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nadinbrzezinski

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70. You mean the NEO LIBERAL PRESIDENT of Mexico did
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 08:10 PM
Apr 2016

the Mexican people disagree.

And those better jobs and better economy are ghosts. Don't tell me I have no idea, I go to Mexico often.

But what about Mexico? Didn't Mexico at least benefit from the agreement? Well if we look at the past 20 years, it's not a pretty picture. The most basic measure of economic progress, especially for a developing country like Mexico, is the growth of income (or GDP) per person. Out of 20 Latin American countries (South and Central America plus Mexico), Mexico ranks 18, with growth of less than 1% annually since 1994. It is, of course, possible to argue that Mexico would have done even worse without NAFTA, but then the question would be, why?

From 1960-80 Mexico's GDP per capita nearly doubled. This amounted to huge increases in living standards for the vast majority of Mexicans. If the country had continued to grow at this rate, it would have European living standards today. This is what happened in South Korea, for example. But Mexico, like the rest of the region, began a long period of neoliberal policy changes that, beginning with its handling of the early 1980s debt crisis, got rid of industrial and development policies, gave a bigger role to de-regulated international trade and investment, and prioritized tighter fiscal and monetary policies (sometimes even in recessions). These policies put an end to the prior period of growth and development. The region as a whole grew just 6% per capita from 1980-2000; and Mexico grew by 16% – a far cry from the 99% of the previous 20 years.

For Mexico, NAFTA helped to consolidate the neo-liberal, anti-development economic policies that had already been implemented in the prior decade, enshrining them in an international treaty. It also tied Mexico even further to the US economy, which was especially unlucky in the two decades that followed: the Fed's interest rate increases in 1994, the US stock market bust (2000-2002) and recession (2001), and especially, the housing bubble collapse and Great Recession of 2008-9 had a bigger impact on Mexico than almost anywhere else in the region.



http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/04/nafta-20-years-mexico-regret

There is more than just the Guardian. And it has also been a disaster for the environment... and education.

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Oh please, Archer is the clueless one, she lied and was caught: beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #1
He's going to the Vatican. Lots of people lied about this. They're not going to the Vatican. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #2
Where did anyone say he wasn't going to the Vatican? The dispute was in how the invitation pnwmom Apr 2016 #3
He will be going to the Vatican. Many people lied about him. They will not be going to the Vatican. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #9
Climate change and the sixth global mass-extinction event is happening now SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #51
Indeed. They cannot defend Bill's bullshit noiretextatique Apr 2016 #62
A generic academic conference DesertRat Apr 2016 #4
The Pope will not be attending the conference. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #7
Didn''t Bernie say on the View that the Pope invited him itsrobert Apr 2016 #42
he absolutely said he will be meeting with the Pope DrDan Apr 2016 #50
Sure made it sound like he was. Bobbie Jo Apr 2016 #25
Please proceed, poster Fumesucker Apr 2016 #5
If anyone calls the Vatican clueless about politics sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #6
This chancellor said "it is a little impossible to understand." He is recognizing his cluelessness. pnwmom Apr 2016 #10
No. TheFarS1de Apr 2016 #16
OMG. Let it go. Of course there's a political component to it. It's what politicians do! reformist2 Apr 2016 #8
if the subject matter RazBerryBeret Apr 2016 #11
Hillary didn't get invited I take it azurnoir Apr 2016 #12
She didn't lobby for an invitation, as the President of the Academy says Bernie did. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #14
That is a lie . TheFarS1de Apr 2016 #18
She says that is the truth, and she is the organizer of the conference. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #19
And her boss states otherwise . TheFarS1de Apr 2016 #20
I believe her because that is much more in keeping with the Church's general policy NEVER pnwmom Apr 2016 #21
You believe what is convenient . TheFarS1de Apr 2016 #24
There is no reason to think they've made a special exception in this case -- especially in view pnwmom Apr 2016 #33
You assert your speculation is fact . TheFarS1de Apr 2016 #36
@BernieSanders LIED again-said he would meet w/ Pope!! on the View!! riversedge Apr 2016 #52
Oh look TheFarS1de Apr 2016 #55
The church hasn't involved itself in politics? ??!!! riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #30
They might interfere behind the scenes but not publicly. Their public position is always neutral. n/ pnwmom Apr 2016 #35
Archer and Sorondo's comments are the very definition of a private spat gone public nt riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #43
SNORT... In his Mexican tour nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #54
You might remember that a reporter questioned him about Trump -- he didn't insert himself into pnwmom Apr 2016 #63
And you might want to interpret that as distancing nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #69
I know right. Their whole existence is to push a political agenda. Kalidurga Apr 2016 #60
Neither did Bernie he was invited azurnoir Apr 2016 #76
He asked for an invitation, according to the President of the Academy, and so they sent one. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #77
you should really try to keep up on this azurnoir Apr 2016 #78
You should go to an original source. pnwmom Apr 2016 #79
Is he a guest speaker HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #13
He is not listed on the website as a speaker or a participant. In an odd wording, pnwmom Apr 2016 #17
I'm at a loss as to why in the middle of the New York primary HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #26
Italy is beautiful in the springtime. nt DesertRat Apr 2016 #32
You win this thread. HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #39
Hillarys going to Hong Kong! fighting-irish Apr 2016 #40
Yeah except she's not, her CFO is HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #44
Actually, Hillary's not going, her campaign's CFO is going to Hong Kong DesertRat Apr 2016 #47
You mean the CFO that came though Goldman Sachs? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #56
Of course, you would say that, never miss sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #29
We're in the middle of a campaign HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #38
He want's to give all Hillary supporters a respite from his socialist presences in the country for Autumn Apr 2016 #67
Good Dawd...Can't you people just let this go? It makes you look petty. Armstead Apr 2016 #15
Maybe they felt Sanders should show a little more respect for South Americans who Hoyt Apr 2016 #22
At the expense of respect and jobs JesterCS Apr 2016 #28
Another Sanders' Nationalist. America First and all that junk. I hope this conference Hoyt Apr 2016 #46
I'd suggest you look at out history in Latin America...and Bernies positions over the years Armstead Apr 2016 #53
Please educate yourself. azmom Apr 2016 #59
NAFTA has helped. Most telling is Mexico begged to be part of TPP because they know it's the only Hoyt Apr 2016 #61
Your ignorance is showing. azmom Apr 2016 #64
Let me guess, you believe Americans first. Hoyt Apr 2016 #66
You mean the NEO LIBERAL PRESIDENT of Mexico did nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #70
I mean officials elected by the people. Anyone who doesn't agree with you is a neo-liberal. Hoyt Apr 2016 #71
I hate to point this out, but Pena Nieto, Gortari nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #72
Elected by the people? LOL azmom Apr 2016 #75
This 'concern' is bullshit angrychair Apr 2016 #23
But Sanders is not "leader of a nation." okasha Apr 2016 #58
But he is the leading American proponent of the ideals DebDoo Apr 2016 #80
No, he isn't. okasha Apr 2016 #81
Now you're insulting Pope Francis's aide. How low will you go? n/t Avalux Apr 2016 #27
"Clueless Vatican chancellor": Three words seldom seen in proximity to one another Fumesucker Apr 2016 #31
Wonder who really sought out the invitation? Jitter65 Apr 2016 #34
The chancellor did: beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #37
Looks like the guy who invited him now wants him to maybe speak. kennetha Apr 2016 #41
Jews, Mormons and atheists/agnostics are the most knowledgeable groups in America about religion Fumesucker Apr 2016 #48
I can vouch for that nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #57
Please stop with this. Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #45
We aren't worried at all. We are wonks...and people are curious about the choice. Lucinda Apr 2016 #74
ok so hc's campaigns new theme is the Vatican is clueless questionseverything Apr 2016 #49
Well, high Vatican officials are naive when it comes to politics. QC Apr 2016 #65
There must be a disturbance in the Force. PeoViejo Apr 2016 #68
Queasy has no legs ... GeorgeGist Apr 2016 #73
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