2016 Postmortem

BernieforPres2016

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75. You make good points. The GOP has been incredibly obstructionist.

Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:44 PM

Apr 2016

They've basically pretended that Obama isn't a legitimate President, starting with the Birther movement which Bernie points out in just about every stump speech. But I think the Democratic Party has become so captured by money that other than on social issues it has become hard to distinguish from the Republicans. There has been none of the type of enthusiasm that the Sanders campaign has generated and I think that is why the Democratic voter turnout has been so poor in the last couple of midterm elections.

I think a progressive President has to use the Presidency as a bully pulpit and rally people. I don't think Obama has made much of an effort in that regard since the ACA was passed.

Most of us Sanders supporters don't think his goals will be achieved instantly, and many probably won't be achieved at all during his tenure should he win the Presidency. Bernie says all the time that no President can do it alone. But we think he will fight for our interests and we are prepared to fight to support him.

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Why are some Democrats so afraid of change and hold onto their status quo like a baby blanket? [View all] rhett o rick Apr 2016 OP

Because Sanders would likely lose the election and Clinton will win SCantiGOP Apr 2016 #1

So much nope. TDale313 Apr 2016 #6

If you are disparaging the "74 year old socialist" SCantiGOP Apr 2016 #9

Variations of what they will do to Clinton Armstead Apr 2016 #32

A great deal of the reason some wealthy people are so wealthy Baobab Apr 2016 #41

TPP anyone? Global capture in the flesh. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #78

This whirlygigspin Apr 2016 #101

Nailed it, Baobab. Scuba Apr 2016 #107

The exact same thing they will do to Hillary, They've been calling Obama a... JPnoodleman Apr 2016 #102

Succinct and 100% correct. Thanks for the perspective. George II Apr 2016 #7

You keep saying it over and over hoping that will make it true. The hubris rhett o rick Apr 2016 #10

Exactly. hamsterjill Apr 2016 #12

So fear then. KPN Apr 2016 #58

Do you think if you repeat these fairy tales often enough..... daleanime Apr 2016 #64

good gawd Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #87

Monday, April 4 Contrary1 Apr 2016 #96

Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #2

They got theirs, screw the rest of us? n/t TDale313 Apr 2016 #3

I think it's this astrophuss42 Apr 2016 #4

I think that's a lot of it. Ignore those suffering and hold on to what you have. nm rhett o rick Apr 2016 #17

Even that can be fear. Down here where I am the next dollar jwirr Apr 2016 #30

It's her turn damn it!!!! Autumn Apr 2016 #5

Well, let's face it. For decades, every change has been for the worse for many. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2016 #8

some aren't as privileged as others bigtree Apr 2016 #11

That is what the OP is referring to -- Fear of disrupting the status quo, plus privilege Armstead Apr 2016 #34

Not every demographic of lesser privilege jonestonesusa Apr 2016 #98

I think it's those that are privileged that support Clinton. Those less than privileged rhett o rick Apr 2016 #112

Demeaning Clinton supporters is no way to win in November. LonePirate Apr 2016 #13

The problem is that the gradual change has been severly harming most of the lower 99%. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #37

+1 Go Vols Apr 2016 #43

Our system and government institutions Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2016 #48

What exactly is the Clinton class? LonePirate Apr 2016 #51

Clinton class is TheFarseer Apr 2016 #57

This middle class American has no problems if A wants to pay B over $200K for a speech. LonePirate Apr 2016 #62

I don't want to give speeches at big banks TheFarseer Apr 2016 #66

Supporting legal, free enterprise in America is a right wing position nowadays? LonePirate Apr 2016 #70

Bullshit. You trivialize a very serious ethical matter. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #79

What's bullshit is your selective outrage and complete lack of perspective. LonePirate Apr 2016 #86

No what is bullshit is moral blindness to the reality of the system. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #88

Doesn't Bernie also have bundlers or are his bundlers pure? LonePirate Apr 2016 #89

Dozens, and Bill gave even more while in office Avalon Sparks Apr 2016 #94

You claim corruption but where exactly is that corruption. LonePirate Apr 2016 #97

OMG, if you're going to intentionally miss the point TheFarseer Apr 2016 #91

You're missing the point that $250K is pocket change to the banks and the Clintons. LonePirate Apr 2016 #92

It's not like it was just one speech! n/t TheFarseer Apr 2016 #93

The number of speeches and fees is a very small percentage of both total numbers. LonePirate Apr 2016 #95

They amassed $150,000,000 in a very short time. Most of it was given to them by rhett o rick Apr 2016 #110

Maybe you have never been exposed to hard work. Have you seen what a sandblaster has rhett o rick Apr 2016 #59

They worked hard to reach the point where they could make millions. LonePirate Apr 2016 #68

Ah yes the American Dream. To be able to win the lottery or be good enough at politics rhett o rick Apr 2016 #71

Your selective and misdirected outrage is amusing. LonePirate Apr 2016 #72

Both camps have been acting far too precious for primary politics, imo. blm Apr 2016 #38

All of you GOTV workers are the true patriots and heroes in America. LonePirate Apr 2016 #55

The same reasons that about 1/3 of Americans were Tories in the American Revolution. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #14

Exactly. As we've all seen on the school yard, some like to hang with the biggest rhett o rick Apr 2016 #18

We just gotta keep talking to our friends and neighbors... HughLefty1 Apr 2016 #15

Because the status quo is good for them?........ socialist_n_TN Apr 2016 #16

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Comparing Clinton supporters with Nazis? You jumped quite the shark here. Jumped it into Crazytown. bettyellen Apr 2016 #24

no. comparing them to the people that didn't speak up against the Nazis Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #28

so- more like comparing the Dems to Nazis? because the "status quo" = genocide ? bettyellen Apr 2016 #31

not 'dems' just the ones who claim to be but are really just corporate shills Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #35

So posts with Nazi analogies, aren't comparing anyone or anything to Nazis, LOL. bettyellen Apr 2016 #36

NO. compared them to 'good germans' NOT the nazis Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #40

because good germans approved of what? beer? Nope- they approved of Nazis. Just because the bettyellen Apr 2016 #56

... face palm ... salinsky Apr 2016 #27

... Zorra Apr 2016 #39

The hide above is bullshit. You apparently said something that some didn't want to hear rhett o rick Apr 2016 #115

What utter fucking bullshit mythology Apr 2016 #67

no shame, no integrity. I am beyond disgusted. bettyellen Apr 2016 #82

Are you shaking your finger? The point is a point that should be allowed on a politically liberal rhett o rick Apr 2016 #114

Baby blanket? But you were not trying to insult fellow Democrats, right? seabeyond Apr 2016 #20

Power and money. They need the power to get their lobbying jobs after Nanjeanne Apr 2016 #21

Because many make a substantial living off the system as it is now. NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #22

$$$$$$$$$$$$$ nt restorefreedom Apr 2016 #23

Kickin' Faux pas Apr 2016 #25

LOL! zappaman Apr 2016 #26

Maybe because we're Democrats and not Socialists. beaglelover Apr 2016 #29

So you are saying that because we aren't socialists we can turn our backs on the 16,000,000 children rhett o rick Apr 2016 #44

Yup ya got me there Buzz cook Apr 2016 #99

So realizing you were using sarcasm to mask your true feelings, how many children rhett o rick Apr 2016 #100

You do realize that Buzz cook Apr 2016 #111

Perhaps you could list what Democrats stand for then? These days it is very unclear. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #81

It's the toned down, "screw you, I got mine" mentality. The Midway Rebel Apr 2016 #33

First off, stop with the insults Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2016 #42

In other words "sit down and shut up". I am not saying it will be easy. The wealthy 1% have rhett o rick Apr 2016 #47

Nobody is telling anybody to sit down or shut up Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2016 #53

Thanks for what is the most substantive post I have ever seen from a Hillary supporter here BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #60

Thanks for your compliment Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2016 #73

You make good points. The GOP has been incredibly obstructionist. BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #75

Thanks for the pleasant exchange of ideas Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2016 #77

The problem is that what Bernie needs to accomplish his agenda forjusticethunders Apr 2016 #74

Maybe because they don't want to be associated with the sort of people procon Apr 2016 #45

I want to see democracy returned to America. I want to see jobs and people put back into rhett o rick Apr 2016 #49

If you had led with that declarative statement as your opening gambit, procon Apr 2016 #65

Well those that are struggling in America see this primary as a war. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #69

No! We are not at war with out fellow Democrats. procon Apr 2016 #80

It's a class war. The division isn't a nice and easy clean cut between rhett o rick Apr 2016 #83

You started off talking about Clinton's voters. procon Apr 2016 #84

you nailed it- there is no strategy. It just feels good to some to spew hatred and disgust all day bettyellen Apr 2016 #106

Scorched earth is not good for the environment whirlygigspin Apr 2016 #103

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Capt. Obvious Apr 2016 #46

Thanks for posting. Some here would rather hide than rebut. nm rhett o rick Apr 2016 #50

ridiculous alert cyberswede Apr 2016 #54

AMEN! ViseGrip Apr 2016 #52

$$$. closeupready Apr 2016 #61

The Wisconsin exit polling confirms Hillary is the status quo candidate BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #63

Same reason so many other people are. Orsino Apr 2016 #76

They aren't just comforatable with the status quo. They'll fight to protect it. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #85

We are only fighting for what we believe in.. fun n serious Apr 2016 #90

Stockholm Syndrome ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #104

Aye papi whirlygigspin Apr 2016 #105

because not every Democrat is that far to the left ericson00 Apr 2016 #108

Explain to me what the differences are on issues between the left and your center. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #109

This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Apr 2016 #113

I see that we are at a tipping point (if we haven't already exceeded it) where we must draw rhett o rick Apr 2016 #116

This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Apr 2016 #117

I wish I'd saved a comment he made before he decided to run. It gave me significant pause. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #118