2016 Postmortem

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66. I think the issue is the various primary rules state by state where some Independents are excluded.

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 05:31 PM

Apr 2016

I had a reply that someone likes Dem policies but not the spam, however parties are private organizations that can determine what the rules are and every state has decided that FOR their states. And, btw, you can always block the spam if you wanted to, so frankly, I think that was just a dumb reach for an excuse.

The furthering of the claim that the entire primary system is rigged is unbelievable when factor in the OBVIOUS - If it was rigged in advance to benefit only Clinton according to so many threads here, every state would be a closed primary - there would be no caucuses, either - and it would have been done at the state conventions over the last 3 years.

And I take no pleasure being the one who has to keep my feet on the ground while replying to my fellow Sanders voters. In fact, it's a bore that is unfortunately, necessary still at this point.

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Independents are NOT the enemy. [View all] Ken Burch Apr 2016 OP

Hillary believes in Democratic Party purity. imagine2015 Apr 2016 #1

The purity of her notion that the Democratic Party has to be "moderate". Ken Burch Apr 2016 #4

No. She believes we should compromise with republicans Kittycat Apr 2016 #14

It really is voter suppression how both parties are fighting to keep independents from voting HughLefty1 Apr 2016 #2

People who think for themselves are dangerous to parties. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #3

+1 Zira Apr 2016 #87

No they are not, republicans are. Agschmid Apr 2016 #5

Independents are not a monolith. There are as many conservative independents as progressive... CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #6

But it's only progressive indies voting for Bernie. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #16

LOL, sure. "Progressive" indies voting for Sadners. Hahahaha. Good one. CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #18

Bullshit. There aren't any states where Bernie won on Ron Paul votes. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #22

Party loyalists hate anything and anyone they can't control. That's okay. I welcome their hatred. liberal_at_heart Apr 2016 #7

as do I. fuck those cult like assholes. nt m-lekktor Apr 2016 #52

Independents tend to be radical in temperament. It cuts both ways with them. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #8

These are radical times. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #24

It's very much like Black Friday. You start giving things away and a "me,me,me" crowd appears. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #28

Like all the corporate lobbyists swarming around Hillary Fumesucker Apr 2016 #36

The corporate crowd loves their free stuff too. I never suggested that greed has boundaries. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #47

The Republicans I know will denounce corporate greed too, if I bring it up... Fumesucker Apr 2016 #86

He is a one tone buster BlindTiresias Apr 2016 #119

Bernie isn't "giving things away". Ken Burch Apr 2016 #55

If that's how you feel, fine. But someone does have to pay for that. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #56

The corporations can be made to. The rich can be made to. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #58

You know we have 35 trillion dollars (think about that number) floating nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #65

That's a common RW propaganda smear against Dem party - used for decades. blm Apr 2016 #129

seems to me the party's nominee should be determined by the party members DrDan Apr 2016 #9

Because given our system that will have to vote for those parties nominees in a GE... TCJ70 Apr 2016 #10

Then they can join the party. LonePirate Apr 2016 #29

If this process gets them to join us, it's worth it. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #12

I have absolutely no problem with him running DrDan Apr 2016 #17

He'd be doing just as well. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #23

it's not like registering is a monumental task . . . DrDan Apr 2016 #30

So you've just admitted you're making a big deal over nothing. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #38

no - registering/unregistering is a state matter DrDan Apr 2016 #42

And every indy who voted Bernie would STILL have voted Bernie if they had had to re-register. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #49

is that supposed to provide an a-ha moment for me? DrDan Apr 2016 #51

So how long do you think I have to be a registered democrat to vote? DebDoo Apr 2016 #25

depends on the state - go for it - I have no problem with that DrDan Apr 2016 #27

So why bother making me register? DebDoo Apr 2016 #44

the candidate represents a particular party - I think members of that party are the proper ones DrDan Apr 2016 #45

Again, if I'm going to immediately remove myself from the party, why bother? Voter suppression? DebDoo Apr 2016 #50

yeah - that's it . . . . suppress the vote DrDan Apr 2016 #53

What other reason is there to make someone go through the hassle of registering for one day? DebDoo Apr 2016 #57

look - that is my opinion - a political party's candidate should be selected DrDan Apr 2016 #60

Making someone register for a party for theexpress purpose of voting makes it more difficult for one DebDoo Apr 2016 #62

yep - that 2 minutes or so creates such a burden - obviously suppression DrDan Apr 2016 #67

it's an unnecessary step. It doesn't matter how long it takes DebDoo Apr 2016 #71

you know what's ironic DrDan Apr 2016 #68

The Democrats need to bring in new and former Democrats All in it together Apr 2016 #97

Registered Dems = 29%. Can't win without Independants. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #13

Given the horrendous Republican alternatives, Dems shouldn't worry over any blackmail pressure LonePirate Apr 2016 #32

It is not blackmail. TM99 Apr 2016 #78

I urge you to close all primaries nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #15

Maybe they should shut out the Independent voters in the general election too. Contrary1 Apr 2016 #20

Agreed nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #21

So you want Independents to mount a third party run to hand the election to Trump or Cruz? LonePirate Apr 2016 #40

Point out where I said that... Contrary1 Apr 2016 #63

You said a viable 3rd party should be created. LonePirate Apr 2016 #64

I said "A viable 3rd and 4th party would be the result" Contrary1 Apr 2016 #73

What is the point of party primaries if anyone can vote in them? Adrahil Apr 2016 #110

They truly had a use earlier nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #114

I think that is a naive view. Adrahil Apr 2016 #116

Fine. TM99 Apr 2016 #59

these are not candidates-at-large - they represent a party DrDan Apr 2016 #61

Still doesn't address TM99 Apr 2016 #79

Is there a mystical initiation ritual required to vote for a Democrat? Armstead Apr 2016 #128

I think all primaries should be open... TCJ70 Apr 2016 #11

Exactly. Focus on what REALLY matters and that's the GE. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #120

Who has said that ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #19

We have open primaries/caucuses in most of the states where we have them Ken Burch Apr 2016 #31

That is not correct, either ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #39

And again, it isn't just about what people call themselves. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #46

NO, the disabled are BainsBane Apr 2016 #26

The only issue with proxy voting is that is is supposed to be one proxy per person. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #34

Where is the one proxy per person rule? Codeine Apr 2016 #98

Party rule in Wyoming. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #100

Where is that rule? Codeine Apr 2016 #103

Heck, even the party refers to them as "absentee ballots" Codeine Apr 2016 #105

No one is against Independents... CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #33

If all the primaries and caucuse were closed, all of the indies would have re-registered as Dems Ken Burch Apr 2016 #37

Then why didn't they ... GeorgeGist Apr 2016 #77

We don't know that they haven't. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #81

ex-actly! DrDan Apr 2016 #43

This ^ PeaceNikki Apr 2016 #54

thank you dana_b Apr 2016 #35

No one said they were the enemy. They just can not vote in closed in primaries. hrmjustin Apr 2016 #41

We all know that. It's also been the case that, everytime Bernie won, your side said Ken Burch Apr 2016 #70

Well your side dismissed Hillary's wins in the south so it is not like my hrmjustin Apr 2016 #72

We haven't dismissed those wins. They happened. We just said they didn't end the campaign. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #74

Of course your side dismissed those wins. hrmjustin Apr 2016 #76

You are only saying that because all your candidate has going for her Ken Burch Apr 2016 #80

Why is Sanders struggling with African American voters? hrmjustin Apr 2016 #83

Several reasons Ken Burch Apr 2016 #90

Well I will let African Americans speak for themselves but if he doesn't improve hrmjustin Apr 2016 #91

OK, but he is doing well in NY. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #92

I was not aware you live in NY. hrmjustin Apr 2016 #93

I follow it over the MSM. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #94

Well he may get big rallies but he is only get in the upper 30's or lower 40's in the polls here. hrmjustin Apr 2016 #95

Poll that was out this morning had him at 47% Ken Burch Apr 2016 #96

It's not a myth. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #109

He would never have been a major organizer in the freedom movement if he thought that. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #111

... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #112

You make it sound like Bernie is going to ignore racism. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #113

Thank you! As someone against war and corruption I expect I will be one soon. Zira Apr 2016 #48

I think the issue is the various primary rules state by state where some Independents are excluded. blm Apr 2016 #66

Open Primaries encourage 'mischief' voting Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #85

I prefer uniform closed primaries in every state. I think the rest fosters conspiracy talk blm Apr 2016 #88

Jane Sanders on MSNBC said she has this exact same position on primary voting. blm Apr 2016 #127

Thank you Ken. TM99 Apr 2016 #69

This is yet another way they are like the GOP. . . the GOP keep missing the message too pdsimdars Apr 2016 #121

I wouldn't be surprised to see a new political party emerge from this election. nt NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #75

...just ONE...? Ken Burch Apr 2016 #106

Independents are usually required to win the GE. The question is pampango Apr 2016 #82

Independents ARE the enemy if they hate you and you place your own ambition above the public good. Attorney in Texas Apr 2016 #84

Ah yes, but which independents? JackRiddler Apr 2016 #89

To me, it depends on the independents gollygee Apr 2016 #99

Nobody is calling for us to embrace THOSE independents, though. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #101

That's why I added the last line in the first paragraph. gollygee Apr 2016 #102

Thank you for saying that. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #104

Bernie got 72% of independents in the last primary, that should give you a pretty good idea pdsimdars Apr 2016 #122

It should be as easy as possible to join the party... DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #107

Absolutely Ken Burch Apr 2016 #115

Funny to see everyone from Team Hill pretend they haven't been attacking Indys Hydra Apr 2016 #108

Well, SOME are not the enemy. Adrahil Apr 2016 #117

All you have to do is look at the way they have been talking about Independents and it's easy pdsimdars Apr 2016 #123

And I'll shoot this back at you..... Adrahil Apr 2016 #124

I'm thinking, from your response, that THEY are not the self-righteous ones. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #130

Independents are 42% of voters, Democrats only about 30% pdsimdars Apr 2016 #118

K and R bigwillq Apr 2016 #125

To the Clintonites Bettie Apr 2016 #126