2016 Postmortem

Hortensis

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50. As in we don't get to screw "them" and do

Fri Apr 15, 2016, 07:48 AM

Apr 2016

whatever we want? If so, yes. More people wanted flag burning made illegal than not. That's reality, and this is a democracy. So far the good guys won on this, but I am afraid by default.

Mitch McConnell and other GOP leaders just up and decided that Republicans wouldn't get upset about flag burning anymore, so their media stopped reporting on it and they stopped agitating about it, so kids stopped burning flags to get attention. You won't like the reason. They wanted to get Citizens United passed claiming money as free speech so they couldn't be seen arguing against free speech at the same time for others. At some time, though, it'll be useful for them to start yammering about flag burning again, so they will. Welcome to the world.

Oh, yes, and I am going to vote for a Democrat who was willing to allow kids in jail for burning flags, though at least not enthusiastic, because she is easily, several times over, the best of the pack, and we agree far more often than we disagree.

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Hillary sponsored a Senate bill for a $100,000 fine and one year in jail for FLAG BURNING [View all] Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 OP

context? bettyellen Apr 2016 #1

Authoritarian jingoistic pandering? Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #3

Perfect answer. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #18

Yes and no to "jingoistic pandering." Hortensis Apr 2016 #22

Sounds like the same bullshit argument used to justify DOMA. Kentonio Apr 2016 #41

As in we don't get to screw "them" and do Hortensis Apr 2016 #50

More people supporting something has never been enough to get a constitutional amendment passed. Kentonio Apr 2016 #54

Stop pretending that other people don't matter. Hortensis Apr 2016 #55

4/5th of the population were not going to support a constitutional amendment on flag burning Kentonio Apr 2016 #56

I'm talking about all the silly intolerant extremism spouted here. Hortensis Apr 2016 #58

What does any of this have to do with Hillary showing appalling judgement Kentonio Apr 2016 #60

No, it's not reality. The bill of rights was put there to protect citizens against both government Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #76

And yet, The bar to actually amend the Constitution is pretty fuckin' high. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #46

Quite possibly it would have failed. But that's not the point. Hortensis Apr 2016 #67

Then why didn't they do it? Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #72

Large part because Dems spiked their amendment gun Hortensis Apr 2016 #75

Bullshit. The whole "flag burning" nonsense never had any real traction to begin with. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #79

A moderate liberal? timmymoff Apr 2016 #66

Timmy, you don't get to just make up stuff. Hortensis Apr 2016 #68

"all honest experts" - you realize those are 3 completely subjective words? Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #73

Moderate liberal a term made up to make moderate smell better timmymoff Apr 2016 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Apr 2016 #88

The Context is, it was between 2002-2006, the era she apparently gets a pass for. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #5

She thought she'd be running for president and would need to impress conservatives. senz Apr 2016 #16

about the 6th roll out of the flag burning menace reddread Apr 2016 #51

The compromise with the Republicans instead of a neverforget Apr 2016 #2

Good grief. We Ilsa Apr 2016 #42

So, she's soft on crime! HassleCat Apr 2016 #4

NY TIMES: SENATOR CLINTON IN PANDER MODE Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #6

Triangulation in a nutshell Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #14

No surprise here passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #20

Critical legislation, because the American flag has been under assault from flag burners BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #7

I remember arguing about that with right wingers. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #8

Do we know if she has evolved? Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2016 #21

Opinion surveying in progress, we'll get back to you on that soon... /The Clinton camp jack_krass Apr 2016 #45

Depends who's asking, what day it is, what polls indicate, etc. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #64

Some people get conservative in their old age, others more liberal. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #9

She's headed in every possible direction at the same time? Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #10

She went... thataway. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #11

weathervane.gif Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #12

It's the third leg of the triangulation "stool" XemaSab Apr 2016 #13

LOLs gross Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #17

That is one hell of a straddle. nt artislife Apr 2016 #37

the bootlickers on DU called it "inoculation" against the inevitable GOP attacks MisterP Apr 2016 #15

She's ABSURD. AzDar Apr 2016 #19

I'm surprised nobody has tried to defend this for Hillary Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #28

Probably because it's indefensible. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #90

Why does she hate the Chinese? Major Hogwash Apr 2016 #23

Her and her husband also did a bill in Arkansas to protect the Confederate flag. Zira Apr 2016 #24

Wait what? If that's real we should be posting that on the internet 24 hours a day Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #25

removed. Zira Apr 2016 #27

No, I had it wrong. They put a star to commemorate the Confederate flag, in the Arkansas flag. Zira Apr 2016 #29

still bad. Thanks for checking. Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #30

The star was added in the 1920s Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #33

Here's the bill Fumesucker Apr 2016 #38

Kind of a weird bill Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #40

WTH! the top star is for the Confederacy per the article. Zira Apr 2016 #65

Um, that star was added to the Arkansas state flag in the 1920s Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #86

I'm going off the article posted. Read what it says in the sentence above the stuff outlined in red. Zira Apr 2016 #87

The article sounds bogus to me Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #91

I'll take your word. I've never been to Arkansas so have no idea otherwise. Zira Apr 2016 #92

The more I think of it, the more I think something is not quite right here Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #43

Still wrong.They did not put that star there. WJC signed a bill from the legislature that explained Tanuki Apr 2016 #49

It is not that big a fine. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #26

Just amazing. -nt- chascarrillo Apr 2016 #31

K&R. This actually happened. It was all over the news. That's when I knew I would never vote for JDPriestly Apr 2016 #32

Not only dumb, JD, but unconstitutional. The SCOTUS had already held that flag burning was speech merrily Apr 2016 #35

TWO bills, TWO years in a row. The reply you will get is that she did so to prevent a merrily Apr 2016 #34

That's the whole story of the modern Democratic Party in a nutshell Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #62

Emphasis on "story" nt merrily Apr 2016 #63

The flag amendment came within one vote of getting the necessary 2/3 in the Senate in 2006. onenote Apr 2016 #81

People sure have short memories onenote Apr 2016 #83

I remember that. artislife Apr 2016 #36

Meanwhile her husband's Treasury secretary Rubin lied to investors during the financial crisis jfern Apr 2016 #39

The authoritarian mindset: Smoke a joint, burn a flag, buy a dildo, go to prison. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #48

authoritarian fascists tend to act that way restorefreedom Apr 2016 #44

Given the open contempt some people on our "side" regularly display for the 1st Amendment Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #47

Maybe they're just waiting for right moment Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #61

She is basically a republican on many topics. Nt Logical Apr 2016 #52

Hillary wanted to outlaw freedom of speech? Cosmic Kitten Apr 2016 #53

But it's Hillary! So who cares! pinebox Apr 2016 #57

This is the Onion isn't it? EndElectoral Apr 2016 #59

LOL, sounds about right vintx Apr 2016 #69

She sponsored flag burning bills twice, not once but twice. Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #70

Link? onenote Apr 2016 #74

Resumé padding. bvf Apr 2016 #71

Holy Crap !! She is not a Liberal and certainly not a Progressive berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #77

Oh man, has she ever been on the RIGHT side of an issue? Merryland Apr 2016 #78

Is pandering a principle? eom guillaumeb Apr 2016 #80

Is anyone actually surprised by this? ibegurpard Apr 2016 #84

I'm afraid I actually was. Live and learn. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #94

And it failed. frylock Apr 2016 #85

Bad enough to vote for it. But *introduce* it???!!! nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #89

I know right? It's really something. Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #93