2016 Postmortem

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45. Not the point of the article.

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Why women’s representation may suffer when Hillary Clinton is attacked as ‘ambitious’ and ... [View all] Native Apr 2016 OP

The blame belongs on Hillary nichomachus Apr 2016 #1

It makes me very sad to think you really mean this. I would imagine you don't have daughters Native Apr 2016 #6

Being treated as equals means that even though she's a woman, we dont ignore her flaws Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #16

Queen Bee Syndrome From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Baobab Apr 2016 #32

You have no idea of when those words are applied to women-they are sexist and based riversedge Apr 2016 #33

The argument then, is, that since she's a woman, it is impossible for her to have any actual flaws. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #38

Nope, that's not the argument at all. You are too bent on making this a "who's the better candidate" Native Apr 2016 #41

Help me understand exactly where we differ on this. rachacha Apr 2016 #63

I am looking at it properly. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #64

I have daughters Perogie Apr 2016 #59

Hillary Clinton is not all women. She is Hillary Clinton. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #2

Can you ever imagine any male candidate being asked if they think their ambition Native Apr 2016 #8

Yes, again, if their reflexive impulse toward secrecy led to actual problems in objective reality. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #12

If you consider ambition to be a flaw, then every candidate running now is flawed. Native Apr 2016 #15

No, I consider ambition to the point of clouding otherwise good judgment to be a flaw. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #18

I take it you think her decisions have been made with one goal - world domination? Native Apr 2016 #26

flag is down. I think that's a 5 yard penalty. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #31

Yes because they have been. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #20

Elizabeth Warren yes, Hillary Clinton, no - Also LOTS of men have overinflated egos Baobab Apr 2016 #34

I really don't see Hillary as having an overinflated ego. Donald Trump, yes; Hillary, no. Native Apr 2016 #43

You haven't paid attention. Perogie Apr 2016 #60

BS woman can be just as "‘ambitious’ and ‘unqualified’" as any male politician awake Apr 2016 #3

I disagree. I think the three women who wrote this have a valid point about sexism in politics. Native Apr 2016 #17

I will agree as in almost every thing in America there is sexism awake Apr 2016 #21

It's the same bs with Obama. PyaarRevolution Apr 2016 #28

Yes just the same awake Apr 2016 #30

I don't believe Bernie's comment about Hillary being unqualified came from a sexist perspective, Native Apr 2016 #35

I for one feel that woman can take the heat and that this would not discourage awake Apr 2016 #42

Feminist, Gender, and Sexuality courses in colleges across the nation teach otherwise. Native Apr 2016 #44

The times they are changing when I was in collage (1970s) this was true awake Apr 2016 #49

That research must be old then because young Millennial woman are very strong and do not see things liberal_at_heart Apr 2016 #52

I don't believe I have Uponthegears Apr 2016 #4

According to the article, it was Jeff Weaver who said her ambition was destroying the party. Native Apr 2016 #9

Because it is. PyaarRevolution Apr 2016 #29

And he is exactly correct. Her campaign's statement that she would disqualify and destroy Bernie's liberal_at_heart Apr 2016 #50

Weaver used the word "ambition", so the WaPo is naturally alleging sexism rachacha Apr 2016 #23

back to the vajayjay argument Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #5

then leave ambition out of it, stick to the issues, positions, and decisions! Native Apr 2016 #13

ok. doesn't change the decisions that she made. Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #14

But, in the sense Weaver used it, it only means "goal." Fawke Em Apr 2016 #24

What issues and positions? Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #25

I'm not here to debate other issues with you. Native Apr 2016 #36

yeah, because from the get-go, her campaign hasn't been about "issues and positions" Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #40

More WaPo Hillbullying...we get it, they don't like Bernie rachacha Apr 2016 #7

And yet Hillary's campaign denigrates women and denies we even exist! CharlotteVale Apr 2016 #10

Every campaign has supporters who make unfortunate comments, but Native Apr 2016 #22

Why should personal ambition be considered as a feature in a president? lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #11

Well, it was for Hillary. I think that's the point. Native Apr 2016 #37

What I'm suggesting is that if it's reasonable to criticize Trump because he wants to be king lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #58

Contrary to popular belief we don't think she's attacked because of her Gender. onecaliberal Apr 2016 #19

Maybe you don't, but obviously women in Poli Sci academia do. Native Apr 2016 #39

If they're all like her I can see why onecaliberal Apr 2016 #65

Hillary's campaign started the who is and who isn't qualified thing BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #27

Not the point of the article. Native Apr 2016 #45

I hope this is not true PATRICK Apr 2016 #46

Obviously I can't have a discussion about sexism in this forum because it offends men who Native Apr 2016 #51

Sounds like you are the one dismissing women in this thread. You don't seem to care if there are liberal_at_heart Apr 2016 #53

I think women's issues suffer every time Clinton's campaign uses "sexism" pdsimdars Apr 2016 #47

So we're not allowed to question anything she does because she's a woman? I call bull on that and I liberal_at_heart Apr 2016 #48

No, you can do anything you want, but do read the article... CBHagman Apr 2016 #62

She's been a senator and sec'y of state. She is obviously qualified. gollygee Apr 2016 #54

As a feminist woman, I interpreted Weaver's comment as Hillary’s "goal" riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #55

That's part of the problem. Almost all Congressmen and women are millionaires. liberal_at_heart Apr 2016 #56

Agreed which is why its doubly strange to think the appellation of "ambitious" is damaging riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #57

Oy, the responses to the article here call for the posting of the logical fallacy list. CBHagman Apr 2016 #61