2016 Postmortem

HassleCat

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153. That's the difference between middle class and rich.

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 05:55 PM

Apr 2016

Middle class people actually feel a little pain when they come up with a percent or two for charity. I know this because I gave 2 percent when I worked for the federal government. I was a CFC Double Eagle, for those of you who know what that means. I sometimes wished I had a few of those dollars to spend on something else, but I kept on going. If I made as much money as the Clintons make, I wouldn't pause for a second before writing big checks to charities.

By the way, your post does the typical apples vs. oranges we see from Clinton supporters. It cites a combined tax rate for the Clintons and the federal tax rate for Sanders, so I'm thinking we should dismiss your post as an attempt at deception.

I wonder if the Clintons are able to count charitable deductions when they give money to their own charities. Does anyone know?

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Hillary Paid 35% Taxes and Gave 11% to Charity -- Bernie? Not so Much [View all] Haveadream Apr 2016 OP

The difference in income between the Clinton's and Bernie is astronomical. bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #1

Bingo. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #77

Was that charity the Clinton Foundation by any chance? Human101948 Apr 2016 #126

Here it is as a graphic: JackRiddler Apr 2016 #142

I guess you don't understand how percentages work. realmirage Apr 2016 #154

I guess your weakness is in absolute sums? JackRiddler Apr 2016 #155

hey - smart one - what did each of them net??? SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #2

David was smaller than Goliath. dogman Apr 2016 #3

Huge difference between $200K and $28M kcjohn1 Apr 2016 #4

Math is hard. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #12

Unless you're trying ibegurpard Apr 2016 #71

Some of it has to be performance art, no one can be that outrageous. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #75

They complain about the speck in Bernie's eye Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #96

They sound like Republicans who constantly find fault with Obama. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #97

Where a foundation pays zero, zip - nada laserhaas Apr 2016 #119

Well the Sanders don't own TM99 Apr 2016 #5

Total Income? Meteor Man Apr 2016 #6

actually they had $140,994 in taxable the 205 number getting tossed around is agi questionseverything Apr 2016 #20

Watermelons are bigger than cherries. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #7

Ah the old he's "cheap" allegation, I was wondering when it would appear. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #8

yeah we're up to anti-semitic dog whistles now AgerolanAmerican Apr 2016 #101

When did people get so clueless about progressive tax rates Matt_in_STL Apr 2016 #9

It's called a progressive tax system. Loudestlib Apr 2016 #10

Conservatives have always hated progressive taxation. QC Apr 2016 #58

She made 28 million. Republicans aren't the only one who lack critical thought process. onecaliberal Apr 2016 #11

Total Income? Meteor Man Apr 2016 #13

State taxes Meteor Man Apr 2016 #18

She took the money out of the government pantsuit FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #14

Lol! morningfog Apr 2016 #15

A relative question...what if Hillary stopped telling them to breath in? angstlessk Apr 2016 #16

AGI: 27,946,490 vs 205,271 Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #17

your user name is quite appropriate :) renate Apr 2016 #110

Which charity besides her own tax dodge foundation? hobbit709 Apr 2016 #19

3 mill to slush fund 22 grand someplace else questionseverything Apr 2016 #24

^^^yep, right there^^^ Hopefully the media will notice and call her out on her arrogant fake-out. JudyM Apr 2016 #69

A lovely thing about the Clinton Foundation tax dodge, delrem Apr 2016 #105

Excuses. Working class pays well over 13% and it ain't effing fair Iliyah Apr 2016 #21

Not in effective federal tax rate. Please educate yourself. Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #22

That in large part depends on deductions mythology Apr 2016 #36

Thank you for your response Haveadream Apr 2016 #39

I think the average was 12.9% in 2014 sl8 Apr 2016 #51

That rate is too low for that income, imo Haveadream Apr 2016 #76

I just looked at my return dsc Apr 2016 #132

Yes married people get a marriage benefit, especially if one of them has little or no income. Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #133

but that isn't what you said in your frankly very snotty post dsc Apr 2016 #135

"working class pays well over 13%" Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #136

I would be paying 13% at less than 70k dsc Apr 2016 #137

Wow! She's rich-rich-rich! :-) But she pays her fair share AND ... NurseJackie Apr 2016 #23

Thank you for your post Haveadream Apr 2016 #42

Wow!!!! How much did "The Clinton Foundation" get this last year? Seeinghope Apr 2016 #44

Bill and Melinda Gates are Big Donors Haveadream Apr 2016 #47

I've been maligning them for years QC Apr 2016 #59

Thank you for sharing that Haveadream Apr 2016 #60

Charters are basically publicly-funded private schools. QC Apr 2016 #61

As long as the states are able to determine policy Haveadream Apr 2016 #65

Clinton charitable contributions: $3,022,700 of which $3 million went to Clinton Family Foundation Seeinghope Apr 2016 #62

Are you serious, and the op writer posted this? EndElectoral Apr 2016 #130

I agree that there's nothing wrong in using all legal tax advantages. David__77 Apr 2016 #66

Yes, Hillary does deserve her success in life.. and she gives back tremendously. Cha Apr 2016 #100

35% is not her fair share. Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #151

Clinton's Tax Plan is Better Than Bernie's Haveadream Apr 2016 #25

And the obfuscation continues. Avalux Apr 2016 #26

Sanders effective tax rate will be much higher Csainvestor Apr 2016 #27

Sander's Tax Rate will Penalize Lower Income Earners Haveadream Apr 2016 #29

Lotta comics on DU tonight! Mike__M Apr 2016 #28

She deducted! 1.2 million in medical expenses. CentralMass Apr 2016 #30

oddly, I find that fascinating. Would love to see that portion itemized. Maybe, because I am in Hiraeth Apr 2016 #156

Oh NOES!!! Hillary has more money than Bernie!!! jillan Apr 2016 #31

Pathetic Politicalboi Apr 2016 #32

For married filing jointly katsy Apr 2016 #33

For Many Low Income Earners Haveadream Apr 2016 #34

Your OP does not state how much of their sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #37

Umm...Hillary made WAY MORE MONEY than Bernie UMTerp01 Apr 2016 #35

He looks very rich from my point of view... eastwestdem Apr 2016 #38

Exactly Haveadream Apr 2016 #41

"I don't think the guy making $200k understands me LadyHawkAZ Apr 2016 #64

It's just another rich politician trying to appeal to the underclass because they need votes eastwestdem Apr 2016 #70

us? ibegurpard Apr 2016 #73

You do realize the base pay for a US Senator is $174k a year? RichVRichV Apr 2016 #79

A taxable income of 22 MILLION is genuine and relatable vs. a taxable income of 140K is insincere LadyHawkAZ Apr 2016 #83

and 5 shell offshore accounts that dana_b Apr 2016 #91

lol ibegurpard Apr 2016 #67

If he looks very rich, how would you describe Hillary? Punkingal Apr 2016 #78

. Dragonfli May 2016 #157

You can amend tax returns going back 2 years. Motown_Johnny Apr 2016 #40

Also, signed tax returns would look a bit more legally binding. nt eastwestdem Apr 2016 #72

How much did "The Clinton Foundation" receive in donations? Seeinghope Apr 2016 #43

What a sad attempt at gotcha. arcane1 Apr 2016 #45

I make less than Bernie, with 3 kids, and pay more in taxes. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #46

IKR? Haveadream Apr 2016 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author RazBerryBeret Apr 2016 #52

You get tax breaks for giving to charities right? Seeinghope Apr 2016 #48

The super wealthy need to be taxed at a far higher rate RedCappedBandit Apr 2016 #50

I completely agree with you Haveadream Apr 2016 #53

Charity is good, RedCappedBandit Apr 2016 #55

Yes, they are Haveadream Apr 2016 #57

Of course poorer people tend to pay a lower percentage in taxes, and can't afford jfern Apr 2016 #54

That is true Haveadream Apr 2016 #56

Clinton charitable contributions: $3,022,700 of which $3 million went to Clinton Family Foundation Seeinghope Apr 2016 #63

Sickening. nt Chezboo Apr 2016 #84

Progressive Taxation... look it up nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #68

^^^this^^^. It's unreal how hard they are trying. jillan Apr 2016 #74

Bernie has said he has a modest income Haveadream Apr 2016 #81

Here is the top 50 in the House nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #82

To people who are below the poverty line Haveadream Apr 2016 #85

I cover poverty issues nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #86

I think we have the same goals Haveadream Apr 2016 #95

Look I trust polititians as far as I can throw them nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #122

The Clinton slush fund gives her access to hundreds of millions, TAX FREE... Yurovsky Apr 2016 #80

Do you have even the slightest idea of what's involved COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #88

Otherwise known as cClinton's slush fund? Seeinghope Apr 2016 #94

Please explain to me how you think this works. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #116

Keep you eyes closed closed and live in the dark. It is common knowledge if you do some reading Seeinghope Apr 2016 #125

Do your own research. "The comfort of the rich depend on the abundant supply of the poor" Seeinghope Apr 2016 #128

So the answer is that it is just another COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #141

Oh, O.K. You are with the Clintons in Person observing all of their financial transactions. Seeinghope Apr 2016 #146

More than 89% of Clinton Foundation funds (by audit) COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #150

Your arrogance & condescension do little to bolster your argument... Yurovsky Apr 2016 #98

I don't know how you sleep at night with all that COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #115

Prove it fun n serious Apr 2016 #89

OMG senseandsensibility Apr 2016 #87

CBSNews Headline: "Taxes Show Bernie Sanders gave 4 percent of income to charity in 2014." SunSeeker Apr 2016 #90

People are noticing hypocrisy, certainly LadyHawkAZ Apr 2016 #93

4%! Could they afford it?! Cha Apr 2016 #99

What a cheap skate. frylock Apr 2016 #143

Not a cheapskate, but a hypocrite. SunSeeker Apr 2016 #144

Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #145

Hillary is part of the ruling class SHRED Apr 2016 #92

What a crock! We paid 30% in taxes last year! Firebrand Gary Apr 2016 #102

I claim zilch for charitable contributions but I guarantee that I donate a larger share of my income Live and Learn Apr 2016 #103

He's completely clean. Your candidate is the worst of the worst of corrupted world-wreckers. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #104

So in your view someone earning 30000 should be taxed at 35% ALBliberal Apr 2016 #106

No Haveadream Apr 2016 #108

Should he deny his Senate salary? Should he compute his taxes in a matter ALBliberal Apr 2016 #112

Righteous rant!!! Bravo! beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #113

There is nothing *untoward* about his return Haveadream Apr 2016 #114

The perception is that he makes 250k a year ALBliberal Apr 2016 #117

Great find! northernsouthern Apr 2016 #107

How much of that 11% was to themselves via the Clinton Foundation? That doesn't count. ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #109

Of course it does Haveadream Apr 2016 #111

No it doesn't. It may count "legally" but we all know it doesn't pass the smell test. ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #139

But..but... workinclasszero Apr 2016 #118

If they funnel their money back and forth through their Foundation, polly7 Apr 2016 #120

Which charity? The Clinton Foundation? panader0 Apr 2016 #121

LOL-- probably! Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #123

what does effective federal tax rate mean? Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #124

She needs to release the fucking transcripts. nt stillwaiting Apr 2016 #127

It's called a "progressive tax system". Got a problem with that? KPN Apr 2016 #129

Still HaveADream or did this thread turn into a nightmare? FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #131

She gave most of that money to her own foundation - and she and Bill and Chelsea drew salaries, djean111 Apr 2016 #134

K& R. Bernie doesn't open his pockets very wide, does he? Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #138

Good lord . . . everything is relative. Vinca Apr 2016 #140

Her effective tax rate should be almost double what it is. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #147

I agree Haveadream Apr 2016 #148

+1 n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #149

So What? tirebiter Apr 2016 #152

That's the difference between middle class and rich. HassleCat Apr 2016 #153