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MBS

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33. Obama was a sitting president at the time.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 01:04 AM
Apr 2016
BIG difference.

As the article below (see link) explains, as a matter of policy, Pope Francis goes out of his way NOT to get involved with political candidates, only with sitting office-holders (Francis was bamboozled on the Kim Davis front by the former Vatican ambassador to the US- that ambassador was recently fired (or allowed to "retire&quot by Pope Francis). If anything, the media and political buzz surrounding Sanders' visit insured that the pope would be sure to be "too busy preparing for his trip to Greece" to visit the conference.

Further, Bernie was invited (sort of - again, see the article) to an academic conference, never for a papal audience; and even his conference invitation came via Sanders advisor (and conference speaker) Jeffrey Sachs, Sachs' own communications person and one of the conference organizers (but not the other organizer, who was in fact incensed by the insertion of electoral politics and media buzz into this academic conference).

Also (as we now know), during their Vatican visit(s), Obama (and his diplomatic team, including Sec. Kerry) were conducting bona fide diplomatic business at the Vatican. Among other issues, the Vatican was acting as a key, discrete mediator in engineering the delicate, initially secret discussions between US and Cuba.

The best reporting on the history of the Sanders visit to that conference is here: https://www.commonwealmagazine.org/blog/what-does-sanders-invitation-say-about-vatican-and-sanders
See also the online comment by religion reporter Peter Steinfels (posted April 14, 3:30 pm).

Great that Bernie admires Pope Francis, who is worthy of admiration; and good that the problems of poor people got some publicity because of the extra media buzz . But not good IMO that Bernie exploited this invitation (and, I suspect, also encouraged this invitation, through Sachs) for campaign purposes; and not appropriate IMO for campaign funds to be used for this trip (except for the fact that use of those funds is at least an honest acknowledgement of the trip's purpose).

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... beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #1
It's got their knickers in knots. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #12
I haven't seen this much butthurt since Capehart embarrassed himself in front of the world. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #16
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #51
... DesertRat Apr 2016 #26
The Obamas went to the Vatican too, were any of these people complaining? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #28
Obama was a sitting president at the time. MBS Apr 2016 #33
LOL! You must be joking, right? That article is a nasty hit piece that reads like a gossip rag. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #34
I have a new favorite phrase renate Apr 2016 #39
According to an article earlier today, yes the campaign. morningfog Apr 2016 #2
So you're admitting the trip was effective? dchill Apr 2016 #3
Worth every penny... HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #19
LOL Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #45
Yes. I heard Devine say it on MSNBC earlier today. Renew Deal Apr 2016 #4
And? revbones Apr 2016 #5
Nonstop. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #13
Who else would pay for it? Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #6
I don't know, but how does it count as campaign activity? LAS14 Apr 2016 #7
Democrats abroad. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #9
How does it not. Kalidurga Apr 2016 #10
Staffers have been instructed to find and print out pissing and moaning posts from HRC supporters. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2016 #31
Was he invited in his capacity as Candidate or Senator? pat_k Apr 2016 #36
It is simple.. Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #57
WE did. I'm damn happy Bernie went. n/t Avalux Apr 2016 #8
Me, too Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #46
In 2008 when candidate Obama went to Germany, Freepers stroked out. MgtPA Apr 2016 #11
^^ Kittycat Apr 2016 #14
Perfect framing! dchill Apr 2016 #32
I've donated to the campaign Bjornsdotter Apr 2016 #15
Me to. pangaia Apr 2016 #17
Me 3 840high Apr 2016 #18
Good idea! pugetres Apr 2016 #20
Me 4 angrychair Apr 2016 #23
A litte musical accompaniment... QC Apr 2016 #21
All Sanders contributors who are pissed that he spent campaign funds in this way, raise your hands. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #22
I couldn't care less who paid for it. Everyone in the US should be happy he went because his bjo59 Apr 2016 #24
According to ABC news, the Sanders' campaign paid for the trip DesertRat Apr 2016 #25
If he used some of mine, it's fine by me. n/t Contrary1 Apr 2016 #27
Me, too Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #48
Happy to contribute!!! The topic is central to everything Sanders has said for decades ... slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #29
thank you for posting this, and yes renate Apr 2016 #40
Thank you ... slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #58
Wonderful! +1,000,000 nt. polly7 Apr 2016 #49
Thanks! :) nt slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #59
Tinkerbell. jillan Apr 2016 #30
Just a thought. pat_k Apr 2016 #37
This was not a campaign event. Bernie and Jane paid for this out of their own pocket. jillan Apr 2016 #38
Sorry pat_k Apr 2016 #41
I did. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #35
Bernie could have saved a bunch of money and flown commerical jfern Apr 2016 #42
I hope so. You can't buy this kind of coverage for any amount of money riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #43
On the list of things to care about mythology Apr 2016 #44
I doubt any of us here are privy to Bernie's payment of travel expenses. Vinca Apr 2016 #47
yup Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #50
BIRDIE, BIRDIE SANDERS!!!! longship Apr 2016 #52
So, there was a bit of politicking on both sides.. glowing Apr 2016 #53
You've got to be kidding! LAS14 Apr 2016 #54
I don't think the American media would have given any attention to the Pope this week without Bernie glowing Apr 2016 #56
Who paid for it? 99Forever Apr 2016 #55
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