2016 Postmortem

Cal33

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28. Hillary will probably help elect more Third-Way Democrats. We have too many of them already. We

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 11:58 AM

Apr 2016

need more Progressives. Without more Progressives there will be no reform in the Dem. Party -- only
more status quo. I think that's one of the reasons why Bernie is doing what he does.

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That "obscene" amount of money Clooney helped raise? [View all] pnwmom Apr 2016 OP

You mean they figured out how to launder the money... DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #1

Link please, other than paranoid ravings. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #2

This has been discussed here many times. DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #10

Please explain how Bernie will pass any legislation with a Rethug controlled Congress. pnwmom Apr 2016 #17

If Bernie is the nominee The Old Lie Apr 2016 #22

That is the correct answer. DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #35

Dream on! In Wisconsin 25% of the people who voted for Bernie either voted for NO ONE ELSE pnwmom Apr 2016 #36

Discounting that 100,000 more Republicans voted in Wisconsin The Old Lie Apr 2016 #46

What does that have to do with the fact pnwmom Apr 2016 #49

Because maybe Wisconsin Democratic Party didn't do their voter education The Old Lie Apr 2016 #53

No. You can't teach people who aren't interested, TOL. Hortensis Apr 2016 #104

Bernie's pull and coattails - just like his pull COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #41

nice switcheroo AgerolanAmerican Apr 2016 #32

the Rs have a deep animus to anyone with a D attached WhiteTara Apr 2016 #57

Not the same at all AgerolanAmerican Apr 2016 #63

Sure apcalc Apr 2016 #76

He made so many friends on both sides of the COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #101

The same way that Clinton will. karynnj Apr 2016 #42

Except Hillary is raising money to get more Dems in Congress while all Bernie is raising pnwmom Apr 2016 #44

Except she isn't. The Old Lie Apr 2016 #47

There were DSC letters send out under Bernie's name karynnj Apr 2016 #55

The rethug congress is here despite any efforts to the contrary (cough cough) by the DNC n/t Doremus Apr 2016 #69

Here comes the counterpunch "article" again thelordofhell Apr 2016 #70

It's funny how you posted that about an hour after I posted the article. DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #72

Sorry, but I don't spend all day on DU posting articles written by crazy people thelordofhell Apr 2016 #82

Well I'm from the JFK/FDR wing of the Democratic Party. DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #92

I'll let the great Lloyd Bentsen answer for me on your insult........ thelordofhell Apr 2016 #93

You need to re-read your response to me... DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #103

By your definition, Bernie bought off at least 3 people. Sheepshank Apr 2016 #114

Eye opening that Hillary could be running such a cynical scheme, isn't it? Human101948 Apr 2016 #16

"Paranoid ravings" quickesst Apr 2016 #38

We say the machine is bad and so is its grease JackInGreen Apr 2016 #3

How will Bernie function as President without a working "machine"? Without Dems pnwmom Apr 2016 #9

And reality is still reality CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #12

That's right, agree apcalc Apr 2016 #78

Berners don't care about down ticket CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #4

Ain't that the truth Protalker Apr 2016 #14

Not one whit. nt Bobbie Jo Apr 2016 #29

Ya know...I could take that a lot more seriously if ALL the money went to the down-ticket races Armstead Apr 2016 #5

Do the math. $14.5 out of $15 will go to the party. That's a big help. What is Bernie doing pnwmom Apr 2016 #13

Don't understand where you got those numbers... Human101948 Apr 2016 #24

The article says that the max going to Hillary for America will be $5000 per couple. pnwmom Apr 2016 #59

What I got from the article was... Human101948 Apr 2016 #60

^ This. I don't think pnwmom gets it. At least she is pretending not to. Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #91

Bernie says: "No, not in this campaign.". Arkansas Granny Apr 2016 #50

My favorite quote from BS on this subject: "We'll see." Hekate Apr 2016 #108

You are remembering that SHE is the one that not only COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #45

I support her apcalc Apr 2016 #81

Absolutely. We're not only (the only) party of Marquis COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #88

This primary is unnecessary? oregonjen Apr 2016 #87

obscene is still obscene. Downwinder Apr 2016 #6

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Yeah won't that be fun. pnwmom Apr 2016 #18

These are people who pay lip-service to democracy, until they lose. Then "The system is rigged!!11" IamMab Apr 2016 #27

Seriously ... In_The_Wind Apr 2016 #21

Don't ask me, this is the "logic" that Sanders himself has provided on this subject. It's his plan. IamMab Apr 2016 #30

I musta slept through that one. In_The_Wind Apr 2016 #34

clinton is loaded with PAC money, she can do this oldandhappy Apr 2016 #8

Bernie is combining his fund raising efforts with candidates who floriduck Apr 2016 #11

He's splitting his donations with his other candidates. The Old Lie Apr 2016 #39

Exactly. floriduck Apr 2016 #54

One candidate in Florida, right? Loki Apr 2016 #99

No, it actually is not going to down ticket candidates. That's a sham. riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #15

Only $2700 per person will be on the Hillary for America ledger with the balance pnwmom Apr 2016 #26

Your article doesn't say what percentage goes to DNC and what goes to the state committees riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #74

And then the DNC gives the money to Hillary's SuperPACs. DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #75

Hillary is spreading millions in corporate cash with which to corrupt & buy Democratic politicians Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #19

Facts, facts, facts ..... sister_rosa_refried Apr 2016 #20

Like my once two year old daughter Loki Apr 2016 #100

This message was self-deleted by its author tabasco Apr 2016 #23

Sanders' supporters miss that important point, probably because many aren't Democrats. Hoyt Apr 2016 #25

When ad hominem is all you have, you don't have anything. Octafish Apr 2016 #33

Is saying a lot of Sanders's supporters aren't Democrats, an ad hominem? Hoyt Apr 2016 #80

Ditto and they could care less about down ticket Dems Iliyah Apr 2016 #73

Funny. I've been here longer than you. Kittycat Apr 2016 #116

Hillary will probably help elect more Third-Way Democrats. We have too many of them already. We Cal33 Apr 2016 #28

Bernie won't get any legislation through a GOP Congress and yet he's doing very little to help. nt pnwmom Apr 2016 #37

What GOP Congress in 2017? The Old Lie Apr 2016 #52

The chances that the GOP-dominated House of Representatives will remain so, if Cal33 Apr 2016 #64

iT'S probably a question of timing. He is doing a lot of work, practically non-stop. I Cal33 Apr 2016 #66

Which is why there should be campaign finance reform. Octafish Apr 2016 #31

The DNC/Clinton cabal loses more Democratic seats in the House and Senate every election tabasco Apr 2016 #40

Sounds like it's being used to buy superdelegates Lone_Wolf Apr 2016 #43

Not only not true, also not even vaguely original. nt COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #48

Just what we need - more Corporate Democrats. Skwmom Apr 2016 #51

So you're all for Citizens United ? ciaobaby Apr 2016 #56

I think that until Citizens united is overturned the Dems should not handicap themselves against the pnwmom Apr 2016 #58

Nice rationalization. ciaobaby Apr 2016 #62

I think you should play by the rules that are in force, but work to change them. pnwmom Apr 2016 #65

I hate to point out the obvious..... ciaobaby Apr 2016 #67

Bernie's also benefited from Karl Rove's super pac. "Crossroads" started running ads against Hillary pnwmom Apr 2016 #112

I'll close my eyes and think of England. n/t Orsino Apr 2016 #111

George Clooney's Reply To That Assertion MannyG Apr 2016 #71

Double Speak ciaobaby Apr 2016 #85

You left out the key part where Clooney went to justify the fundraiser. Funny how you did that, pnwmom Apr 2016 #96

tsk tsk...not nice to edit without notice of such editing Sheepshank Apr 2016 #115

The DNC electing more 1% Corporate Democrats digs the hole deeper. But why should Clooney Skwmom Apr 2016 #61

K&R ismnotwasm Apr 2016 #68

K&R mcar Apr 2016 #77

Sanders pull and coattails has not kept a Democratic congress, does not work that way. In fact Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #79

A reporter on MSNBC just said that, in fact, very little of it has "trickled down". nt Buns_of_Fire Apr 2016 #83

The Sanders' campaign knows it, his supporters know it, the media knows it. Beacool Apr 2016 #84

K&R Jamaal510 Apr 2016 #86

They know they dont care. Which is why WI is stuck with a horrible new judge for a 10 year term. Lucinda Apr 2016 #89

So why don't all those Carolina Apr 2016 #90

Human nature. It's more fun going to a party than just writing a check. pnwmom Apr 2016 #98

Just watched Clinton and Sanders interviewed on ABC This Week betsuni Apr 2016 #94

He thinks having the Dems playing by their own stricter rules will magically win them more power pnwmom Apr 2016 #95

k&r bigtree Apr 2016 #97

and it is still obscene. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #102

So define 'obscene', then. Why is Sanders' millions less obscene than Clinton's? randome Apr 2016 #106

Because Bernie's represents (and in fact, is) hard-earned $ from millions of ordinary Americans. silvershadow Apr 2016 #107

Clinton gets honest money from ordinary Americans, too. randome Apr 2016 #109

Oh I am sure she does get some, along with obscene amounts from special interests. silvershadow Apr 2016 #110

I hope they continue to raise obscene amounts of money. murielm99 Apr 2016 #105

k&r DesertRat Apr 2016 #113