2016 Postmortem

Warren DeMontague

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97. They- meaning the Clintons and their acolytes- just internalized the WORST lessons of the Reagan era

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:07 PM

Apr 2016

etc.

And it dials into my biggest problem with her campaign.

Along the way between Bill losing his first re-election campaign as Governor and around about '96, they decided that they had to ape the political instincts and behavior of the lee atwater crowd, while reflexively repudiating anything that could be seen as divisively "left", meanwhile no diminishment of the concerns of the Democratic base, no "triangulating", "centrist", "politically astute" move was too noxious to embrace.

The worst part is, it was a response to a very specific set of circumstances and a political reality which was unique to that particular era, but they imagine it to be a capital-T Truth for all time.

So it's not just offensive and dispiriting, it's also outdated, bad politics too.

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More made up shit about the Vatican visit. [View all] longship Apr 2016 OP

Pope Francis: "..I greeted him, I shook his hand and nothing more..." direct quote not speculation uponit7771 Apr 2016 #1

The encounter between the Pope and Sanders was arranged at dinner, the night before they met CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #6

Says who? tia uponit7771 Apr 2016 #8

Did you read my post? There is a link to the New York Times article. (nt) CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #14

Yeah to a Sanders shill, who isn't to be trusted seeing they misrepresented proxy cred in the past uponit7771 Apr 2016 #18

For Christ sakes, Bernie stayed at the fucking Papal residence! nt longship Apr 2016 #31

Yes, it was a greeting--You are absolutely right. CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #32

And desperate nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #46

They lost ot a long time 840high Apr 2016 #62

True, benefit of the doubt and all that nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #65

Pope Francis: "..I greeted him, I shook his hand and nothing more..." direct quote not speculation uponit7771 Apr 2016 #51

You cut off the quote and left out the most important part. LOL!!! CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #57

That is what I heard. Thank you. longship Apr 2016 #26

EVERY single talking point the Clinton sour-grapes brigade has put forth has been FALSE CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #40

Pope Francis: "..I greeted him, I shook his hand and nothing more..." direct quote uponit7771 Apr 2016 #52

Here's the full quote---that you cut off. You are hilarious, my friend. CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #59

STOP IT!! JUST FUCKING STOP IT! longship Apr 2016 #61

I don't know what you are up on, but you are pathetic here. longship Apr 2016 #79

You are misleading by omitting context. JackRiddler Apr 2016 #29

He met with the Pope. Get over it already. arikara Apr 2016 #58

Clinton supporters have been infected with a new strain of reality resistant dogma. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #70

Why do Bernie supporters keep on starting Vatican threads? CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #2

hurt dogs howl uponit7771 Apr 2016 #3

It's odd since they say they are sick of them CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #4

yeap uponit7771 Apr 2016 #19

And you're focusing on the howl and not what caused the hurt krispos42 Apr 2016 #5

Pope Francis: "..I greeted him, I shook his hand and nothing more..." direct quote uponit7771 Apr 2016 #7

AWWK! Polly wanna cracker! longship Apr 2016 #63

For the record, some parrots LOVE yogurt nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #66

Now that's the first interesting thing I've read in this thread. longship Apr 2016 #68

You welcome, but connie begs for it nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #69

what are you now? 0-for-four?..five?...who can keep track of your false cut & pastes..? islandmkl Apr 2016 #72

Stop spam 840high Apr 2016 #76

Wasn't my terminology CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #12

Because the Clinton camp has spun and spun liked crazed loons CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #9

Pope Francis: "..I greeted him, I shook his hand and nothing more..." direct quote uponit7771 Apr 2016 #21

Any chance you can stop spamming? n/t RedFury Apr 2016 #60

Yep. They spun like the spider on caffeine... 1monster Apr 2016 #44

I guess it really bugs them for some reason workinclasszero Apr 2016 #10

Bernie Sanders supporters are overjoyed and very proud of Bernie CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #13

I bet you will be bitter if Hillary is the nominee CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #39

I bet you'll be CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #50

It takes a long time TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #17

And a long time to get over your butthurt, apparently CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #38

No hurt here. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #45

Bernie supporters did not start it, but by god we're gonna finish it. longship Apr 2016 #20

I was just responding to yet another Hillary supporter whining about it. longship Apr 2016 #33

By whining about their whining CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #37

Well, at least I don't make shit up. longship Apr 2016 #41

Because liars need to be repudiated every last time so that everyone knows their words DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #34

I would like to nominate your post for: Post of The Year! Hiraeth Apr 2016 #43

Thank you. I actually do feel that way. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #49

me too Hiraeth Apr 2016 #53

"not political????????" LAS14 Apr 2016 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Apr 2016 #22

Yep, what hit a nerve was the unconscionable spinning.... LAS14 Apr 2016 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Apr 2016 #30

Kindness and goodness libodem Apr 2016 #25

BULLSHIT! CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #28

Thank you! I wish I had a cuppa for you. longship Apr 2016 #36

Love it! CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #42

Watch the video. LAS14 Apr 2016 #67

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2016 #54

They can't handle Faux pas Apr 2016 #15

+100 840high Apr 2016 #64

Be patient. The last few weeks have been very traumatic. QC Apr 2016 #16

They are Old Codger Apr 2016 #23

Hillary's team will do/say anything to distract from her very, very real problems. Scuba Apr 2016 #27

The latest video with the Pope speaking about the meeting seems like Bernie put the Pope in an Jitter65 Apr 2016 #35

The meeting was arranged. longship Apr 2016 #47

The Vatican never said the meeting was arranged and Sanders has no credibility on this issue uponit7771 Apr 2016 #56

You are making shit up again. longship Apr 2016 #73

Link and quote Vatican saying th meeting was arranged uponit7771 Apr 2016 #77

Of course it was arranged. longship Apr 2016 #78

Unicorn journalism! CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #48

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2016 #55

You're not reaching out when you say 'how idiotic Hillary supporters are' blm Apr 2016 #71

Let's first stop making shit up and go from there. longship Apr 2016 #74

The first part was pretty fair - it was some of the other stuff that came off wrong. blm Apr 2016 #75

THIS BERNIE SANDERS DEATH STAR HAS GOTTA HAVE A THERMAL EXHAUST PORT SOMEWHERE! Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #80

Glad to see you, Warren. longship Apr 2016 #81

You, too. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #82

That's what I think, too. longship Apr 2016 #83

Someone wrote on a completely different site the other day that it felt like arguing with Bush fans Fumesucker Apr 2016 #85

They- meaning the Clintons and their acolytes- just internalized the WORST lessons of the Reagan era Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #97

Well, that sort of thing works if you've had a lot of practice shooting at whomp rats. winter is coming Apr 2016 #96

They can't figure out how to make Bernie look like a hypocrite and prove he's sold out Jefferson23 Apr 2016 #84

Thank you J23! longship Apr 2016 #86

Campaigns can get rough but as Bernie said this morning, they're fighting back and why he Jefferson23 Apr 2016 #87

But why do her surrogates here tell lies? longship Apr 2016 #88

Because lies can work. Kerry learned that and there are other instances. Jefferson23 Apr 2016 #89

I have to agree, which is why I am worried, too. longship Apr 2016 #90

I think the strategy with her surrogates is now about how he's incompetent to lead. Jefferson23 Apr 2016 #91

Right now, anything can happen. longship Apr 2016 #92

Yea, there are many variables. I remain hopeful for Bernie, and the nonsense he has to win Jefferson23 Apr 2016 #93

Hoping for a win in November. longship Apr 2016 #94

All we can do is work hard and stay focused...we still have a shot at it. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2016 #95