn't matter. Indictment not necessary. This is crippling to a GE election. Bad risk. highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #110

I'm not sure. Jarqui Apr 2016 #111

Of course not. Karma13612 Apr 2016 #115

Ok, who left the back door open? Bobbie Jo Apr 2016 #124

Any way you spin it, Hillary in the GE is a losing proposition. Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #128

absolutely not AgerolanAmerican Apr 2016 #129

+100 840high Apr 2016 #134

Keep hoping....... Beacool Apr 2016 #132

Would Hillary pardon Edward Snowdon? PADemD Apr 2016 #137

Fuck no. 99Forever Apr 2016 #139