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JCanete

(5,272 posts)
88. why do you need to take it that way?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:38 AM
Apr 2016

Plenty of posters have tried in vein to explain this. It doesn't mean our rationale is right, but it must be willful ignorance on your part if you don't at least address the reasons we put forward, and instead go with this bullshit straw-man.

Here's a very simplistic version for you. Bear in mind, this is based on my version of the state of things, not necessarily the state of things.

I want what's best for this nation. Damn straight that's not Trump. He's a fucking embarrassment. But I am tired of being tacked over to the slow lane and lulled to sleep by democrats, who from my perspective, are working for the same interests the republicans are working for, and driving us down the same road. Its just a lot more elegant when they do it. They're taking money from the same people the Republicans do, so that they can be viable candidates in our ridiculously expensive election process. By necessity, their interests are the interests of the corporate elite, or else they wouldn't have gotten so far(unless they are off in some corner like Vermont) and even if they would like to do some good, the price for it is always too damn high.

This election cycle in particular, has been very enlightening to me as to what "insider" really means. It means to me, good intentions or not, that no good will ever be done under these conditions. What will be done is we will continue to fight over solutions for the symptoms while the real illnesses go unchecked, and sadly, I've come to the conclusion that that's the way both parties like it.

I think a Trump presidency would be humiliating, and his candidacy alone is making the looneys come out of the woodwork. But in my opinoion, he's only in a position to become president because Republican's and Democrats alike have continued to foster a war around wedge issues and not the bigger picture items that make people more susceptible to fear and tribalism. That means he's not going to be the last.

I don't want to "serve anybody right" by not voting for his opponent. The funny thing is though, I'd be more likely to vote for Hillary over Ted Cruz or Kasitch, because in the case of insider vs insider, I'll go with the lesser of two evils, even if it continues to validate the DNC system of disenfranchising liberal voters. Trump though, is such a bumbling fool, with likeables in the toilet. He's no Hitler or Stalin. He's a lightening rod for righteous fury and action because he isn't tactful, and he isn't smart. The backlash to a Trump Presidency is likely to be monumental, and nobody, republican and democrat alike are going to work with him. Am I willing to bet the next 4 years on that(assuming he wouldn't get impeached first), I ... doubt it. It scares the hell out of me. But so does our current and continued trajectory as a nation, irrespective of the party at the wheel.

So please, by all means, talk about how we're conspiracy theorists, or naive to the complicated issues that make tweaks to the status quo the far better option to political revolution, but the next time you characterize our reasons for considering passing on the GE Presidential ticket as vindictiveness and nothing more, well know that you would be lying.

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Rec. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #1
I am a fan of no politician nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #2
Sorry your candidate lost tonight. zappaman Apr 2016 #56
Clinton supporters- and that includes me, assuming she's the nominee- should really be prepared to Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #96
I think Sanders had the right message, but was the wrong guy. zappaman Apr 2016 #99
Our party- nationally- needs to expand its bench beyond east coast baby boomers. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #100
She hasn't won a single state west of the Mississippi yet. Major Hogwash Apr 2016 #106
You do know littlebit Apr 2016 #107
I read this post three minutes ago and I'm still laughing Number23 Apr 2016 #112
You are very welcome littlebit Apr 2016 #116
+1 Agschmid Apr 2016 #126
Ohio??? GoldenThunder Apr 2016 #139
Consider deleting this post leftynyc Apr 2016 #119
Nevada. Agschmid Apr 2016 #123
Texas. Agschmid Apr 2016 #124
Whoops :) Agschmid Apr 2016 #125
Ohio isn't west of the Mississippi.... GoldenThunder Apr 2016 #135
Whoops... Well good thing those other states are. Agschmid Apr 2016 #138
Late night last night littlebit Apr 2016 #140
They don't teach geography anymore, do they? nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #137
That mixed with the constant threats to not vote and hopes that Trump wins. nt. Trenzalore Apr 2016 #3
I do not know anyone here who would like to see Trump win. CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2016 #13
What does Bernie or Bust mean then? Sheepshank Apr 2016 #27
I don't think it means that. CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2016 #37
Then you don't understand what "or bust" means. baldguy Apr 2016 #136
That's how I take it, too. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #53
What it means is... Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #80
In other words I was right...Bernie or Republican. You made it clear Sheepshank Apr 2016 #85
You are wrong - as you are wrong about many things. Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #92
why do you need to take it that way? JCanete Apr 2016 #88
Well thanks for arriving at DU just in time to tell me what you think I've missed the last 6 months Sheepshank Apr 2016 #90
I'm not new to DU. Been mostly a lurker since 2004. And I spend a lot of time reading here. JCanete Apr 2016 #94
Read Sheepshank's transparency tab angrychair Apr 2016 #98
WOW GoldenThunder Apr 2016 #115
welcome to DU! renate Apr 2016 #93
There are three reasons I support Sanders: TCJ70 Apr 2016 #162
People need to link to the posts that clearly state that they hope Trump wins or STFU about it. notadmblnd Apr 2016 #83
I haven't seen anyone state they hope Trump wins, they just DON'T CARE what happens to seaglass Apr 2016 #159
Boo Hoo! Chasstev365 Apr 2016 #4
It is a contact sport griffi94 Apr 2016 #34
So why do the poster whine about Bernie being mean? Chasstev365 Apr 2016 #39
Bernies supporters griffi94 Apr 2016 #44
LOL! Chasstev365 Apr 2016 #46
That's the spirit! Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #5
Don't hold your breath. Indydem Apr 2016 #6
And they will continue to pound that message in SM artislife Apr 2016 #18
See this crap is exactly... Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #84
Shorter... HumanityExperiment Apr 2016 #7
No where nearly as mean and nasty as Hillary 08 or 16. morningfog Apr 2016 #8
PREACH! JaneyVee Apr 2016 #9
You can't even win nice SHRED Apr 2016 #10
I've held my tongue until the last nail was driven in. boston bean Apr 2016 #15
Maybe you could point to where I'm off here? SHRED Apr 2016 #24
Search GDP and see if you can come up with something that matches my description. boston bean Apr 2016 #36
I see vitriol... SHRED Apr 2016 #54
Look in the mirror. pangaia Apr 2016 #58
Yep. No surprise there, though, eh?! JudyM Apr 2016 #87
that's one of the things that's got me depressed tonight renate Apr 2016 #114
Right-wing revenge is so sweet. Broward Apr 2016 #11
The Vermont Bonecrusher got crushed Zorro Apr 2016 #12
Exactly...so many have been vile and despicable, and now that they are clearly going to lose alcibiades_mystery Apr 2016 #14
Most won't play that game. artislife Apr 2016 #20
That's up to each voter griffi94 Apr 2016 #50
Where are these two for one specials at now? What have they been waiting for? TheKentuckian Apr 2016 #95
Here's how it'll go griffi94 Apr 2016 #121
So, no two for one voters...just talk of kitchen tables and swing sta with no thought to beat CHURN. TheKentuckian Apr 2016 #122
I'm sorry your guy lost griffi94 Apr 2016 #132
You don't have any secret cache of voters. If a significant number stop playing you are hosed TheKentuckian Apr 2016 #161
You seem to struggle with logic and reason griffi94 Apr 2016 #164
Thanks for summing that up. Sheepshank Apr 2016 #16
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #78
I wish I had more tolerance for Hillary supporters frustrated_lefty Apr 2016 #17
We don't expect any from you, BB. Bonobo Apr 2016 #19
Jeff Weaver just said it's not over until he says it's over! Dem2 Apr 2016 #21
It's over no matter what he says tonight. It's done. It is over. boston bean Apr 2016 #23
He seems to be a psycho Dem2 Apr 2016 #30
He seems unbalanced to me as well. boston bean Apr 2016 #31
Glad it's not just me Dem2 Apr 2016 #42
Weaver's charter is to wreak as much damage as possible upon the Democratic Party. LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #49
He's contemplating unemployment. okasha Apr 2016 #65
Where does this lie keep coming from? Kentonio Apr 2016 #109
They're talking NY itself Blue_Adept Apr 2016 #131
Likewise in South Carolina, okasha Apr 2016 #183
If you want to broad brush all of us based on internet trolls, thats your problem. phleshdef Apr 2016 #22
Yep. I've never been so glad to see certain folks not get what they wanted. nt stevenleser Apr 2016 #25
Not Rupert Murdoch. Octafish Apr 2016 #160
I'll feel the same way 11/9/16 TSIAS Apr 2016 #168
Bookmarking. nt stevenleser Apr 2016 #170
Seriously? You couldn't post your Bernie bashing in the Hillary group? FourScore Apr 2016 #26
I really don't at this point. Sorry, but one reaps what they sow. boston bean Apr 2016 #28
You can read all my posts. I never bash. FourScore Apr 2016 #43
At this point I don't give a crap. If someone wants to withhold their vote in the general boston bean Apr 2016 #48
Spoken like a true Hillary supporter. Congratulations on your "win"! n/t FourScore Apr 2016 #51
What do I owe these people. They treat Hillary supporters like shit, then boston bean Apr 2016 #55
Your weak candidate couldn't even win the support of a majority Kentonio Apr 2016 #110
This message was self-deleted by its author Amimnoch Apr 2016 #120
Yes, because having more support on DU is much stronger JTFrog Apr 2016 #143
Few things are more telling than the support of a highly politically involved group of Democrats. Kentonio Apr 2016 #158
You might have a point if the system in place here didn't give power to the trolls, JTFrog Apr 2016 #165
That's very much in the eye of the beholder though. Kentonio Apr 2016 #167
We'll hold you to that. JimDandy Apr 2016 #103
Kick & very highly recommended! William769 Apr 2016 #29
According to Jeff Weaver they intend to keep COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #32
And beyond... SHRED Apr 2016 #33
I laid off 'em right after Super Tuesday. They took kindness oasis Apr 2016 #35
True. Gracious in victory got us 4 more weeks of abuse. Fuck that shit! boston bean Apr 2016 #38
true n/t Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #45
You have NOT seen the end of it... cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #40
Jane Goodall? Are you freakin' kidding me? Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #41
Jane Goodall is not a Hillary supporter CrawlingChaos Apr 2016 #111
She just had her pic taken with Hillary and posted it on Facebook. boston bean Apr 2016 #133
Reality is unimportant. Anyone even slightly suspected of not hating Hillary, betsuni Apr 2016 #155
I've never seen anything like it. Bobbie Jo Apr 2016 #47
K&R Gothmog Apr 2016 #52
No you don't melman Apr 2016 #57
A mere hiccup ladyfinger Apr 2016 #59
Well said. It's been sickening. R B Garr Apr 2016 #60
You haven't won a damn thing. If Hillary wins we all lose. Live and Learn Apr 2016 #61
Psycho .99center Apr 2016 #62
I wish you could see the America we could have... PyaarRevolution Apr 2016 #63
Substitite blacks or gays or women for "Bernie supporters" and think about Blue Meany Apr 2016 #64
Small numbers of people on both sides have been rude. DemocraticWing Apr 2016 #66
That's seriously selective. JCanete Apr 2016 #67
I don't participate in this forum, but you won the jury. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2016 #68
The only lies have come from the Hillary camp. Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #69
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #70
The op had it right Sheepshank Apr 2016 #72
..... rbrnmw Apr 2016 #86
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #89
I have seen Hillary be called every name in the book on a supposedly Democratic board. Beacool Apr 2016 #71
Sanders is talking about voter irregularities in VT, he's on scorched Earth roll right now uponit7771 Apr 2016 #73
I completely agree. The bridges have burned and the ship has sailed. betsuni Apr 2016 #74
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #75
Haha I BET you "wish" you could! I get it, actslikeacarrot Apr 2016 #76
There is no difference between Rude HILLARY Supporters... Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #77
That's fine. Jester Messiah Apr 2016 #79
Leave us alone. Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #81
Truth!! nt Jitter65 Apr 2016 #82
Well that says a lot about you. Rex Apr 2016 #91
My support for Hillary has called my progressive credentials into question. boston bean Apr 2016 #141
Yes that is true, people have gone way too far dissing HRC. Rex Apr 2016 #181
Well aren't you special! AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #97
Projection: It's not just for movie theaters anymore. nt villager Apr 2016 #101
Don't cry for us just yet. It's not over, and I think you'll find many of us in it till Bernie says highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #102
If the OP has written any comments that were well-meaning or even fair senz Apr 2016 #104
Were you here for previous campaigns? killbotfactory Apr 2016 #105
After being alert stalked and harassed this past weekend nolawarlock Apr 2016 #108
Plus a fucking million. Hard to tell which was more delightful. The trolling, the racism, the Number23 Apr 2016 #113
And they cry, wide-eyed and innocent: "I've never seen anything like that betsuni Apr 2016 #117
And plus a million for your post as well! nt stevenleser Apr 2016 #142
So true! boston bean Apr 2016 #146
A few things have really bothered me about Bernie's supporters, PBass Apr 2016 #118
Sometimes the truth hurts. B Calm Apr 2016 #127
This message was self-deleted by its author My Good Babushka Apr 2016 #128
Funny, I was just thinking that since it appears Hillary will require our votes to win the general Vinca Apr 2016 #129
Like how the Sanders people were so nice after winning Wisconsin? brooklynite Apr 2016 #147
So you don't want us to vote for Hillary? Vinca Apr 2016 #148
Trump v Hillary, who you gonna vote for? boston bean Apr 2016 #150
I've said time and time again I'll vote for her if she's the nominee. Vinca Apr 2016 #151
Good to hear you will vote for her. boston bean Apr 2016 #152
I happen to agree with you, but acceptance is another matter. Vinca Apr 2016 #156
Your beliefs are best represented by Hillary Clinton at this time. boston bean Apr 2016 #157
Not necessary to have compassion for Bernie supporters. AirmensMom Apr 2016 #130
+1 In_The_Wind Apr 2016 #144
Clinton supporters work to build bridges; Sanders supporters burn them. baldguy Apr 2016 #134
I'd like to quote Susan Sarandon's words to Hillary supporters ... NurseJackie Apr 2016 #145
There is no path to the nomination for Sanders Gothmog Apr 2016 #149
Just want to add that what goes round comes round. MoonRiver Apr 2016 #153
"It's working, sir. They're all at each other's throats." Buns_of_Fire Apr 2016 #154
Most of them are good, decent folks... Blue_Tires Apr 2016 #163
I have said many times that I will vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination democrattotheend Apr 2016 #166
Blame your friends. This isn't happening in a vacuum. NurseJackie Apr 2016 #184
Now THATS the way to romance Bernie supporters over to Hillary for the GE. bvar22 Apr 2016 #169
you may be overthinking things. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #171
Thats your diagnosis Dr. Montague?? LOL boston bean Apr 2016 #172
You start an OP in GDP imagining that everyone needs to know how you feel about this stuff Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #173
Yeah, you are. boston bean Apr 2016 #174
I have my flaws, to be sure, but one thing I'm good at, I'm usually pretty insightful. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #175
I've always counted on my intution and ability to judge character as well. boston bean Apr 2016 #176
Then you should know by now that the minute we actually have a nominee Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #177
Did I ever state something different? boston bean Apr 2016 #178
For someone who doesn't care what Sanders supporters think, you seem to spend a lot of time thinking Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #179
If you read the OP, it was my opinion and believe me it didn't take much boston bean Apr 2016 #180
I believe you. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #182
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