2016 Postmortem

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts) Wed Apr 13, 2016, 02:32 PM Apr 2016

I hate to be a gloom and doom pessimist, but I fear the worst may happen and... [View all]

Hillary may become our candidate.

I know nobody wants to listen when someone preaches doom and destruction, but we have to be realistic and prepare for the disaster that would be a Clinton candidacy, or even worse, a Clinton presidency. Yes, I know, she would be better than Trump, but how much better? Marginally better on tone and demeanor, but how much better on policy, really?

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I hate to be a gloom and doom pessimist, but I fear the worst may happen and... [View all] Binkie The Clown Apr 2016 OP

Oh noes not HRC she will end America as we know it. giftedgirl77 Apr 2016 #1

DOOM! GLOOM! The end of the world as COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #59

Oh noes indeed rock Apr 2016 #82

Don't faint. For all that you love, Don't faint. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #89

Don't worry rock Apr 2016 #93

KInd of sucks to be the flyer... nt COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #134

Actually yes, accelerating climate change ensures that America as we know it will end riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #114

Don't sell her short.... daleanime Apr 2016 #177

Too late for that, her husband already did. KPN Apr 2016 #183

Congratulations. Cali_Democrat Apr 2016 #2

And we were there to help him through every stage./nt DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #4

I have a question for you azurnoir Apr 2016 #23

Anybody with a glbtq friend, a Muslim friend, a Latino friend... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #29

I see well we can hope so azurnoir Apr 2016 #33

Hopefully. Trump is a bad guy. History shows us what happens when you demonize entire groups . DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #37

also a girlfriend, wife, mother, sister, daughter, niece... lunamagica Apr 2016 #34

Never worked historically BlindTiresias Apr 2016 #105

Trump's not getting the nomination TheFarseer Apr 2016 #91

hmm... can you use your crystal bowl to pick the future winners at the track for me? CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #98

Go patronize somebody else. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #102

Agree to disagree TheFarseer Apr 2016 #132

K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #178

Why, thank you. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #180

This country could do far far far worse than HRC as president. I want a democrat in the WH 2016, RKP5637 Apr 2016 #184

Thank you again. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #186

That's not a Sanders' supporter. JimDandy Apr 2016 #38

Yep. And Trump won't get the nod from the GOP either. Kittycat Apr 2016 #47

I'm still pulling for Trump to ge the nomination CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #99

they are a realist MFM008 Apr 2016 #79

I'm still voting for Kucinich! Codeine Apr 2016 #94

Yea baby!!! Remember his posting of ftp files on his congressional website...stopped Deibold Cold!!! Lostnote Apr 2016 #135

Reads to me like an endorsement for Drumpf. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #53

FUCK that. John Poet Apr 2016 #140

Millions of Democrats disagree with you. nt Cali_Democrat Apr 2016 #141

and? Millions of Democrats are pretty fucked up ideologically, John Poet Apr 2016 #157

This is Democratic Underground, not "Not Hillary Underground" nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #3

Funny how those phrases bear a certain equivalency. bvf Apr 2016 #12

In what respect, Charlie? KittyWampus Apr 2016 #58

It's also not Independents Underground or Republicans Underground or Rand Paul Underground LonePirate Apr 2016 #15

Not ready to throw in the towel yet. TDale313 Apr 2016 #5

i have yet to see much from her policy-wise that appeals to me mooseprime Apr 2016 #6

This ain't over yet Politicalboi Apr 2016 #7

Jill Stein President? COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #63

Jill Stein couldn't get elected anywhere in MA. And you think she'll become President? WOW! IamMab Apr 2016 #95

Don't laugh... CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #103

You should delete this post. This is DEMOCRATIC undergroud, NOT Bernie Underground. beaglelover Apr 2016 #8

Opinions are not welcome? arcane1 Apr 2016 #60

Hillary and her toadies want everyone to just sit down, STFU, & do as they're told... Yurovsky Apr 2016 #162

She is presenting a great challenge to the nose holding abilities and willingness to do so. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #9

So you consider Obama to be a crappy candidate in 2008 and 2012? LonePirate Apr 2016 #17

Yep. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #18

Then why are you wasting your time here instead of on FR or some other fringe site? LonePirate Apr 2016 #21

I'm not a Republican and frown on lunatics. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #22

"I'm an Independent". Meaning you have commitment issues. randome Apr 2016 #71

Is it "fashionable" to be in the majority? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #106

An ideologue. No, not even close. You don't need to belong to a party if you don't want to. randome Apr 2016 #144

Why choose between two crappy choices-it isn't like we have to belong to a party artislife Apr 2016 #108

This message was self-deleted by its author DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #139

Great question. For me the answer must be one of two Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #57

Maybe we should question how much good the Democrats artislife Apr 2016 #109

Even if the only difference were SC appointments and the resulting Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #110

The SCOTUS is being handed its ass by the state right's this week artislife Apr 2016 #113

Because it's a public website Rob H. Apr 2016 #87

Because she isn't a binary fucking idiot. Got more questions? DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #138

She doesn't like the current Dem President and is unhappy with the likely next Dem President LonePirate Apr 2016 #147

How can anyone say she'd be better than Trump? Avalux Apr 2016 #10

If Trump is worse? How can anyone who posts here make such a ridiculous statement? LonePirate Apr 2016 #19

Bernie promises a lot of things that he knows he can't deliver redstateblues Apr 2016 #27

My post was not about Bernie. Avalux Apr 2016 #45

On women's rights alone she is better than Trump. KittyWampus Apr 2016 #69

Trump *might* not be worse. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2016 #49

And he'll be booted out of office if he's a disaster. Avalux Apr 2016 #52

I don't see Trump subscribing to the boundaries of the democratic process. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2016 #54

Precisely why he'd be booted. Avalux Apr 2016 #55

Except the damage that it would take to get him out of the office would be substantial. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2016 #62

So what happens when Hillary decides to bomb Iran? Avalux Apr 2016 #67

What if the sun refused to shine? What if the clouds refused to rain? Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2016 #70

Here's my point. Avalux Apr 2016 #75

Sanders lied on national tv TWICE last week desperately trying pander KittyWampus Apr 2016 #66

Verison lies and the list goes on...nt fun n serious Apr 2016 #86

When you compare them to Hillary's transgressions, they seem so small. artislife Apr 2016 #111

Say... sasmath Apr 2016 #68

Then you're not a Democrat. Beacool Apr 2016 #118

Yes I am. n/t Avalux Apr 2016 #122

I'm moving to Canada and then hanging myself just to be sure. Codeine Apr 2016 #11

No, I saw your keys stuck to the burrito in your couch cushion. giftedgirl77 Apr 2016 #26

Somebody needs to come up with a Dem primary corollary to Poe's Law whatthehey Apr 2016 #13

I've already got two corollaries for Godwin's Law, Poe's can't be too hard. VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #148

Exactly! Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #14

the sad truth Kittycat Apr 2016 #51

And yet she's inspired more people to vote for her mythology Apr 2016 #92

Yea, the south. Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #104

Damn those black voters! GulfCoast66 Apr 2016 #161

Yeah. I'm a freaking racist Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #168

^^^This. artislife Apr 2016 #112

I'm going to become a stock broker. dinkytron Apr 2016 #16

I'm going to hide out in a cave in the wilderness... Binkie The Clown Apr 2016 #20

There will be a trap door to awesomeness, Bink. Trust me. SHE is too dirty. Something will stick dinkytron Apr 2016 #24

God I hope so! ozone_man Apr 2016 #121

Bernie tore up NYC. So many big moments. Picket lines, capacity crowds.Hillary performed in a racist dinkytron Apr 2016 #133

But you all know she will never be president. basselope Apr 2016 #25

Sure, you saw it in your crystal ball. Beacool Apr 2016 #119

It doesnt take a crystal ball to figure this out. basselope Apr 2016 #130

And if you can't hold your nose, don't stay home - VOTE DOWNTICKET for Bernie's REAL democracy 2020! floppyboo Apr 2016 #146

That's the plan, though if any of 'em align with Third Way, they're getting skipped too. VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #150

I dislike Hillary. I like Bernie a lot. She would be a zillion times better than Trump. HERVEPA Apr 2016 #28

STAGE FIVE! THEY FINALLY HIT STAGE FIVE, FOLKS! Tarc Apr 2016 #30

That shit took FOREVER! Codeine Apr 2016 #123

So TheFarseer Apr 2016 #127

Wait til.step.9 SwampG8r Apr 2016 #142

Reminds me of Kevin Bacon at the end of "Animal House"... Yurovsky Apr 2016 #163

I live in Nebraska so I don't feel my vote counts anyway TheFarseer Apr 2016 #171

I thought clowns were happy. nt hack89 Apr 2016 #31

So the "worst" is Hillary becoming our candidate? apnu Apr 2016 #32

I cannot get around the war, fracking, and TPP stuff. And she is willing to put abortion djean111 Apr 2016 #35

That's fine. If you're against her positions. apnu Apr 2016 #41

I cannot feel the same way you do. IMO, Hillary would betray anybody. djean111 Apr 2016 #44

"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself" apnu Apr 2016 #46

Nice words, but I am afraid of war, and poisoning the earth with fracking. And losing social djean111 Apr 2016 #50

Don't be afraid. Stand up and fight. We got this. apnu Apr 2016 #72

Some of us got knocked on our asses the last time a Clinton jwirr Apr 2016 #74

Yeah I know. I was there. apnu Apr 2016 #81

I am referring to the results of their welfare reform and jwirr Apr 2016 #97

That so-called welfare reform was a real betrayal. potone Apr 2016 #166

Our party was there until Clinton. If you take a look at how jwirr Apr 2016 #172

You don't get up from a bullet if it's aimed right. VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #151

If I am to believe your post sasmath Apr 2016 #80

YES! Yes I will. apnu Apr 2016 #84

You may not be aware of this, but many of us do not do the pledgey thing loyalty oath, here at DU. djean111 Apr 2016 #85

So, don't vote for her then. Bye. beaglelover Apr 2016 #88

One of the best, most honest posts on DU in a long time. redstateblues Apr 2016 #42

Thank you! apnu Apr 2016 #43

Hillary will be the nominee. I suggest you move to Canada. bigwillq Apr 2016 #36

Good Gawd alcibiades_mystery Apr 2016 #39

As a Bernie supporter... Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #40

Umm....one has credentials as a Senator, Secretary of State and actively involved First Lady. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2016 #48

Have you tried channeling your energy into volunteering for Bernie? nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #56

Binkie The Clown, you haven't seen doom & destruction until Republicans take away healthcare, minim Sunlei Apr 2016 #61

not going there..primary season ends june 7 and then we have the convention restorefreedom Apr 2016 #64

Sorry that is not even close to the worst that could happen Marrah_G Apr 2016 #65

Welcome to the REAL WORLD!! Lil Missy Apr 2016 #73

Thank you RNC...LOL!! Bill USA Apr 2016 #76

It's funny how the hysteria here at GD:P seems to be a one-way street. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2016 #77

+ 1 JoePhilly Apr 2016 #83

Clinton only has a 91% chance of being the nominee Gothmog Apr 2016 #78

lol, she is no different than Obama policy wise. Did he destroy the country? nt BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #90

She is a little more aggressive than Obama on military intervention. liberal_at_heart Apr 2016 #101

You seem confused mythology Apr 2016 #96

You're forgetting a little thing called the FBI. Waiting For Everyman Apr 2016 #100

This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #115

She won't win the GE artislife Apr 2016 #107

Only on "Sanders Underground" would a supposed Democrat make that comment. Beacool Apr 2016 #120

I'm thinking more like on Republican Underground. shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #126

I fracking care about this planet and so do the millennials who will be living on it artislife Apr 2016 #129

Agree! Hillary supporters Califonz Apr 2016 #143

first, we need to prepare for the disaster bigtree Apr 2016 #116

What's "gloom and doom" to some, it's great news to others. Beacool Apr 2016 #117

Ive assumed from the get-go that she would be the nominee. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #124

I'd might as well do the job for her and cap myself if she gets the presidency. VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #153

Oh for pity's sake shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #125

what about the supreme court? realmirage Apr 2016 #128

If she is then we are going to get Trump Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2016 #131

Binkie you clown... you're such a tease, lol. WheelWalker Apr 2016 #136

Slight correction: Hillary will NEVER, EVER be my candidate. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #137

I fear the worst may happen, Hillary may become our candidate... Chan790 Apr 2016 #145

I get it! She's not a REAL Democrat, right? brooklynite Apr 2016 #149

LOL..... Adrahil Apr 2016 #152

Worse, if she's our candidate and the GOP manages to out-maneuver Trump, lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #154

The Democratic Convention is one week after the Republican one Califonz Apr 2016 #155

Hi there undercover Republican. shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #156

Right; because Bernie is so much more "Republican" than Hillary. Binkie The Clown Apr 2016 #158

Bernie's no Repug. Pretty sure you are though. Hi there undercover Republican. shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #159

No, I won't dispute such ridiculous trolling. Binkie The Clown Apr 2016 #160

On policy, I think a Hillary presidency would look very similar to a Bernie lovemydog Apr 2016 #164

I hate to be a gloom and doom pessimist, but I fear the worst may happen and... WhenTheLeveeBreaks Apr 2016 #165

It's pick your poison between Hillary, Trump or any other Republican. I'm not choosing poison. ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #167

Realistically: she'd be way better than Trump (or Cruz, Kasich) on policy and tone; so would Bernie muriel_volestrangler Apr 2016 #169

Muriel, you're a Hillary supporter who can't even make a case for her BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #173

Isn't it nice when you can surround yourself only with voices that agree with you? brooklynite Apr 2016 #175

No, I'm neutral. I'm British, so I don't vote in the general election, let alone a primary muriel_volestrangler Apr 2016 #187

If Clinton becomes the nominee, and I don't think that she will, she'll triangulate neoconservative. w4rma Apr 2016 #170

Think about this: what were their confident predictions for this Vatican invite? LadyHawkAZ Apr 2016 #174

Oh noes! Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #176

IMHO - A Vote For HRC In The Primary Is A Vote For Trump In The General - Trump Can Easily Win cantbeserious Apr 2016 #179

silly... hrc will kick his butt soundly... eom artyteacher Apr 2016 #181

Wishful Thinking At Best cantbeserious Apr 2016 #182

As others have already said you need to grow the fuck up. actslikeacarrot Apr 2016 #185