2016 Postmortem

Bluenorthwest

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22. But it becomes relevant when you attempt to pretend to be the rightful judge of others on LGBT

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 11:23 AM

Apr 2016

matters. Back when you did that 'apology' a few of us tried to explain that the thing you should not do is attempt to exploit LGBT issues for your own purposes ever again. But you never stopped doing that. This suggests the apology was just some words as it is not backed up by any change in behaviors.

Fact is, Bernie has already been mentioning both LGBT rights and reproductive choice in regard to this trip to Rome. This stands in stark contrast to the delighted and utterly uncritical support for the RCC out of Pelosi and Kerry and Biden and so many others when Francis recently spoke by invitation in our Congress. No one said a word that day.
Barack Obama has been to the Vatican twice as President, 2009 and 2014 and guess what he did not talk about? Bill Clinton went to the Vatican and met with JP2 repeatedly in the US, not a mention of any of those issues.
Of course for Bill, that was even more than 12 years ago....maybe now he'd go there and just rip into them like he ripped into BLM. Who knows?

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If I were going to attend that conference at the Vatican, which [View all] MineralMan Apr 2016 OP

Why don't you email your list to the Sander's campaign? Better yet email them to the Vatican. notadmblnd Apr 2016 #1

+1 It makes no sense to fight economic injustice with anyone who does not agree with you 100% on merrily Apr 2016 #31

I'm sure that would be considered meta... haikugal Apr 2016 #2

Very diplomatic! chknltl Apr 2016 #3

There can be NO diplomacy in the fight for basic human rights! revmclaren Apr 2016 #13

Are you are saying that slow institutional changes, retaining the statua quo, are not preferred? TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #23

Kissing up to the leader of a religious tyranny revmclaren Apr 2016 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author Vilis Veritas Apr 2016 #27

I hope if he gets the Popes ear he will say something addressing this. revmclaren Apr 2016 #28

No Christian variant would exist. Europe, the USA, etc. without that past "religious tyranny" TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #29

Yeah, those would be great... mak3cats Apr 2016 #4

Bernie has mentioned where he disagrees with the Roman Curia. mmonk Apr 2016 #5

Betcha anything Sanders starts with... We disagree on these issues, lets put them to the side. NT seabeyond Apr 2016 #6

#6: doesn't/ I think you mean. Hiraeth Apr 2016 #7

Yes. You are correct. I omitted the word "not." MineralMan Apr 2016 #15

Sanders made no bones about his disagreements at Liberty University, he was very up front about it Fumesucker Apr 2016 #8

Would ya really? whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #9

I have not been on that website for 10 years, now. MineralMan Apr 2016 #17

Sure dude, whatever you say whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #19

Indeed. It is as I say. MineralMan Apr 2016 #20

Remember: "Do as I say, not as I do" works great for some... kristopher Apr 2016 #24

Ouch! I'm sure he went there to lecture them about our rights though. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #39

"I don't think homosexual men should be in positions of trust with boys. Or lesbians with girls.... SixString Apr 2016 #10

I wrote that 12 years ago, was corrected and simply no longer hold MineralMan Apr 2016 #11

But it becomes relevant when you attempt to pretend to be the rightful judge of others on LGBT Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #22

Jesus Christ. I hadn't seen that before. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #40

You'd make a rude guest. GeorgeGist Apr 2016 #12

No doubt that's true, but I'd still ask those inconvenient questions. MineralMan Apr 2016 #14

You need to get a grip about this Vatican thing. Punkingal Apr 2016 #16

I have a firm grip on it, thanks. MineralMan Apr 2016 #18

TMI! We don't want to know about you gripping it firmly whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #21

"I have a firm grip on it." panader0 Apr 2016 #56

Yes. That was written before we even had any documents MineralMan Apr 2016 #57

Don't worry about it. Fuddnik Apr 2016 #26

No, I am not going to the Vatican. MineralMan Apr 2016 #38

After all, that's what a refined person would do. Act like the Palin's crashing a pool party. TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #30

Respect for institutions is given as it is earned. MineralMan Apr 2016 #32

While you attempt to justify classlessness, it breaks from the forum's agenda. TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #34

I would give exactly the same advice to Hillary, or any MineralMan Apr 2016 #37

Why don't you send your questions directly to the Pope? Vinca Apr 2016 #33

I have zero delusions that I am in any position to address MineralMan Apr 2016 #35

This is not difficult. Compile your questions and hit send. Vinca Apr 2016 #36

Wow. After reading what you wrote about gay people this is even more outrageous. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #41

Only one of my questions had to do with LGBT people MineralMan Apr 2016 #43

Do you have a list of what you want Clinton to say to Goldman Sachs on the same day? Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #42

I thought she was holding a campaign fundraiser. MineralMan Apr 2016 #45

It was metaphoric. And let's not call $175,000 a plate a "fundraiser" Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #59

You do realize that there are only two seats for that price, right? MineralMan Apr 2016 #60

Well.. this pope has actually covered a lot of these. basselope Apr 2016 #44

I believe that today's talking points have been disseminated, folks. frylock Apr 2016 #46

A Moral Economy must address such things. MineralMan Apr 2016 #47

All of which Bernie is more than aware of. frylock Apr 2016 #48

Assuming that he speaks at all at the conference. MineralMan Apr 2016 #49

Start locally aspirant Apr 2016 #50

Indeed there are. I am not a Catholic, however, MineralMan Apr 2016 #51

To answer your questions aspirant Apr 2016 #53

You want the next president of the United States to pick a fight with anyone and everyone? Ash_F Apr 2016 #52

If he becomes President, he will represent the entire country MineralMan Apr 2016 #54

I think everyone is going to be interested in what he says. Ash_F Apr 2016 #55

If he says anything at all. We do not know whether he is speaking MineralMan Apr 2016 #58

Diplomacy is what is needed. TheFarS1de Apr 2016 #61

I, like you, will post on DU as I please. MineralMan Apr 2016 #62

I never stated otherwise . TheFarS1de Apr 2016 #63