2016 Postmortem

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50. And I'm still cynical enough to vote for that

Reply to uponit7771 (Reply #46)

Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:14 AM

Apr 2016

The electorate is in a weird mood this cycle, and wants to be lied to (OK, "told what they want to hear&quot

. He's better at that.

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"How do you go about [breaking up too-big banks]?" Bernie: "I don't know...I have not studied..." [View all] KitSileya Apr 2016 OP

It was never a real proposal, but it polls well Recursion Apr 2016 #1

But it's one of the pillars of his platform. KitSileya Apr 2016 #2

It's 2016; that's what people want Recursion Apr 2016 #13

I'm thinking they want someone to validate their anger and speak to what scares them not change it uponit7771 Apr 2016 #52

I think that's exactly right Recursion Apr 2016 #53

who is that in your picture there? wendylaroux Apr 2016 #179

I believe that your post is full of nonsense. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #58

Stellar Reply inchhigh Apr 2016 #65

He stated three different understandings of what could be done about breaking up the banks Arneoker Apr 2016 #190

Thread winner!! Scuba Apr 2016 #67

Except he thinks the President can tell the federal reserve what to do. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #70

Don't look now, but bvf Apr 2016 #91

So, the largest breakup of a too-big-to-fail bank to date Recursion Apr 2016 #85

Did you mean to post that to someone else? thesquanderer Apr 2016 #92

No, I was calling out your nonsense Recursion Apr 2016 #94

It seems like you're not reading. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #99

Yes, it actually *is* a bank, since 2010 or so. Did you not know that? Recursion Apr 2016 #101

No, it is not a bank, as of 2013. Did you not know that? thesquanderer Apr 2016 #105

Read your own article: that was the result of this decision being adjudicated Recursion Apr 2016 #148

The case that Met Life just won was filed in 2015. After they were no longer a bank. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #169

Incredible replies in this thread. Bravo. JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #205

It's worth noting bvf Apr 2016 #93

Mine was cogent Recursion Apr 2016 #95

That isn't the central pillar of his campaign kristopher Apr 2016 #129

Nope, I'm a Sanders supporter. I voted for him, not Clinton. Recursion Apr 2016 #133

Sure. All Sanders supporters spend 100% of their time trashing him. kristopher Apr 2016 #139

More should. More Clinton supporters should criticize Clinton Recursion Apr 2016 #141

Translation - Go Hillary! kristopher Apr 2016 #143

Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #144

Sanders has been 100% consistent in his positions for 40 years. kristopher Apr 2016 #159

Who the hell holds a single view for 40 years? That in itself is troubling Recursion Apr 2016 #164

Someone who's been right to begin with bvf Apr 2016 #188

most are clueless SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #215

This reply should be an OP rosesaylavee Apr 2016 #210

No person can be an expert in every field. Bernie may not know much about banking. Cal33 Apr 2016 #71

He's not just not an expert kennetha Apr 2016 #160

So like Trumpo the Clown Arneoker Apr 2016 #192

I guarantee you, he knows all about it, HE IS JUST BEING WAY TOO NICE TO CLINTON BY NOT BRINGING IT Baobab Apr 2016 #183

Yeap, good marketing for mostly non PoC votes. uponit7771 Apr 2016 #28

Pretty much, yeah: he's trying to sell white workers on going back to the economics of the 1960s Recursion Apr 2016 #41

+1, I said before that he's alarming on economic insecurity doesn't work with those who are already uponit7771 Apr 2016 #46

And I'm still cynical enough to vote for that Recursion Apr 2016 #50

Do you think Roosevelt knew all the ins and outs of the 'banking holiday?' Or... Human101948 Apr 2016 #56

Yeah, in fact, I think FDR knew what he was actually talking about Recursion Apr 2016 #59

You have zero evidence to support your argument... Human101948 Apr 2016 #73

"Break up the banks, says Minneapolis Fed chief" think Apr 2016 #96

And I'd ask what he means too Recursion Apr 2016 #100

Bernie knows this is a complex subject and it's not easy to describe. You're posts in this thread think Apr 2016 #102

They do: This is a complex subject, and if Sanders agrees with that he should treat it that way Recursion Apr 2016 #103

Please do go lobby for O'Malley. Maybe you'll quit spreading so much FUD about Sanders then.... think Apr 2016 #106

You just lack vision DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #107

So, a man can basically make stuff up that he thinks people will "love", and that's okay? George II Apr 2016 #111

here is what you need to do- back out of the Whirled Trad e org. which Pres. Clinton signed in 1994 Baobab Apr 2016 #180

in other words it was bullshit. no big ohheckyeah Apr 2016 #186

Holy crap. Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #3

The whole interview is very interesting. KitSileya Apr 2016 #4

This surprised me; he's usually much better at avoiding this Recursion Apr 2016 #43

I think that may be right BeyondGeography Apr 2016 #61

I was surprised by how detailed the questioning was. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #108

Very impressed...Now I'm interested in seeing the HRC interview BeyondGeography Apr 2016 #134

It seemed more like a deposition. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #137

He was probably shocked BeyondGeography Apr 2016 #145

Do you think the Post will endorse Bernie? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #156

Haha...was thinking about that this AM BeyondGeography Apr 2016 #161

I hope they do. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #162

If he can't answer that question in his sleep geek tragedy Apr 2016 #69

Literally until today I would have argued against that Recursion Apr 2016 #74

Obvious question is: was he ever more than a protest candidate? geek tragedy Apr 2016 #76

Oh people are very, very good at convincing themselves of things Recursion Apr 2016 #78

He wants to win, but does he really want the job? geek tragedy Apr 2016 #81

Fair point. Just like 99% of his supporters don't actually want him to govern, I guess Recursion Apr 2016 #82

Totally Agree with you kennetha Apr 2016 #158

No that isn't what his campaign is premised on. kristopher Apr 2016 #132

Again, I have no idea why lying about my primary vote makes you feel better Recursion Apr 2016 #135

It isn't a mystery; it is self evident kristopher Apr 2016 #142

NO HE SETS GOALS...and if elected will hire highly capable experts to carry them out. Armstead Apr 2016 #138

What? He won't even name his goals here Recursion Apr 2016 #140

He mentions his goals all the time. Armstead Apr 2016 #147

Yeah I need more than that Recursion Apr 2016 #149

I haven't time for circular arguments Armstead Apr 2016 #151

Well, it's not. He's got my vote, as the lesser evil, but I don't trust the man whatsoever Recursion Apr 2016 #154

Just like Donald Trump? kennetha Apr 2016 #163

NO just like he did as Mayor of Burlington Armstead Apr 2016 #167

Does Bernie have to know how to make gasoline if he wants to fill up his car too? Bonobo Apr 2016 #5

He hasn't studied the issue. He doesn't know the current situation. KitSileya Apr 2016 #6

Respectfully, you really have no idea what he knows or does not know. Bonobo Apr 2016 #8

I go by what he says. He says he hasn't studied it as an answer to a direct question. KitSileya Apr 2016 #10

Your OP was filled with a comedic level of bolding to give a false impression. nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #11

I bolded to make it easier to see what supported my opinion. KitSileya Apr 2016 #12

Banks are institutions. They can be broken up. Bonobo Apr 2016 #14

Yes, but you can see that isn't what this is. He literally has no idea what "break up the banks" Recursion Apr 2016 #16

He has a will to break up banks. That is enough for me at present. nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #21

And Donald Trump has a will to build a wall and keep all muslims out kennetha Apr 2016 #165

he knows who to hire and how to get things done Armstead Apr 2016 #146

And Trumpo has built hotels Arneoker Apr 2016 #194

Apples and oranges Armstead Apr 2016 #197

He said he didn't know... wtf?! uponit7771 Apr 2016 #48

In fairness he's been much better at dodging this question until now Recursion Apr 2016 #51

I know it. This is a gotcha OP. If Bernie layed out a 99% complete plan they would rip on him for GoneFishin Apr 2016 #26

There's nothing gotcha about a " what's your plan" question that he's had more than a year to form uponit7771 Apr 2016 #38

FFS wake up. He was asked what a "broken up" banking sector would look like Recursion Apr 2016 #55

Seriously? Asking him to clarify the details of his signature slogan is no more of a "gotcha" Tanuki Apr 2016 #86

LOL treestar Apr 2016 #87

Like Sarah Palins gotcha questions? He should do better redstateblues Apr 2016 #128

Yes, this is a gotcha OP in as much as no response will satisfy those whose only goal is to smear. GoneFishin Apr 2016 #168

So when it comes to specifics he'll just give it to someone else like Trump?! Really?!.. sigh SMFH uponit7771 Apr 2016 #29

It is very bad for a candidate when you treestar Apr 2016 #77

, what happened with Metropolitan Life?? Who are they? Should he have studied them? Joob Apr 2016 #7

Met life is an insurance company that was deemed too big to fail. KitSileya Apr 2016 #9

Thank you for this, Kit! Cha Apr 2016 #15

OK, so Bernie needs to formulate a plan. But monopolies have been broken up before... reformist2 Apr 2016 #17

Bernie's had a freakin year to formulate a plan!! He's not serious about "revolution" uponit7771 Apr 2016 #31

Please read these. Like him or not, he know how to get things done. Armstead Apr 2016 #150

Thanks for this post. murielm99 Apr 2016 #18

It�s been done before and coyote Apr 2016 #19

Its been done before with people who know what they're doing, not someone who has no plan uponit7771 Apr 2016 #32

All you need is a posse and some baseball bats nt firebrand80 Apr 2016 #20

Don't forget the podium bird, need that guy to peck em to death uponit7771 Apr 2016 #34

kicking this important post rbrnmw Apr 2016 #22

That could be where VP Warren steps in. n/t woodsprite Apr 2016 #23

That's what I'm thinking. Eom Karma13612 Apr 2016 #24

Put down the pipe .... salinsky Apr 2016 #35

Who knows that the biggest banks aren't even in the US and wouldn't have stopped the 08 crash uponit7771 Apr 2016 #39

Why would she want that job? treestar Apr 2016 #84

Bernie's plan doesn't make sense - the biggest banks are not in the US!!! Sancho Apr 2016 #25

Those aren't the banks that brought the USA to its knees in 2007. bvar22 Apr 2016 #184

MORE PROOF!! Sanders is NOT ... NOT serious about "revolution" one bit uponit7771 Apr 2016 #27

I read this last night. It's shocking. It's not that he hasn't had plenty of time to study up on seaglass Apr 2016 #30

A little memorized blather on the issue should put the bedwetters at ease. reformist2 Apr 2016 #40

Clearly it is true that there are many who are not interested in details, they are mostly seaglass Apr 2016 #47

It's not "shocking" to me at least; I've never thought there was a "there" there with Sanders Recursion Apr 2016 #57

Put it this way. I read his College for All bill and though there are many questions and the seaglass Apr 2016 #66

Sounds like he would hit the ground walking in circles BeyondGeography Apr 2016 #33

Not ready for prime time .... salinsky Apr 2016 #36

Yeah--they Feeeeeeeeeeeel the Berrrrrrrrrrrrn! We will all end being Bernt toast! riversedge Apr 2016 #45

We'll all be Bern victims uponit7771 Apr 2016 #54

Sanders panders to those looking for an easy fix. He doesn't have a magic wand. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #37

But they have a podium bird ... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #42

Not surprised. Sanders has,all along been vague about HOW to accomplish his goals-like the riversedge Apr 2016 #44

It's not even that; here Sanders isn't even clear what the goal is Recursion Apr 2016 #49

He should not be president. He can't do the job geek tragedy Apr 2016 #60

Except he isn't saying that inchhigh Apr 2016 #62

Bernie Sanders is a fraud CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #63

Right on cue . . . the slur du jour! Thanks. The others have gotten so boring. Vinca Apr 2016 #64

His own words are a slur? athena Apr 2016 #125

obama should have broken them up. wendylaroux Apr 2016 #176

He's a fraud. Thankfully he will never be President. He doesn't have the livetohike Apr 2016 #68

Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #170

It is stunning treestar Apr 2016 #72

It is not just stunning but devastating Recursion Apr 2016 #75

So basically, he doesn't know how to ride his one-trick-pony of an issue? Tarc Apr 2016 #79

Well, to me that is at least surprising, because I thought he *did* know how to ride it Recursion Apr 2016 #80

Really? Here is Hillary offering a pile of false bullshit about basic history she lived through: Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #116

What does Clinton have to do with this? I didn't vote for her Recursion Apr 2016 #117

Uh, Presidential candidates who can't answer simple questions is the category Alex. Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #121

Which is why I'm not a Clinton supporter Recursion Apr 2016 #122

Because it's easier than answering the real question. nt WhiteTara Apr 2016 #171

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2016 #172

It's a talking point that tests well and that's about it. ucrdem Apr 2016 #83

You think you're sly Perogie Apr 2016 #88

Isn't that one of his main proposals? mcar Apr 2016 #89

And now a musical interlude... LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #90

He's as much a snake oil salesman as Cruz. beaglelover Apr 2016 #97

And this is one of the biggest problems I have with him. His ideas are great! ecstatic Apr 2016 #98

Earlier on he was asked what the first change he would make would be Recursion Apr 2016 #104

"Wait until people get to know him" George II Apr 2016 #109

truly bizarre bigtree Apr 2016 #110

K&R. nt UtahLib Apr 2016 #112

What B.S. Bernie is smart enough to bring together a smart team to put together a plan. n/t Skwmom Apr 2016 #113

OMG! No ideas on how financial institutions work. What powers the president has. Laser102 Apr 2016 #114

He can push to reinstate Glass-Steagall My Good Babushka Apr 2016 #115

ah .... good ole Ma Bell .... memories Hiraeth Apr 2016 #155

Secretary of Treasury Elizabeth Warren could make it happen. lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #118

The lack of knowledge is stunning KingFlorez Apr 2016 #119

This interview is devastating. athena Apr 2016 #120

MY God he doesn't remember the details of a subway ride, Can Clinton even drive a damn car? Armstead Apr 2016 #127

Details? athena Apr 2016 #130

Well Sanders just lost my vote Armstead Apr 2016 #131

So, straight-up lies don't lose your vote? (nt) Recursion Apr 2016 #152

yes,that's why I voted for Sanders. nt wendylaroux Apr 2016 #181

Like he really has a reason to lie about riding a subway. Jeeze Louise Armstead Apr 2016 #204

As a Bernie supporter this is somewhat disturbing. HOWEVER, it is early, and it is something Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #123

This is his main issue. athena Apr 2016 #124

It's not his "main issue". It's one of about 10 issues that he has pushed Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #175

Bernie is not ready for prime time redstateblues Apr 2016 #126

He's a prime time demagogue. kennetha Apr 2016 #166

you're a disgusting troll wendylaroux Apr 2016 #177

If elected he will do what he did in Burlington. Hire the best experts. Armstead Apr 2016 #136

Trump is saying the same thing!!!! Not ready for prime time at all uponit7771 Apr 2016 #173

It's no worry AgerolanAmerican Apr 2016 #153

Rainbows and unicorns for everybody! workinclasszero Apr 2016 #157

Grueul and stale bread for everybody Armstead Apr 2016 #202

I can safely predict that Hillary Clinton will get the Daily News' endorsement brooklynite Apr 2016 #174

Does it matter how their lines of business CanadaexPat Apr 2016 #178

Recognizing a Problem is the first step. Hillary Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #182

How Much Does Bernie Sanders Know About Policy? Gothmog Apr 2016 #185

Unlike Clinton who doesn't give a rats ass about the issue Armstead Apr 2016 #201

9 things Bernie Sanders should�ve known about but didn�t in that Daily News interview Gothmog Apr 2016 #207

He's talking about what matters that Democrats have avoided for years Armstead Apr 2016 #209

Actually, Bernie is correct Carolator Apr 2016 #187

No he's not, he's wrong not to have any idea by now uponit7771 Apr 2016 #193

Well, that's like Carolator Apr 2016 #196

A closed mind is a terrible thing to waste Armstead Apr 2016 #200

Anyone interested in reading this interview without cut an paste food fighting can go here... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #189

And, while you're at it... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #195

Some people would have a hard time with Dick and Jane Armstead Apr 2016 #199

Yes, Bernie Sanders Knows Something About Breaking Up Banks - NY Times Nanjeanne Apr 2016 #191

Clinton -- "Things are just ducky as they are. No need to change anything." Armstead Apr 2016 #198

He hasn't a clue how to do this stuff. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #203

Someone admitting they need to do research felix_numinous Apr 2016 #206

Start studying BS. Cha Apr 2016 #208

Beats "Cut it out" libdem4life Apr 2016 #211

audio + transcript elleng Apr 2016 #212

KNR Lucinda Apr 2016 #213

"I don't know" What the ever loving hell?? Number23 Apr 2016 #214

That interview is something else BainsBane Apr 2016 #216

YUP. Historic NY Apr 2016 #217