2016 Postmortem

spooky3

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37. Let's make a list of all the things we pay taxes for

Reply to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Tue Apr 12, 2016, 11:56 PM

Apr 2016

That we don't control, or qualify for, or directly benefit from: military spending, health care benefits for some, some education benefits, some national parks far away, construction of some govt buildings, etc etc etc.

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Why should independent voters pay taxes to hold Democratic Party primaries we can't vote in? [View all] Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 OP

Amazing point DetroitSocialist83 Apr 2016 #1

This is an old question that state officials push back on to the parties JimDandy Apr 2016 #52

You admit you aren't a Democrat? BainsBane Apr 2016 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #4

+1 Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #8

No one on this site has much to do with a lot of points that are brought up... Avalon Sparks Apr 2016 #18

Cheese's point was about election law and taxes. delrem Apr 2016 #27

Jim Webb is no longer a Democrat BainsBane Apr 2016 #55

That's a lot to choke down in one sitting. delrem Apr 2016 #59

Sorry, when did the name change to DemocraticPartyUnderground.com ? revbones Apr 2016 #29

This! Or even DemocratUnderground? jillan Apr 2016 #48

So you do not want people that are not registered Dems to vote for Democrats? jillan Apr 2016 #49

Of course I welcome independents, Republicans and anyone else who is willing to vote for Democrats BainsBane Apr 2016 #53

+1 radical noodle Apr 2016 #56

BainsBane said they will not support the Democratic nominee, if I'm not mistaken. Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #68

Where does the OP admit that they aren't a Democrat? n/t Contrary1 Apr 2016 #60

I'm not a Dem but an Indy pinebox Apr 2016 #80

I knew you weren't a Democrat BainsBane Apr 2016 #99

Such an ignorant point. The "D" is not magical. nt revbones Apr 2016 #101

The "D" has become nothing more than a logo on a football jersey for far too many. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2016 #106

I vote Democratic, but I've always called myself an Independent. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2016 #105

That's a common argument for caucuses, and I think it makes a decent point Recursion Apr 2016 #3

That's the case in any area where one party dominates BainsBane Apr 2016 #7

Right, but that's an argument *for* public funding of those primaries Recursion Apr 2016 #9

I'm all for primaries BainsBane Apr 2016 #16

same here in New Haven. My neighbor is a republican but is a registered democrat so he can vote for CTyankee Apr 2016 #87

I think having the primaries drawn out in a series over several months, is somehow wrong. delrem Apr 2016 #31

The pace is supposed to allow a challenge from a lesser-known candidate Recursion Apr 2016 #46

How does it benefit to have this going on at the same time as the R primary, delrem Apr 2016 #50

I think this primary season is a pretty good argument for bringing back smoke-filled rooms (nt) Recursion Apr 2016 #54

It's a serious issue. delrem Apr 2016 #58

Because we have no power and they have it all Gwhittey Apr 2016 #5

That is a very good point. Kalidurga Apr 2016 #6

wait, is there really no answer for this? Of couuuurse not! NT Joob Apr 2016 #13

If there is an answer I sure as hell don't know what it is. NT Kalidurga Apr 2016 #15

Yet caucuses, which allow very few people to particpate BainsBane Apr 2016 #10

Amazingly tone deaf post. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #17

+10000 Avalon Sparks Apr 2016 #20

Arizona needs investigation BainsBane Apr 2016 #24

I don't care if you read a fucking thing nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #25

I guess this was the impetus for the states that opened the primaries. Skink Apr 2016 #11

Simple: Allow people to register for a party on the day of the primary or caucus. DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #12

That has been argued in court nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #14

All states should have open primaries,imo, sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #19

Why should childless couples pay school taxes? nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #21

Conflating a private organization nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #22

Ok, why should non-voters pay for open primaries? nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #26

Why should you conflate a public organization? Public schools, with this. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #34

Good luck changing your pesky State Constitution. Brother Buzz Apr 2016 #42

Ignorance is best nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #47

simple solution - have a primary only independents can vote in. voila you people who don't want to msongs Apr 2016 #23

Yeah, that really doesn't address TM99 Apr 2016 #30

I got a better solution nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #32

And if they aren't going to be open, at least let them change affiliation on election day jfern Apr 2016 #28

That would make sense. Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #35

I like this idea. jwirr Apr 2016 #104

Get off your asses, field your own candidates, and hold your own primaries. MADem Apr 2016 #33

Freedom of association and private entity nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #36

Because Establishment entities hundreds of years old are "grass roots" Prism Apr 2016 #69

Let me begin by saying I am registered Lazy Daisy Apr 2016 #71

Let's make a list of all the things we pay taxes for spooky3 Apr 2016 #37

Those are public nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #38

Don't buy it. You cannot get veterans' benefits if you are not part of the "club." spooky3 Apr 2016 #40

You don't buy it but my state Supreme Court did nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #43

Those are all public goods and institutions. Even if my kids aren't in school, I can still go down Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #39

Your kid does not get guaranteed admission to a university of his spooky3 Apr 2016 #41

You're misunderstanding my argument. Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #44

Yours is the weak one nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #45

yes, unlike political parties where anyone can register for any party they want JI7 Apr 2016 #67

Political parties now change to support anything they want. djean111 Apr 2016 #78

political parties aren't religions JI7 Apr 2016 #89

Actually closer to organized religion than you nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #98

Shut up and eat your peas! Fuddnik Apr 2016 #51

There are typically nonpartisan issues and referenda on ballots LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #57

Right but that doesn't address the issue of whether we should be giving a bunch of free Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #61

If you don't want to be a Democrat, why are you here? LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #62

You're blowing your cover with these intelligent sounding posts Fumesucker Apr 2016 #64

It happens. I joke and poke, but I like people. LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #76

How do you "be a Democrat". You have to pay dues or something? Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #65

No you don't. You just have to register as one. LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #70

You mean like register with the Party officially somehow? Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #72

Just normal voter registration. LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #73

The way it works here you don't do that. Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #74

States rules, I guess. That sounds like same day registration. LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #77

Yes, and the state can easily decouple tje primary nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #91

Bernie wants public financed campaigns. LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #95

Yup, and fully open primaries nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #96

This is not 'Libertarian Underground.' onehandle Apr 2016 #63

So you've got no answer. Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #66

There are thousands of Independents who vote dem or liberal...they aren't all libertarian but you haikugal Apr 2016 #75

I'm one :) pinebox Apr 2016 #82

Me too.... :) haikugal Apr 2016 #84

What's wrong with people voting? pinebox Apr 2016 #81

Because conservadems can see the writing in the damn wall nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #97

That's a good point. Vinca Apr 2016 #79

you can vote in them . . . you just need to follow the rules DrDan Apr 2016 #83

Please, don't leave us in the dark... haikugal Apr 2016 #85

That's actually a good question. Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #86

Taxes shouldn't be used on a political party's nomination process. NobodyHere Apr 2016 #88

Why can'y you vote in BOTH primaries?? JoePhilly Apr 2016 #90

Start your own party and then we're paying taxes for your primary too. CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #92

Actually this will end up in tje courts. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #93

So join a party Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #94

More caterwaul over long established rules and practices that don't benefit Bernie. CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #100

Why not eliminate parties from the primary process? LonePirate Apr 2016 #102

In MN the caucus that selects the presidential nominee is jwirr Apr 2016 #103

Let it be up to the party to decide who can vote in party primaries. Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #109

Why should people without children pay for school taxes? Freddie Stubbs Apr 2016 #107

Why should the people who don't vote have to pay for it? NCTraveler Apr 2016 #108