2016 Postmortem

bettyellen

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123. Amazing anyone here pretends to care about mass incarceration with this attitude toward

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 02:00 PM

Apr 2016

public defenders. It can be a very shitty job, and many do not fulfill the requirement for a vigorous defense, but god forbid she did.

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Hillary on 12 yr. old rape victim: �I've been informed that complainant is emotionally unstable..." [View all] Bonobo Apr 2016 OP

I can't say what I feel right now reading her comment. bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #1

That comment alone should disqualify Hillary from becoming the Democratic nominee. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2016 #5

Lovely... jmg257 Apr 2016 #2

That laugh again. Shudder. CharlotteVale Apr 2016 #6

So creepy. 840high Apr 2016 #32

I read about this before vintx Apr 2016 #60

I didn't...I read it last night and couldn't help but be sad and angry. "A fraud" came to mind. nt jmg257 Apr 2016 #61

She didn't have to use the tactics she did. It ruined a young girl's life. polly7 Apr 2016 #68

*sob artislife Apr 2016 #104

But Hillary was just doing her job! vintx Apr 2016 #105

Oh my God arikara Apr 2016 #121

She was 12! Seeks out older men? Fuck! Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #202

There's a pattern here... dchill Apr 2016 #3

But it's okay though she was just doin her job Kalidurga Apr 2016 #4

If, God forbid you some day find yourself on the COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #8

I would be ashamed if my attorney smeared the alleged victim like that Kalidurga Apr 2016 #9

No you wouldn't. You would be humiliatingly COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #10

"Humiliating" = What she did to a 12-year old rape victim. Bonobo Apr 2016 #12

I find it hard to believe that anybody with a soul could treat a sexually abused child that way. Dragonfli Apr 2016 #16

I wouldn't do it for a "job" and I don't trust anyone that would nt. Bonobo Apr 2016 #22

So, there should be no defense attorneys obamanut2012 Apr 2016 #113

I said I wouldn't vote for someone that did such a filthy thing for POTUS. Got it? nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #114

They should not blame the victim WDIM Apr 2016 #174

Sociopath that is the perfect description WDIM Apr 2016 #173

And that has to do with the comment you were COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #76

it is one thing to defend your client , it is another to enjoy it. hollysmom Apr 2016 #13

Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #21

shudder hollysmom Apr 2016 #23

Oh my. Just oh my. nt MaeScott Apr 2016 #50

If you haven't been in that situation, don't criticize it. Many professions COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #75

Don't pull that tactic. vintx Apr 2016 #77

And you know this how? COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #98

And, talking about shameful, shameful is what COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #99

I'm not anyone's bud unapatriciated Apr 2016 #133

You don't think your point of view might be a bit COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #149

Well you are wrong unapatriciated Apr 2016 #161

So would you think its okay if WDIM Apr 2016 #175

wtf unapatriciated Apr 2016 #184

sorry WDIM Apr 2016 #185

unfortunately unapatriciated Apr 2016 #187

Let me tell you a little about Gallows Humor - Mother Of Four Apr 2016 #95

Your opinion. nt COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #97

Nice try - Mother Of Four Apr 2016 #101

Your personal experiences are one thing- I've been around a COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #110

They may joke among themselves but unapatriciated Apr 2016 #136

Perhaps, perhaps not. You really don't know the circumstances COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #147

I am married to a physician I have a circle of friends that are physicians ... I have 2 generations dr60omg Apr 2016 #165

You cannot refuse a court assignment except for very good COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #168

You're right. polly7 Apr 2016 #103

Precisely dr60omg Apr 2016 #166

THANK YOU vintx Apr 2016 #106

not buying it unapatriciated Apr 2016 #127

It is not her job to have (or not have) faith in how victims COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #152

What you are ignoring is I don't care or fault her unapatriciated Apr 2016 #163

In the interview Lazy Daisy Apr 2016 #188

That is a euphemism.She was appounted by the court. It's called Rota. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #197

This message was self-deleted by its author artislife Apr 2016 #107

defending him is one thing unapatriciated Apr 2016 #125

Exactly. nt TheDormouse Apr 2016 #131

This message was self-deleted by its author Vilis Veritas Apr 2016 #135

She has such a lack of empathy that she started the Arkansas COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #148

I heard it several times when I posted this unapatriciated Apr 2016 #124

It takes a village to raise a victim........ peace13 Apr 2016 #7

No wonder she Loves David Brock's style, they both enjoy a bit of slut shaming and victim blaming Dragonfli Apr 2016 #11

She didn't even want to take the case. JTFrog Apr 2016 #14

Fair enough she didn't want to take it, but why laugh about getting evidence thrown out? vintx Apr 2016 #65

Because she had an absolutely unbreakable obligation COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #81

Amazing anyone here pretends to care about mass incarceration with this attitude toward bettyellen Apr 2016 #123

I'm not upset with her defending him unapatriciated Apr 2016 #139

You're telling me she didn't mount a vigorous defense? COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #146

The interview had nothing to do with the defense of her client. unapatriciated Apr 2016 #137

Which is why she started the Arkansas Rape Crisis organiztion. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #145

That's good to know but unapatriciated Apr 2016 #153

Blaming the victim is not a defense. WDIM Apr 2016 #176

Not even worth responding to. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #199

This is disgusting behavior angrychair Apr 2016 #15

Ahhh, the never ending muck dredged up by Sanders' supporters. Beacool Apr 2016 #17

Sunlight is the best disinfectant. nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #18

B.S. Beacool Apr 2016 #19

I think everyone has the right to know what Hillary has done, don't you? nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #20

When did stating true facts become attacks against Clinton? The Old Lie Apr 2016 #67

More B.S. Beacool Apr 2016 #118

again it is not that she defended him, it is the interview some five years later unapatriciated Apr 2016 #141

And if yours is the nominee JackInGreen Apr 2016 #102

I'm a Sanders supporter, but this isn't sunlight - it's feces throwing n/t markpkessinger Apr 2016 #45

Absolutely. Thank you for bringing some sanity COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #83

I'm the mother and sister of rape victims unapatriciated Apr 2016 #143

I wouldn't call a long-after the fact article written by COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #82

It was still morally wrong Ms. Yertle Apr 2016 #54

Fortunately for the rest of us, the justice system in the COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #84

The job of an attorney is to represent the client to the best of their ability. Beacool Apr 2016 #120

I thought it was to see that justice was done Ms. Yertle Apr 2016 #126

No, that's a fallacy. Beacool Apr 2016 #138

Blaming a 12 year old for her rape WDIM Apr 2016 #181

No it is the disgust of rape victims and their families unapatriciated Apr 2016 #140

Blaming a 12 year old for her rape WDIM Apr 2016 #178

I take it that you're not an attorney. Beacool Apr 2016 #180

Blaming the victim is not a defense. WDIM Apr 2016 #182

I am no fan of Hillary, but I can't join this line of attack . . . markpkessinger Apr 2016 #24

Maybe true, but it doesn't mean I would vote for such a person to be POTUS. Bonobo Apr 2016 #25

Then you should probably categorically exclude any lawyer who has ever done criminal defense work . markpkessinger Apr 2016 #43

Yes! COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #85

that means no Abe Lincoln and no John Adams dsc Apr 2016 #63

Abraham Lincoln and John Adams did not have to face attack ads and 24 hour news/opinion networks Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #112

If the client had failed the polygraph, would she have defended him with the same vigor? TheDormouse Apr 2016 #30

I have no way of knowing that and neither do you . . . markpkessinger Apr 2016 #37

Sure. Polygraphs are so unreliable that they COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #87

was that true in Arkansas at the time of the incident being discussed? TheDormouse Apr 2016 #130

It's been true in all the US almost since the polygraph COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #151

Are you a law professor? TheDormouse Apr 2016 #183

So what. Anything is admissible if both parties stipulate to it. But COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #198

Pretty glaring omission, wouldn't you say? TheDormouse Apr 2016 #200

Because in the other states it's not admissible under COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #208

which means that in some states it is/was admissible, in theory TheDormouse Apr 2016 #211

Jesus Christ. You really are somewhat dense. It is admissible in COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #212

Why, do you think, did she order the polygraph? TheDormouse Apr 2016 #213

Since reading comprehension isn't obviously your COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #214

Thanks for finally answering the question TheDormouse Apr 2016 #215

No, thank you for finally getting it. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #216

Wrong is wrong, regardless Ms. Yertle Apr 2016 #53

That would have been illegal and unethical for ANY defense attorney to do obamanut2012 Apr 2016 #56

I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know Ms. Yertle Apr 2016 #62

Really depends on whose Ox is being gored COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #90

And THAT is what eventually happened. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #88

She LAUGHED about it, years later. vintx Apr 2016 #66

Lawyers typically distance themselves emotionally fromthe cases they handle . . . markpkessinger Apr 2016 #194

again it is not that she defend him unapatriciated Apr 2016 #144

There is no defense for a grown man raping a 12 year old WDIM Apr 2016 #155

Every person accused of a crime in the U.S. is entitled to a defense . . . markpkessinger Apr 2016 #191

Blame the victim. longship Apr 2016 #26

Again, just IMAGINE the shitstorm is Bernie Sanders had done this. #DoubleStandard. nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #27

Disgusting. Every time I revisit this info, it saddens & angers me. nt TheDormouse Apr 2016 #28

I can understand the role of a Defense Attorney, but it doesn't mean I would vote for one for POTUS. Bonobo Apr 2016 #29

Vilifying lawyers who represent unpopular defendants . . . markpkessinger Apr 2016 #46

Exactly -- this shouldn't be used as partisan fodder obamanut2012 Apr 2016 #57

Amen. Lots of them aren't. nt COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #91

Yes, lots of them just make a quick deal obamanut2012 Apr 2016 #111

I don't think she made a quick deal here. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #115

Kicked. nt MaeScott Apr 2016 #48

She provided her client ... NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #31

It's not a fail to let people know about this. Bonobo Apr 2016 #33

Have the right to know WHAT? NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #36

Everyone has the right to their own opinion, but first they must know the facts. Bonobo Apr 2016 #38

The FACTS are ... NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #39

It is relevant. Bonobo Apr 2016 #40

Fine. NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #41

It varies by miles and miles. nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #42

Laughing about getting a child rapist off is not admirable whathehell Apr 2016 #51

Her 'character' in this case amounts to doing what she swore to do. arely staircase Apr 2016 #206

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #47

Pretty fucked-up thinking. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #92

I agree -- people have the right to know she did the ;egal and ethical thing obamanut2012 Apr 2016 #59

And people have a right to know how she does her job. berni_mccoy Apr 2016 #52

Capably and with great vigor. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #93

Blame the victim is the best defense? WDIM Apr 2016 #156

NOT fair game to 'judge' hrc on approach she took defending a client elleng Apr 2016 #34

+1. No fan of Hillary, but this is a low blow. I am uneasy with the apparent glee she took, though. JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #35

Read my post (above) regarding the COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #94

Its unethical to blame a 12 year old for being raped WDIM Apr 2016 #158

Horrible OP. Firebrand Gary Apr 2016 #44

Normally I would think that maybe this was a low blow Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #49

So...anyone bother to find out about these previous accusations that were allegedly made? randome Apr 2016 #55

Again? nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #58

Bonobo's version of To Kill a Mockingbird dsc Apr 2016 #64

H. Clinton would still be some half-bit lawyer working for Walmart tabasco Apr 2016 #69

THIS IS NOT HER "DOING HER JOB" : vintx Apr 2016 #70

~~~~~~~THIS~~~~~~~~~ nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #71

I would actually have to see the interview rather than take someone's word for it. Zynx Apr 2016 #78

video link of the interview icecreamfan Apr 2016 #86

She described it as a terrible case and laughed at the absurd moments of it Zynx Apr 2016 #89

It is anigbrowl Apr 2016 #171

How many times have we been over this one? Zynx Apr 2016 #72

See post 70. Defend that. nt vintx Apr 2016 #73

I would actually have to see the interview rather than take someone's word for it. Zynx Apr 2016 #79

What does post #70 say about her? nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #74

I would actually have to see the interview rather than take someone's word for it. Zynx Apr 2016 #80

Then you can stop your complaining. An answer was provided. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #128

I understand the role of defense attorneys very well. Esperanza Apr 2016 #193

First time I have seen this... yikes yourpaljoey Apr 2016 #96

This is no big deal, but Sanders meeting the Pope is condemning. Marr Apr 2016 #100

I find the h supporters more chilling as the hours go by. artislife Apr 2016 #108

I understand that she was doing her job as the creep's attorney... Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #109

She bragged that she got a man that she knew raped a 12 year old off with just 2 months of jail time Bonobo Apr 2016 #116

It bothers me too... Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #117

I wonder how many kids he's raped since he got out. Vinca Apr 2016 #122

She could have defended her client Blue_In_AK Apr 2016 #119

That "attitude" harvests all those Clinton donors from the private prison business too. A cultist. bobthedrummer Apr 2016 #129

Bernie must be losing badly......n/t asuhornets Apr 2016 #132

Yep, they are dragging the net along the ocean floor. Beacool Apr 2016 #179

I mean it is constant; all day right wing talking points...n/t asuhornets Apr 2016 #189

It's been like this for months. Beacool Apr 2016 #192

It is a violation of professional ethics for an attorney to defend a client she knows is guilty. nt Romulox Apr 2016 #134

Not in Oregon. She can't knowingly offer false evidence but she can fight and argue for her client. Shrike47 Apr 2016 #186

Would anyone be able to use that kind of defense for rape jwirr Apr 2016 #142

Oh I've never heard this story before Dem2 Apr 2016 #150

Clinton does not care about human life. WDIM Apr 2016 #154

It was beastly what she did to that child farleftlib Apr 2016 #160

She went there because she has no ethics WDIM Apr 2016 #162

Absolutely farleftlib Apr 2016 #164

If anyone really cared about this (and you don't), you'd at least question the prior allegations. randome Apr 2016 #157

She is a monster WDIM Apr 2016 #159

You really don't care about the prior allegations, do you? randome Apr 2016 #169

Was she really in a coma Esperanza Apr 2016 #170

So you blame the victim too. WDIM Apr 2016 #172

I'm not blaming anyone. randome Apr 2016 #196

What "prior allegations" make raping a 12-year old defensible? vintx Apr 2016 #190

"I have also been informed that she has in the past made false accusations..." randome Apr 2016 #195

So hook us up with some prior allegations there, 'dome. Or is "some people have said..." cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #207

All I'm pointing out is that some apparently don't care to know details. randome Apr 2016 #209

So what are the details? I mean other than a line or two in a brief of course. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #210

I am astonished by people supporting her Esperanza Apr 2016 #167

such amazing empathy ... not. oldandhappy Apr 2016 #177

God, this woman has SO much baggage. Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #201

A champion for children. A champion for women. VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #203

This is why people hate lawyers. But that's the job. Philly-Union-Man Apr 2016 #204

If your ever accused of a crime, do you want your attorney to represent you arely staircase Apr 2016 #205

her statement seem almost as bad as pretending a new-found concern for women's safety LanternWaste Apr 2016 #217