2016 Postmortem

Warren DeMontague

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124. Ive assumed from the get-go that she would be the nominee.

Reply to Binkie The Clown (Original post)

Wed Apr 13, 2016, 07:49 PM

Apr 2016

And in that case I strenuously hope she can win the GE, which she should be able to do given the clusterfuck that is the GOP right now... But of course she could snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, not just by running the exceedingly lame campaign she has been, but by letting surrogates like DWS continue to alienate millennials and demand longer prison sentences for medical marijuana users, that sort of thing...

But recalling a pertinent Chuck Yeager quote, she may win anyway despite her shitty advisors, etc.

In which case we can probably expect more of the same, with a few changes. Better than the alternative, absolutely.

Expect an executive branch more committed to doing away with things like strong encryption, bringing back the clipper chip.. Maybe even demonstrating "bipartisanship" by trying to resurrect those 90s "communications decency" laws, or outlawing flag burning.

...probably as much of a ramping up of the drug war as they can reasonably get away with, which isnt all that much given reality.

...a slightly more "muscular" foreign policy.

I think the people who will be upset/disappointed will be the people who have hailed HRC as the candidate of the "subaltern" or whatever. In reality, a Hillary presidency wont change a whole lot, except maybe bring things like a more strongly pro-likud Israel foreign policy approach.

But Somehow I dont think that is what those people had in mind.

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I hate to be a gloom and doom pessimist, but I fear the worst may happen and... [View all] Binkie The Clown Apr 2016 OP

Oh noes not HRC she will end America as we know it. giftedgirl77 Apr 2016 #1

DOOM! GLOOM! The end of the world as COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #59

Oh noes indeed rock Apr 2016 #82

Don't faint. For all that you love, Don't faint. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #89

Don't worry rock Apr 2016 #93

KInd of sucks to be the flyer... nt COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #134

Actually yes, accelerating climate change ensures that America as we know it will end riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #114

Don't sell her short.... daleanime Apr 2016 #177

Too late for that, her husband already did. KPN Apr 2016 #183

Congratulations. Cali_Democrat Apr 2016 #2

And we were there to help him through every stage./nt DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #4

I have a question for you azurnoir Apr 2016 #23

Anybody with a glbtq friend, a Muslim friend, a Latino friend... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #29

I see well we can hope so azurnoir Apr 2016 #33

Hopefully. Trump is a bad guy. History shows us what happens when you demonize entire groups . DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #37

also a girlfriend, wife, mother, sister, daughter, niece... lunamagica Apr 2016 #34

Never worked historically BlindTiresias Apr 2016 #105

Trump's not getting the nomination TheFarseer Apr 2016 #91

hmm... can you use your crystal bowl to pick the future winners at the track for me? CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #98

Go patronize somebody else. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #102

Agree to disagree TheFarseer Apr 2016 #132

K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #178

Why, thank you. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #180

This country could do far far far worse than HRC as president. I want a democrat in the WH 2016, RKP5637 Apr 2016 #184

Thank you again. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #186

That's not a Sanders' supporter. JimDandy Apr 2016 #38

Yep. And Trump won't get the nod from the GOP either. Kittycat Apr 2016 #47

I'm still pulling for Trump to ge the nomination CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #99

they are a realist MFM008 Apr 2016 #79

I'm still voting for Kucinich! Codeine Apr 2016 #94

Yea baby!!! Remember his posting of ftp files on his congressional website...stopped Deibold Cold!!! Lostnote Apr 2016 #135

Reads to me like an endorsement for Drumpf. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #53

FUCK that. John Poet Apr 2016 #140

Millions of Democrats disagree with you. nt Cali_Democrat Apr 2016 #141

and? Millions of Democrats are pretty fucked up ideologically, John Poet Apr 2016 #157

This is Democratic Underground, not "Not Hillary Underground" nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #3

Funny how those phrases bear a certain equivalency. bvf Apr 2016 #12

In what respect, Charlie? KittyWampus Apr 2016 #58

It's also not Independents Underground or Republicans Underground or Rand Paul Underground LonePirate Apr 2016 #15

Not ready to throw in the towel yet. TDale313 Apr 2016 #5

i have yet to see much from her policy-wise that appeals to me mooseprime Apr 2016 #6

This ain't over yet Politicalboi Apr 2016 #7

Jill Stein President? COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #63

Jill Stein couldn't get elected anywhere in MA. And you think she'll become President? WOW! IamMab Apr 2016 #95

Don't laugh... CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #103

You should delete this post. This is DEMOCRATIC undergroud, NOT Bernie Underground. beaglelover Apr 2016 #8

Opinions are not welcome? arcane1 Apr 2016 #60

Hillary and her toadies want everyone to just sit down, STFU, & do as they're told... Yurovsky Apr 2016 #162

She is presenting a great challenge to the nose holding abilities and willingness to do so. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #9

So you consider Obama to be a crappy candidate in 2008 and 2012? LonePirate Apr 2016 #17

Yep. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #18

Then why are you wasting your time here instead of on FR or some other fringe site? LonePirate Apr 2016 #21

I'm not a Republican and frown on lunatics. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #22

"I'm an Independent". Meaning you have commitment issues. randome Apr 2016 #71

Is it "fashionable" to be in the majority? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #106

An ideologue. No, not even close. You don't need to belong to a party if you don't want to. randome Apr 2016 #144

Why choose between two crappy choices-it isn't like we have to belong to a party artislife Apr 2016 #108

This message was self-deleted by its author DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #139

Great question. For me the answer must be one of two Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #57

Maybe we should question how much good the Democrats artislife Apr 2016 #109

Even if the only difference were SC appointments and the resulting Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #110

The SCOTUS is being handed its ass by the state right's this week artislife Apr 2016 #113

Because it's a public website Rob H. Apr 2016 #87

Because she isn't a binary fucking idiot. Got more questions? DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #138

She doesn't like the current Dem President and is unhappy with the likely next Dem President LonePirate Apr 2016 #147

How can anyone say she'd be better than Trump? Avalux Apr 2016 #10

If Trump is worse? How can anyone who posts here make such a ridiculous statement? LonePirate Apr 2016 #19

Bernie promises a lot of things that he knows he can't deliver redstateblues Apr 2016 #27

My post was not about Bernie. Avalux Apr 2016 #45

On women's rights alone she is better than Trump. KittyWampus Apr 2016 #69

Trump *might* not be worse. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2016 #49

And he'll be booted out of office if he's a disaster. Avalux Apr 2016 #52

I don't see Trump subscribing to the boundaries of the democratic process. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2016 #54

Precisely why he'd be booted. Avalux Apr 2016 #55

Except the damage that it would take to get him out of the office would be substantial. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2016 #62

So what happens when Hillary decides to bomb Iran? Avalux Apr 2016 #67

What if the sun refused to shine? What if the clouds refused to rain? Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2016 #70

Here's my point. Avalux Apr 2016 #75

Sanders lied on national tv TWICE last week desperately trying pander KittyWampus Apr 2016 #66

Verison lies and the list goes on...nt fun n serious Apr 2016 #86

When you compare them to Hillary's transgressions, they seem so small. artislife Apr 2016 #111

Say... sasmath Apr 2016 #68

Then you're not a Democrat. Beacool Apr 2016 #118

Yes I am. n/t Avalux Apr 2016 #122

I'm moving to Canada and then hanging myself just to be sure. Codeine Apr 2016 #11

No, I saw your keys stuck to the burrito in your couch cushion. giftedgirl77 Apr 2016 #26

Somebody needs to come up with a Dem primary corollary to Poe's Law whatthehey Apr 2016 #13

I've already got two corollaries for Godwin's Law, Poe's can't be too hard. VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #148

Exactly! Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #14

the sad truth Kittycat Apr 2016 #51

And yet she's inspired more people to vote for her mythology Apr 2016 #92

Yea, the south. Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #104

Damn those black voters! GulfCoast66 Apr 2016 #161

Yeah. I'm a freaking racist Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #168

^^^This. artislife Apr 2016 #112

I'm going to become a stock broker. dinkytron Apr 2016 #16

I'm going to hide out in a cave in the wilderness... Binkie The Clown Apr 2016 #20

There will be a trap door to awesomeness, Bink. Trust me. SHE is too dirty. Something will stick dinkytron Apr 2016 #24

God I hope so! ozone_man Apr 2016 #121

Bernie tore up NYC. So many big moments. Picket lines, capacity crowds.Hillary performed in a racist dinkytron Apr 2016 #133

But you all know she will never be president. basselope Apr 2016 #25

Sure, you saw it in your crystal ball. Beacool Apr 2016 #119

It doesnt take a crystal ball to figure this out. basselope Apr 2016 #130

And if you can't hold your nose, don't stay home - VOTE DOWNTICKET for Bernie's REAL democracy 2020! floppyboo Apr 2016 #146

That's the plan, though if any of 'em align with Third Way, they're getting skipped too. VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #150

I dislike Hillary. I like Bernie a lot. She would be a zillion times better than Trump. HERVEPA Apr 2016 #28

STAGE FIVE! THEY FINALLY HIT STAGE FIVE, FOLKS! Tarc Apr 2016 #30

That shit took FOREVER! Codeine Apr 2016 #123

So TheFarseer Apr 2016 #127

Wait til.step.9 SwampG8r Apr 2016 #142

Reminds me of Kevin Bacon at the end of "Animal House"... Yurovsky Apr 2016 #163

I live in Nebraska so I don't feel my vote counts anyway TheFarseer Apr 2016 #171

I thought clowns were happy. nt hack89 Apr 2016 #31

So the "worst" is Hillary becoming our candidate? apnu Apr 2016 #32

I cannot get around the war, fracking, and TPP stuff. And she is willing to put abortion djean111 Apr 2016 #35

That's fine. If you're against her positions. apnu Apr 2016 #41

I cannot feel the same way you do. IMO, Hillary would betray anybody. djean111 Apr 2016 #44

"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself" apnu Apr 2016 #46

Nice words, but I am afraid of war, and poisoning the earth with fracking. And losing social djean111 Apr 2016 #50

Don't be afraid. Stand up and fight. We got this. apnu Apr 2016 #72

Some of us got knocked on our asses the last time a Clinton jwirr Apr 2016 #74

Yeah I know. I was there. apnu Apr 2016 #81

I am referring to the results of their welfare reform and jwirr Apr 2016 #97

That so-called welfare reform was a real betrayal. potone Apr 2016 #166

Our party was there until Clinton. If you take a look at how jwirr Apr 2016 #172

You don't get up from a bullet if it's aimed right. VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #151

If I am to believe your post sasmath Apr 2016 #80

YES! Yes I will. apnu Apr 2016 #84

You may not be aware of this, but many of us do not do the pledgey thing loyalty oath, here at DU. djean111 Apr 2016 #85

So, don't vote for her then. Bye. beaglelover Apr 2016 #88

One of the best, most honest posts on DU in a long time. redstateblues Apr 2016 #42

Thank you! apnu Apr 2016 #43

Hillary will be the nominee. I suggest you move to Canada. bigwillq Apr 2016 #36

Good Gawd alcibiades_mystery Apr 2016 #39

As a Bernie supporter... Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #40

Umm....one has credentials as a Senator, Secretary of State and actively involved First Lady. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2016 #48

Have you tried channeling your energy into volunteering for Bernie? nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #56

Binkie The Clown, you haven't seen doom & destruction until Republicans take away healthcare, minim Sunlei Apr 2016 #61

not going there..primary season ends june 7 and then we have the convention restorefreedom Apr 2016 #64

Sorry that is not even close to the worst that could happen Marrah_G Apr 2016 #65

Welcome to the REAL WORLD!! Lil Missy Apr 2016 #73

Thank you RNC...LOL!! Bill USA Apr 2016 #76

It's funny how the hysteria here at GD:P seems to be a one-way street. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2016 #77

+ 1 JoePhilly Apr 2016 #83

Clinton only has a 91% chance of being the nominee Gothmog Apr 2016 #78

lol, she is no different than Obama policy wise. Did he destroy the country? nt BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #90

She is a little more aggressive than Obama on military intervention. liberal_at_heart Apr 2016 #101

You seem confused mythology Apr 2016 #96

You're forgetting a little thing called the FBI. Waiting For Everyman Apr 2016 #100

This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #115

She won't win the GE artislife Apr 2016 #107

Only on "Sanders Underground" would a supposed Democrat make that comment. Beacool Apr 2016 #120

I'm thinking more like on Republican Underground. shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #126

I fracking care about this planet and so do the millennials who will be living on it artislife Apr 2016 #129

Agree! Hillary supporters Califonz Apr 2016 #143

first, we need to prepare for the disaster bigtree Apr 2016 #116

What's "gloom and doom" to some, it's great news to others. Beacool Apr 2016 #117

Ive assumed from the get-go that she would be the nominee. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #124

I'd might as well do the job for her and cap myself if she gets the presidency. VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #153

Oh for pity's sake shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #125

what about the supreme court? realmirage Apr 2016 #128

If she is then we are going to get Trump Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2016 #131

Binkie you clown... you're such a tease, lol. WheelWalker Apr 2016 #136

Slight correction: Hillary will NEVER, EVER be my candidate. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #137

I fear the worst may happen, Hillary may become our candidate... Chan790 Apr 2016 #145

I get it! She's not a REAL Democrat, right? brooklynite Apr 2016 #149

LOL..... Adrahil Apr 2016 #152

Worse, if she's our candidate and the GOP manages to out-maneuver Trump, lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #154

The Democratic Convention is one week after the Republican one Califonz Apr 2016 #155

Hi there undercover Republican. shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #156

Right; because Bernie is so much more "Republican" than Hillary. Binkie The Clown Apr 2016 #158

Bernie's no Repug. Pretty sure you are though. Hi there undercover Republican. shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #159

No, I won't dispute such ridiculous trolling. Binkie The Clown Apr 2016 #160

On policy, I think a Hillary presidency would look very similar to a Bernie lovemydog Apr 2016 #164

I hate to be a gloom and doom pessimist, but I fear the worst may happen and... WhenTheLeveeBreaks Apr 2016 #165

It's pick your poison between Hillary, Trump or any other Republican. I'm not choosing poison. ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #167

Realistically: she'd be way better than Trump (or Cruz, Kasich) on policy and tone; so would Bernie muriel_volestrangler Apr 2016 #169

Muriel, you're a Hillary supporter who can't even make a case for her BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #173

Isn't it nice when you can surround yourself only with voices that agree with you? brooklynite Apr 2016 #175

No, I'm neutral. I'm British, so I don't vote in the general election, let alone a primary muriel_volestrangler Apr 2016 #187

If Clinton becomes the nominee, and I don't think that she will, she'll triangulate neoconservative. w4rma Apr 2016 #170

Think about this: what were their confident predictions for this Vatican invite? LadyHawkAZ Apr 2016 #174

Oh noes! Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #176

IMHO - A Vote For HRC In The Primary Is A Vote For Trump In The General - Trump Can Easily Win cantbeserious Apr 2016 #179

silly... hrc will kick his butt soundly... eom artyteacher Apr 2016 #181

Wishful Thinking At Best cantbeserious Apr 2016 #182

As others have already said you need to grow the fuck up. actslikeacarrot Apr 2016 #185