2016 Postmortem

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128. Between 2000 and 2002 is when I saw that something new was going to buikd

Reply to cantbeserious (Reply #126)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 07:44 PM

Apr 2016

it has been slow and should have started in 1981 when raygun removed the solar panels from the white house

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Hey, Democrats, stop gloating � your party is imploding right before your eyes, too [View all] bemildred Apr 2016 OP

Ugh, another white Bernie Bro castigating Clinton supporters geek tragedy Apr 2016 #1

Oh ffs, give it a rest. He said pragmatists not minorities. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author Vilis Veritas Apr 2016 #3

We have been captured by the Corporations. Downwinder Apr 2016 #8

Many of those who defend it have not been captured so much as they were born into it. leveymg Apr 2016 #82

I don't entirely like that about it, I think he has a point and ruins it by getting partisan. bemildred Apr 2016 #4

There has been change over the past 8 years geek tragedy Apr 2016 #6

The public is not that bright, but anybody at all can tell whether they are not being treated well. bemildred Apr 2016 #7

That seems axiomatic--if the 8 years have been good to someone geek tragedy Apr 2016 #13

Reason will only take you so a far. This the voting public, not an academic debate. bemildred Apr 2016 #18

Which happens only if people know geek tragedy Apr 2016 #41

Which happens sooner or later regardless. bemildred Apr 2016 #47

President Obama is above 50% approval rating. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #58

Yeah, he is doing fine, I wish he could run again. bemildred Apr 2016 #61

yes, but the real problem is Republicans. Two party system can't function geek tragedy Apr 2016 #62

Congress is the key, always has been. nt bemildred Apr 2016 #63

the key is to vote more when pissed off, not vote less geek tragedy Apr 2016 #65

If you don't vote, you don't get a say. nt bemildred Apr 2016 #69

I disagree. The real problem is financial corruption. Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #86

Obama years and Clinton years were a lot better than Bush years. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #87

That's like winning a tallest leprechaun contest. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #89

that's democracy, worst form of government geek tragedy Apr 2016 #90

I disagree and so do many academics. We are an oligarchy. Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #92

there is an outsized influence of money on elections. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #93

He threw a lot of money right back. He's a neoliberal, acceptable to TPTB. Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #98

I disagree with all of that. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #101

Disagreement with good will and respect! n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #102

No Constitutional amendment should have been needed lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #106

Wait till people feel the impact of TPP Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #119

The problem is very real nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #130

Thanks Nadin, I've seen this before. bemildred Apr 2016 #132

Yeah, because Stockholm is beedle Apr 2016 #5

You must be new here. nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #15

A better job? Carolina Apr 2016 #12

That's some rank tea you're selling. Darb Apr 2016 #27

You've refuted every one of Carolina's points. frylock Apr 2016 #122

I think you mean his bullshit opinions that, curiously Darb Apr 2016 #133

Anything short of praise for Madame Secretary sounds like Limbaugh talking points to your crowd. frylock Apr 2016 #135

You really can't handle the truth?! Carolina Apr 2016 #129

Did you write that drivel? Or is the Time cover the link? Darb Apr 2016 #134

You seem nice. frylock Apr 2016 #136

Opinion? Carolina Apr 2016 #137

Every thing she does is a stepping stone in her quest for the White House. Autumn Apr 2016 #59

Disgusting racist sexist remark. n/t Ghost Dog Apr 2016 #44

Your concern is noted nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #45

If you are going to rip anything out of context, how about this, "bro"? Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #46

Good job, you managed to imply racism right off the bat LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #50

Not so much Stockhom Syndrome... Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #72

Imploding? a tad hyperbolic in a Scorched Earth sort of way. Sheepshank Apr 2016 #73

the Naderite left is attempting a hostile takeover much like the alt-right is trying a takeover of geek tragedy Apr 2016 #74

Yes, I know, if Hillary finishes the purchase of the democratic party.... daleanime Apr 2016 #77

yeah, Hillary never fights with Republicans or anyone other geek tragedy Apr 2016 #79

And I'm unreasonable? daleanime Apr 2016 #83

see, when you make stuff up like "pro-screwing over the working class" geek tragedy Apr 2016 #84

FFS. Phlem Apr 2016 #76

"Stockholm Syndrome" ... this again? NurseJackie Apr 2016 #9

over and over we see this silly drama!!. Boring riversedge Apr 2016 #14

Well, it's a lovely city...although I doubt that millions of Dem. voters know it very well. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #21

Oh the DRAMA!! No fear!! Hillary will save you all riversedge Apr 2016 #10

Save us from what? Single payer healthcare? Peace? Good jobs? Fawke Em Apr 2016 #31

nah--perhaps from yourselves. riversedge Apr 2016 #125

Well, you are right. If she fails to lose the nomination.... daleanime Apr 2016 #37

Save us from marijuana legalization, gee thanks! B Calm Apr 2016 #67

It deserves to implode. nt m-lekktor Apr 2016 #11

There's some truth to that and maybe it's long overdue. Vinca Apr 2016 #16

Thanks, that's it. And the rank and file has finally figured out they've been had. nt bemildred Apr 2016 #19

"edging" to the Right. bvar22 Apr 2016 #111

right: the party's rotted down to "send them BACK!" "kick their ASS and take their GAS!" "drill HERE MisterP Apr 2016 #131

This is simply the dream of Paul supporters who have been drummed out of the republican party. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #17

+ 1 JoePhilly Apr 2016 #23

Bullsh*t RiverLover Apr 2016 #24

No bullshit about it. The facts are clear. Dems are voting overwhelmingly for Clinton. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #29

So says the morningnightcap.com? Darb Apr 2016 #30

Standing ovation!! Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #56

Nope. You'll see this fall if she's the nominee. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #32

Exactly right, all of it. nt Bobbie Jo Apr 2016 #42

Key words....enable and sponsor democrank Apr 2016 #20

Yes, a lot of the action is in the primaries now. That's the gatekeeper in the system. bemildred Apr 2016 #22

After the general election? Fawke Em Apr 2016 #35

Depending on how this primary ends a split could arise at some point. Jefferson23 Apr 2016 #25

Yes, I expect split conventions and things like that, not seen in a long time. bemildred Apr 2016 #28

Ok, I can see that distinction. I think the party may split for good. This "conversation" Jefferson23 Apr 2016 #33

Yeah. If somebody wants to lead, they better get out in front. nt bemildred Apr 2016 #36

See, I think that message is getting through: bemildred Apr 2016 #38

Yes, we're not anyhere near as off the cliff as the Republicans. I did not mean to suggest Jefferson23 Apr 2016 #53

I concur. So do I, no need to apologize, your comment was correct. That was the wrong word. bemildred Apr 2016 #57

Yea, that is a good bet, my friend. Jefferson23 Apr 2016 #60

I am constantly amused..... Adrahil Apr 2016 #26

When you are over on the right wing anything towards the center looks fringe to you LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #54

"Right wing pundits�a sad and desperate lot at the moment.." KoKo Apr 2016 #71

Destroy the Republican Party and set-up One Party Rule PeoViejo Apr 2016 #34

"Queen Hillary as Regent" Paladin Apr 2016 #40

K to the R.. disillusioned73 Apr 2016 #39

The big difference is randr Apr 2016 #43

Debbie, someone just called your strategy what it is: Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #48

They don't care. They don't need us little people anyway. We get in the way DebDoo Apr 2016 #49

I'll save my gloating for January, 2017. RandySF Apr 2016 #51

That is correct. I support HRC because I'm too fucking stupid to know I'm being duped. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #52

Or b/c you are a republican. basselope Apr 2016 #75

Why do you support her actually? Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #88

War in the Middle East was going on before she arrived (for like 2000 years), and will continue. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #91

OMG, you support fracking??? n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #94

Regulated and monitored (unlike now). Yes. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #105

I'm a geology buff. please explain why fracking could ever possibly be safe. Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #107

IF a fracking well is properly designed, drilled, installed, and closed, it's safe. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #114

this addresses water. what about earthquakes? Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #115

Earthquakes result from injecting waste water into closed wells. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #116

Sweet Jesus. Before fracking Kansas and Oklahoma didn't have earthquakes. Now Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #109

It's not the fracking, it's the deep injection of waste water. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #113

I know that. It's a distinction with out a difference. Shame on you!!! n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #117

No. If you complete the fracking operation, cap the well, and walk away -- no earthquakes. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #120

Permanently removing fresh water from the biosphere. Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #121

you said it not me ibegurpard Apr 2016 #110

This is one of the best articles. Bonobo Apr 2016 #55

k&R!!! Down with the Vichy Dems Katashi_itto Apr 2016 #64

Yep, just like the party fell apart in 2008. Orsino Apr 2016 #66

Implosion following 20 years of shrinking. MrTriumph Apr 2016 #68

The FBI will have the last laugh. Waiting For Everyman Apr 2016 #70

I absolutely agree with all you say yourpaljoey Apr 2016 #78

Lemmings, running off a cliff, heaping scorn on those of us trying to stop them. Punkingal Apr 2016 #81

They don't want the party saved if it means they lose influence Fumesucker Apr 2016 #85

Nope. Iliyah Apr 2016 #80

"Stockholm Syndrome" workinclasszero Apr 2016 #95

What is "racist" about Stockholm Syndrome, bvar22 Apr 2016 #112

"victims of the Stockholm Syndrome " Not that shit again? bettyellen Apr 2016 #96

Let it burn. The oligarchy has to perish, by ballot, blade, or blaze. VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #97

Thank you bemildred kr PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #99

yes it is indeed azurnoir Apr 2016 #100

There is a shocking decrease in civility between the 2008 primaries & today. catbyte Apr 2016 #103

With the same boomerang effect in both parties carolinayellowdog Apr 2016 #118

We all know what the commonality between 2008 and 2016 is. frylock Apr 2016 #123

yes, and what a horrifying prospect if 2020 carolinayellowdog Apr 2016 #124

Stockholm Syndrome again. Disgusting. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #104

It seems to be doing quite well for Democrats - Hillary and her supporters Lil Missy Apr 2016 #108

This Revolt Has Been Building For Years - The DWS, DNC, DLC, Third-Way Has Only Themselves To Blame cantbeserious Apr 2016 #126

Between 2000 and 2002 is when I saw that something new was going to buikd SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #128

"...Stockholm Syndrome that afflicts so many so-called 'pragmatists'..." pat_k Apr 2016 #127