2016 Postmortem

pinebox

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298. I have to laugh

Tue Apr 5, 2016, 03:05 PM

Apr 2016

at how you cite Obama and yet side with Hillary.

You call us ideologues? I call us progressives who believe that corporate Dems are THEE problem. See, it's like this; Republicans will always be against progressives but Dems have moved so far right that Reagan now fits under their banner. Remember that battle cry? "Reagan would be a Dem by today's standards!".

The ONLY reason we can't get shit done is because of people like Hillary & her supporters are truly scared of change and are comfortable with the status quo and therefor defend it.

Please, enough with your party purity bullshit.
Issues & people > any political party.

Obama and Dems have a wide open tent? Sure, like it was so open when Hillary made her recent comments about abortion. It's open for those who are rich and are ties to Wall Street & Walmart. See the 89 Dems who voted to gut SNAP.

That's my story & I'm sticking to it.

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Hey DNC, we are big enough to be a third party... [View all] Playinghardball Mar 2016 OP

Heil President Trump metroins Mar 2016 #1

No Sanders is not that popular: He appeals to be people that want free college! lewebley3 Mar 2016 #16

Reagan couldn't have said it better! Beowulf Mar 2016 #31

Their is no such thing as free college: someone has to pay lewebley3 Mar 2016 #134

Yes. Beowulf Mar 2016 #172

So is free money is popular: There are not votes in Senate for it or free lewebley3 Mar 2016 #268

Well you're the one using the term "free college"... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #205

AS financial transaction tax would pay for it n/t eridani Mar 2016 #224

He usess the word free for a reason: to attract people lewebley3 Mar 2016 #254

He uses the PHRASE "tuition free"... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #260

Free is what young people who want college hear. lewebley3 Mar 2016 #263

Do you want more innovation, more ideas realized? PyaarRevolution Mar 2016 #270

Yes, and the Clinton's did deliver on all helping people colleges: pell grants etc lewebley3 Mar 2016 #271

The Clintons delivered Pell Grants on what planet? dr60omg Mar 2016 #280

You need to go the lib: and look up the Clinton budgets they helped the middle class: lewebley3 Mar 2016 #282

Oh, the horror! ljm2002 Mar 2016 #272

A proposal that has gone nowwhere in the Senate: and will not go anywhere lewebley3 Mar 2016 #274

And what kind of dickhead would deny them this simple wish? I mean, besides Republicans? DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #287

Its not a simple wish at all: that is why Sanders is a fraud: He is an empty suit lewebley3 Apr 2016 #292

You really have no idea what you are talking about. Nobody says free, because Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #302

Wolf Bitzer; Quoted Sanders at the Debate: he promised everyone free college lewebley3 Apr 2016 #307

NO, tuition free which means it is paid for thru taxes like other civilized nations. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #308

"He talks about tuition-free public colleges and universities. " MADem Apr 2016 #286

+1 rock Apr 2016 #306

Democrats for the Oligarchy! Eom noiretextatique Mar 2016 #240

Dem is are for the people: Sanders for free handouts: lewebley3 Mar 2016 #253

I for full sentence DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #289

Democrats are not for Oligarchy: that is the GOP party lewebley3 Mar 2016 #278

The GOP are for every Ollgarchy: You are just repeating. Sanders propaganda lewebley3 Apr 2016 #309

Not this argument again coyote Mar 2016 #250

Who is we: The middle class can't pay and the GOP won't pay lewebley3 Mar 2016 #252

Spelling actually does count in posts about higher education. I'm standing by that one. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #288

American people are angry about the poor education in primary schools: lewebley3 Apr 2016 #291

Hmmm mindem Apr 2016 #301

Thanks Rush. Good to know. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #48

You would jump on HIllary for fake promises lewebley3 Mar 2016 #149

The "free stuff" right wing meme lives on here at DU. Thanks for dumping on college students. think Mar 2016 #60

its already free squirecam Mar 2016 #195

Free? You mean like the protection mega corporations get from the US military all around the world? think Mar 2016 #197

and? squirecam Mar 2016 #201

Yes. And over 8% of vets are currently homeless. We don't do enough for our vets. If we're willing think Mar 2016 #206

okay... squirecam Mar 2016 #210

IT IS NOT FREE. WE VETS GAVE UP LIFE, LIMB AND OUR TIME TO SERVE. IT WAS NEVER FREE. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #232

Ok for the very first time on this site from me - Mother Of Four Mar 2016 #249

point still applies squirecam Mar 2016 #258

Obviously you've never served - Mother Of Four Mar 2016 #261

You made no points civilian. Your time for service in exchange of for college is in essence barter. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #269

Would it burst your bubble if I said I have $0 college debt and yet want Sander's tuition-free JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #67

+1 Matariki Mar 2016 #89

Yep. I actually never had college debt so as a millenial "bernie bro" I throw a real wrench JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #152

There are no votes for free college in the Senate: I want free money too: lewebley3 Mar 2016 #140

And your real agenda shows its... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #207

And amending things counts also. -none Mar 2016 #214

Me too. It's a Republican right wing philosophy to think that everything in life should be GoneFishin Mar 2016 #216

They always, and I mean fucking always have more money for weapons, but they make up GoneFishin Mar 2016 #217

Yeah, yeah. Shadowflash Mar 2016 #70

Where do you live? I lived all my life in CA and our public colleges and Universities were free! bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #82

Yes, I remember when that was! BuelahWitch Mar 2016 #196

Oh, you mean free college like we had before and like many advanced nations have? pdsimdars Mar 2016 #74

Socialist counties: and the College was never free: tax payers paid lewebley3 Mar 2016 #132

Yes, we understand how taxes work. We're saying free at the time of study. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #153

What a policy wonk you are! frylock Mar 2016 #182

I'm too old to go to college so what you gonna say to me bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #80

Your dawn to nice old grandpas: Also you are never told to learn lewebley3 Mar 2016 #124

Sanders has received more votes from voters under 30 than Clinton and Trump combined. obamneycare Mar 2016 #81

Mosty white males lewebley3 Mar 2016 #121

Don't discourage great ideas. Hortensis Mar 2016 #102

If Hillary were giving Sanders promise you would call her a liar lewebley3 Mar 2016 #119

I don't know what that means, but Hortensis Mar 2016 #136

Sanders people done just that for Hillary being a party Dem lewebley3 Mar 2016 #137

Yes, they did and do. And as a result, they Hortensis Mar 2016 #192

I hope most Hillary supporters are more literate than you appear to be... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #208

And the jury is in.... Matt_in_STL Mar 2016 #242

Thanks for letting me know... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #259

Its not ideal: its a Sanders fraudulent promise: that the he is using lewebley3 Apr 2016 #294

Education without Spirochete Mar 2016 #106

The Clinton's know how to grow the economy and pull the country out of Debt lewebley3 Mar 2016 #117

Oh really Carolina Mar 2016 #139

Yes: Really: History is that they did it: 22m jobs: 7.4m out of proverty lewebley3 Mar 2016 #141

More into Carolina Mar 2016 #145

Clinton budget 1993 ended poverty for most American: Bush put American lewebley3 Mar 2016 #146

Sure Carolina Mar 2016 #150

Just fact: You can check numbers: The Clinton Adm was one of the most lewebley3 Mar 2016 #151

I know the history Carolina Mar 2016 #173

Thank you TrueDemVA Mar 2016 #213

No lewbley Glass-Stegall was one o Clintons hallmarks dr60omg Mar 2016 #283

No, it is not a hallmark of Clinton's: Its only a hallmark to left wing tea baggers: lewebley3 Mar 2016 #285

You ever hear of the tech boom? frylock Mar 2016 #184

Obama made the bulk of Bush's tax cuts PERMANENT... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #211

Obama worked for deal that was best for the counrty: Obama won somethings too! lewebley3 Mar 2016 #264

You said... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #273

Bottom line Obama raised taxes on the rich : that makes him progressive lewebley3 Mar 2016 #275

...for the 1%. KPN Mar 2016 #218

Heavy debt is not good for anyone: lewebley3 Mar 2016 #144

No, likes debt: but Sanders making false promises that he cannot deliver of free college: lewebley3 Apr 2016 #295

Another Rand Paul supporter who likes Hillary! pinebox Mar 2016 #107

I am Dem I support only Dem's: Hillary is the best leader for the job lewebley3 Mar 2016 #118

Bullshit. Own it. I just showed you how you align with Rand Paul. pinebox Mar 2016 #168

Have voted Dem and worked for Dem's since I was 18: never vote otherwise lewebley3 Mar 2016 #255

Doesn't matter, you spout off RW talking points. Maybe you "evolved" like Hillary. pinebox Mar 2016 #256

Wrong: Liberal Dem and have worked hard getting progressive caucus elected lewebley3 Mar 2016 #267

I have to laugh pinebox Apr 2016 #298

NO: I am Dem: and I only support Dem's: Hillary's they only choice lewebley3 Apr 2016 #296

Got any more Freeper talking points for us? How much more WAR and CLIMATE CHANGE do you want Lorien Mar 2016 #166

How many aircraft carriers do we have now? DemocracyDirect Mar 2016 #226

Say hi to Dave Brock when you get back to the office. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #293

Moi, je sais...Tout ça, c'est de la foutaise. Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #21

it sure is DrDan Mar 2016 #55

N'est-ce pas, mon cher docteur ! Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #68

American Only! This be America! ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #156

Just agreeing with the good doctor! LOL! Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #164

Why were you talking about me??? 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #174

Conspiracy alert, conspiracy alert! LOL! Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #179

My response to these "concerned" people is, generally, ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #181

"Paranoia strikes deep. Into your life it will creep..." Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #183

Especially in those of hateful seed and hidden deeds. 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #185

+1 ! Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #186

The DNC runs a corrupt, rigged primary Beowulf Mar 2016 #43

Be Gone!!!!! asuhornets Mar 2016 #49

Not surprising LiberalLovinLug Mar 2016 #108

Hillary is winning asuhornets Mar 2016 #111

I can't wait to link to this post when she loses in the GE. frylock Mar 2016 #187

so u not voting for her? n/t asuhornets Mar 2016 #199

Well if that's your attitude when the GE rolls around... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #212

I don't wish for anyone asuhornets Mar 2016 #219

Qualified for what? Maybe the bad judgement Hall of Fame pinebox Mar 2016 #233

Stop repeating asuhornets Mar 2016 #234

Quit denying reality pinebox Mar 2016 #241

Talking about running a 3rd party is a spoiler... metroins Mar 2016 #65

Why do you think I'm only referring to Arizona? Beowulf Mar 2016 #167

Welcome to the American election system metroins Mar 2016 #171

Evidence? Renew Deal Mar 2016 #103

Open your eyes. Beowulf Mar 2016 #169

So you made it up Renew Deal Mar 2016 #175

Yes, that's right. Beowulf Mar 2016 #194

The Democrats helped put him where he is today. They may as well own it out right. TalkingDog Mar 2016 #71

The Democrats can easily beat Trump metroins Mar 2016 #76

Clinton as a nominee = president Trump. basselope Mar 2016 #125

Any Democrat can beat Trump n/t metroins Mar 2016 #158

Sadly, no. basselope Mar 2016 #161

Please elaborate on such game. metroins Mar 2016 #163

It's called winning the primary. basselope Mar 2016 #180

!!!! riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #209

The stunts in AZ have ENSURED a win for Trump if Clinton steals the nomination Lorien Mar 2016 #143

GOP Secretary of State metroins Mar 2016 #159

Keep in mind there are also a lot of people trying decide BETWEEN Bernie and Trump. basselope Mar 2016 #165

yes, exactly amborin Mar 2016 #266

I don't believe you should blame Sanders supporters monicaangela Mar 2016 #154

Do you see me blaming Sanders supporters? metroins Mar 2016 #160

I could have sworn you said Heil President Trump monicaangela Mar 2016 #220

I think we are witnessing NowSam Mar 2016 #2

the Democratic Socialists! New Earth Mar 2016 #4

FYI, they already exist and would LOVE to have your support. Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #28

I'm on board n/t SheenaR Mar 2016 #37

They obviously need new members...your membership would be welcome, I'm sure. Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #50

Condescension Aside SheenaR Mar 2016 #123

Their "political praxis", as Cornell West so aptly says, is admirable. Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #135

You should smile. I certainly am. Bubzer Mar 2016 #41

Good gawd... SoapBox Mar 2016 #54

And it's going to get worse... Bubzer Mar 2016 #57

Hey, thanks for the heads up! I love juror N°7's comment... Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #58

DSA SoapBox Mar 2016 #42

Sounds like a really viable, vibrant organization... Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #77

Social Democrats is perfectly descriptive. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #6

Social Democrats, Democrats, Republicans, Conservative Republicans (Trump's camp?) blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #176

Yup! SoapBox Mar 2016 #9

I don't know if I agree that the GOP will be gone. stillwaiting Mar 2016 #19

Wrong: Dem party is getting strong: and more liberal things are going to get done lewebley3 Mar 2016 #22

ROFL revbones Mar 2016 #26

You were saying something about intelligent and respectful discourse... DanTex Mar 2016 #99

As shown, that's quite hard given the comment I was responding to... nt revbones Mar 2016 #112

I can tell how much of a struggle it must have been for you. DanTex Mar 2016 #114

Also, I wasn't claiming to be looking for "political discourse" in that comment, revbones Mar 2016 #122

Probably a good call. Stick to the smilies. DanTex Mar 2016 #129

Yeah, learned my lesson about responding to posts that aren't worth more than that... nt revbones Mar 2016 #148

Oh my gawd! SoapBox Mar 2016 #39

Right after her re-election in 2020 frylock Mar 2016 #191

Ignore... litlbilly Mar 2016 #44

If you" Ignore" why did you reply: you don't make sense lewebley3 Mar 2016 #127

OMFG. (nt) CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #45

Oh! Bjornsdotter Mar 2016 #51

yup eom artyteacher Mar 2016 #105

Comedy gold! frylock Mar 2016 #190

Gotta hand it to you, you never give up. SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #193

I am like Hillary I am loyal Dem: We don't throw tempers: We fight on! lewebley3 Mar 2016 #265

Well hey, Wasserman-Schultz and Clinton both have shot that in the foot. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #281

No, they have not shot themselves in the foot: Only Sanders people think that nonsense lewebley3 Mar 2016 #284

The central value of the new liberal party is democracy. senz Mar 2016 #29

+1000000 SoapBox Mar 2016 #35

Progressive Populist Party. :) RiverLover Mar 2016 #72

It's about time! budkin Mar 2016 #38

Careful. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #3

Good point. dchill Mar 2016 #8

I can already heard the "Nader" dogwhistles from the Weathervane camp. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #236

Ouch. True enough to be a look at the future. jwirr Mar 2016 #5

Jury results are in! SoapBox Mar 2016 #7

Pleasure to serve on a jury with you, SoapBox! senz Mar 2016 #14

Absolutely! SoapBox Mar 2016 #62

This is a site for Democrats. social democrats. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #15

Some charmer alerted on your OP senz Mar 2016 #10

Some CHARMER... SoapBox Mar 2016 #13

Carry on ... In_The_Wind Mar 2016 #11

Sweet of you to format it for ease of reading. senz Mar 2016 #17

I've been posting jury results for years. In_The_Wind Mar 2016 #147

Best of luck! zappaman Mar 2016 #12

Same to you and your party of aging, increasingly out of touch, zombies whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #20

Fortunately, for the DU splinter group, an alternate infrastructure is ALREADY in existence... Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #91

I think we will see that, in my lifetime. Nature abhors a vacuum, a vacuum has been created Autumn Mar 2016 #18

Thank you Autmn! SoapBox Mar 2016 #33

I think it will be VERY soon (nt) Autumn Colors Mar 2016 #128

So Bernie wins the primary/caucus.. and its time to run the general.. Peacetrain Mar 2016 #23

His future party already exists... Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #95

Go for it, already! Bobbie Jo Mar 2016 #24

The fracking corporatists who demand my vote Yuugal Mar 2016 #96

FINE! Bobbie Jo Mar 2016 #98

After the convention, after the convention ... (nt) Autumn Colors Mar 2016 #133

Why wait? Bobbie Jo Mar 2016 #138

I'm keeping my fingers crossed. bobbobbins01 Mar 2016 #25

Bernocrats? Playinghardball Mar 2016 #30

Don't alienate those who might cross over from the right, though Autumn Colors Mar 2016 #130

....... sufrommich Mar 2016 #27

the sanders crowd reveals its true self nt msongs Mar 2016 #32

I knew it all along workinclasszero Mar 2016 #86

You wanna really make noise against the DNC? DinahMoeHum Mar 2016 #34

That's a start and a worthy cause, but this is bigger than her. senz Mar 2016 #64

Mhm SheenaR Mar 2016 #36

third party.. HughLefty1 Mar 2016 #40

I have also advocated a 4 candidate general election BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #47

Electoral college. dogman Mar 2016 #52

If Hillary is the candidate and loses the general randr Mar 2016 #46

So this is a TOS violation IMO. Agschmid Mar 2016 #53

Look up thread,it passed a jury. Do what I did,send sufrommich Mar 2016 #56

The GOP thanks you. nt Chichiri Mar 2016 #59

Bernie always was a third party wasn't he? fun n serious Mar 2016 #61

TOS OKNancy Mar 2016 #63

Friendly suggestion?? Bobbie Jo Mar 2016 #93

Hillary is our conservative opponent BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #97

Oh my alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #66

Yikes ... salinsky Mar 2016 #69

Bernie poll-tested all his platforms, to make sure they were popular among Millennials. CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #73

Wow, what a ringing endorsement of the status quo. Maedhros Mar 2016 #83

The only way to challenge the status quo is to actually vote hack89 Mar 2016 #87

Right back at you. CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #88

Jill Stein is better than Bernie and she can't get any traction. Even Bernie knew he needed to run seaglass Mar 2016 #75

Bernie only gives voice to what we already know. He is important only FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #110

Hillary is losing up to 85% of all millenials, the dnc, thirdwayers etc, are all but fking dead. litlbilly Mar 2016 #188

And the fact that none of the Hill Shills can or wont see that is just amazing to me. litlbilly Mar 2016 #189

That is too bad. It appears they aren't voting in big numbers. That doesn't bode well seaglass Mar 2016 #200

really? look at all the caucus states. they are showing up in record numbers. litlbilly Mar 2016 #203

Huge numbers of primariers in my state Hydra Mar 2016 #222

By all means, ignore us! Maedhros Apr 2016 #303

Now, if only you can figure out how to get to the polls, we might be afraid brooklynite Mar 2016 #78

Go for it, I didn't like your ball anyways. giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #79

I beg to differ KingFlorez Mar 2016 #84

It will be a coalition of the entire left, in solidarity with Greens and other progressive parties Zorra Mar 2016 #116

ADIOS MUCHACOS......LOL Trust Buster Mar 2016 #85

When does 3rdPartyUnderground go live? JoePhilly Mar 2016 #90

Good one, Joe! LOL! Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #100

If they can't get that site off the ground ... I don't see much hope for their new party. JoePhilly Mar 2016 #104

Just send money! They can use Bernie's data bases to find their donors...! LOL! Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #109

Probably shortly after Sanders campaign ends HereSince1628 Mar 2016 #204

Well, if memory serves, JPR was meant to do that after the Sanders campaign. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #237

I don't think JPR = the progressive movement inside the democratic party HereSince1628 Mar 2016 #238

Ahhhhh, good point. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #239

Right, it's the DNC's fault BainsBane Mar 2016 #92

To hell with the will of the majority in elections Sheepshank Mar 2016 #94

Best wishes Renew Deal Mar 2016 #101

Is this based on the winning formula of the OWS Party? randome Mar 2016 #113

Juste un dernier mot....thanks SO much for this thread. Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #115

Working Families Party already exists in some states Autumn Colors Mar 2016 #120

It exists in states that allow fusion voting eridani Mar 2016 #225

I always vote on their line, though, to send a message Autumn Colors Mar 2016 #230

Didn't the Dems only adopt planks from the populist party (was it?) vintx Mar 2016 #126

Or doesn't give a shit about the country treestar Mar 2016 #131

Go ahead, make my day. oasis Mar 2016 #142

That's the second time today, I've seen this sentiment ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #155

I've bout had enough of this crap Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #157

43% of voters are now Independents, biggest electoral block now. riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #162

I know Bernie wins 70/30 against Trump. blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #178

Do not do this if you live in a state that has closed primaries. Indies can't vote in primaries. jillan Mar 2016 #170

Now we know who to blame if the Democrat loses in November Renew Deal Mar 2016 #177

You can blame the DNC & party elites & the media for pushing a purchased corporate Dem on US. /nt RiverLover Mar 2016 #223

Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #198

Not there yet HassleCat Mar 2016 #202

Bernie has come up with a brilliant scheme redstateblues Mar 2016 #215

lol... more temper tantrum... sigh uponit7771 Mar 2016 #221

So, The Revolution (™) is going to run the entire Government with Bernie Sanders? brooklynite Mar 2016 #227

Ok this post yesterday got me thinking about something I remembered reading about the New Deal. vintx Mar 2016 #228

Why not change the DNC? Amimnoch Mar 2016 #229

and we don't need to suck corporate teats like them! Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #231

Just Maybe colsohlibgal Mar 2016 #235

Damn Play, this thread reminds me of the French revolution Autumn Mar 2016 #243

Amazing huh? Playinghardball Mar 2016 #246

Nah it's par for the course anymore. Autumn Mar 2016 #247

I have to agree... LOL Playinghardball Mar 2016 #248

The 'Not Hillary' Party's time is about up. onehandle Mar 2016 #244

The Democratic Party stopped representing its former political base long ago AZ Progressive Mar 2016 #245

I don't know who or what the Democratic party represents nolabels Apr 2016 #297

Are we leaving the Democratic Party ... Martin Eden Mar 2016 #251

A better approach is to force the Third Way out Samantha Mar 2016 #257

Except neither the Dems or the 3rd party would get 270 electoral votes. pnwmom Mar 2016 #262

They don't care. They don't need liberal retards. They'll rely on 'sane' republicans to vote for her haikugal Mar 2016 #276

Sanders insisted he would not run as anything other than a Democrat. LisaM Mar 2016 #277

A third party can form without Sanders...[n/t] Maedhros Apr 2016 #305

Since the Clinton's cheat Politicalboi Mar 2016 #279

you can't be this dumb bigtree Apr 2016 #290

I support Bernie Sanders. If he loses the nomination and goes third party, I will turn my back on... marble falls Apr 2016 #299

Open Invite demwing Apr 2016 #300

So, then the center left and left consistently lose and we have endless Republican presidents. Zynx Apr 2016 #304