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hollysmom

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18. here is the thing,
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:15 PM
Apr 2016

we always criticize republicans for voting against their own interests - right?

I lost my job to a flush of H1B visa people , almost every IT person across the board did in this one Division, as they eventually a couple of years later moved the whole operation to India, but int he mean while hired foreign workers in violation of the H1B visa act as is commonly known. Never worked since then, Ihave friends who have never worked since they lost their jobs.
Hillary Clinton wants to allow more H1B visa people in this country because corporations need them (to depress the wages of tech people). She has never spoken about the fact that less qualified people are taking our jobs. Never suggested taht anyone crack down on this illegal use of H1B people.

why should I vote for someone who is acting against my self interest? Lesser of 2 evils? when do we get someone who is not the lesser? when do I get to vote for someone who supports people over corporations? Romney got in trouble for saying Corporations are people, well the trade bill Clinton supports make corporations better than people , they can over rule ths laws we voted for in the benefit of the corporation profit which is the ruling law over everything else.

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Clinton is certainly not perfect, but the comparisons to GWB are FITH nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #1
She voted for his war. n/t Loudestlib Apr 2016 #40
so did the ticket we nominated in 2004 to run against Bush nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #41
Good point, and he lost. n/t Loudestlib Apr 2016 #46
Demographics have changed in 12 years, and Bush was much geek tragedy Apr 2016 #69
Kerry's a solid liberal/progressive, yet DU 2004 was too busy shitting on him emulatorloo Apr 2016 #136
That is so misleading. She has explained numerous times how that BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #45
"I did not have war relations with that man.." Human101948 Apr 2016 #51
I don't know why people post this as though it means something. nolawarlock Apr 2016 #93
and he is responsible for the death of thousands of people gabeana Apr 2016 #109
So is every nearly every president we've ever had. nolawarlock Apr 2016 #112
Nearly 4,500 dead American troops? bvf Apr 2016 #52
This explanation? Ned_Devine Apr 2016 #79
she and the entire world was LIED to MFM008 Apr 2016 #126
As a former first lady and US Senator, that story is a tough sell for me. Ned_Devine Apr 2016 #139
didnt she also convince others to do the same? A war advocate? 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #122
I agree democrattotheend Apr 2016 #2
An opinion I can disagree with... JSup Apr 2016 #86
Is that why so much George Bush-level hate is doled out by her supporters on this website? villager Apr 2016 #3
NO, that's just grown folk whining ... it sounds aweful too. Sanders camp has been outwardly vile uponit7771 Apr 2016 #7
I have found your camp to be the more outwardly vile, on a routine basis here. Though I agree villager Apr 2016 #12
Yes we all know you can not Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #30
Both camps have engaged in accusatory language tymorial Apr 2016 #35
It's the kind of "boutique activism" that will be rendered moot by climate change... villager Apr 2016 #67
Anyone catch that photo from Nancy Reagan's funeral of the two of them embracing? Peregrine Took Apr 2016 #4
Well seeing as how they're like family whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #5
A lot of anti-female stuff included in there also. Decades of vile untruths and unsubstantiated Jitter65 Apr 2016 #6
Yes, She is a true fighter in word and in deed... she keeps getting up.... she keeps going uponit7771 Apr 2016 #14
I'm sure Hillary will get really financially huge pay from Goldman Sacks to continue to fight for All in it together Apr 2016 #54
She is not a heroine, noble or courageous...but she plays one on tv. haikugal Apr 2016 #36
I don't hate Hillary, but I don't like her either. Vinca Apr 2016 #8
That's pretty much where I'm at too Martin Eden Apr 2016 #20
Of course that's true. Why does Sanders get thrashed in closed primaries? Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #9
I agree. dawg Apr 2016 #10
They're not progressives. They're the other side of the tea party coin. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #11
Hillary supporters remind me very much of Bush supporters. Broward Apr 2016 #13
Yep davenelson5555 Apr 2016 #37
How about JSup Apr 2016 #71
Just stop at confused davenelson5555 Apr 2016 #77
Why... JSup Apr 2016 #78
Why so passive about our nation's future? davenelson5555 Apr 2016 #85
But I'm not passive... JSup Apr 2016 #90
OK davenelson5555 Apr 2016 #91
Alright JSup Apr 2016 #92
Thanks, and the same to you and yours davenelson5555 Apr 2016 #95
I expect a burst of anger; it's part of the grieving process and I know what it feels like Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #15
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2016 #16
that would be fine if this was asports contest - oooww my team lost but here we are talking of a hollysmom Apr 2016 #32
In some ways, Hillary is worse than GWB davenelson5555 Apr 2016 #17
Wow uponit7771 Apr 2016 #24
lolz obamanut2012 Apr 2016 #26
Yep, lolz. May as well just write baaaaaaaaaa...... davenelson5555 Apr 2016 #34
Has she managed to garner all your hatred in the COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #60
Oh, I'm sorry my young membership deems my opinion irrelevant. davenelson5555 Apr 2016 #75
Glad to be of help. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #96
You've helped in more ways than you know davenelson5555 Apr 2016 #100
THE PURGE! #108! snooper2 Apr 2016 #72
Welcome to DU! zappaman Apr 2016 #83
Weird! davenelson5555 Apr 2016 #87
No, not really. zappaman Apr 2016 #88
here is the thing, hollysmom Apr 2016 #18
Do you really think that anything is going to change COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #61
Sanders does not deserve Ralph Nader level hate Armstead Apr 2016 #19
For now that's true, it matters how he and Team Used Car (DevineWeaver) act going foward uponit7771 Apr 2016 #22
Absolutely. It's totally in his hands to see how he handles COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #62
Agreed. Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #25
I know, for me, I don't think of him as a Ralph Nader. all american girl Apr 2016 #43
Bleh Dem2 Apr 2016 #21
She's a corporatist, like Obama. TransitJohn Apr 2016 #23
I would gladly take another 8 years of Obama, so would the vast geek tragedy Apr 2016 #42
Well, enjoy the increasing wealth disparity and extrajudicial killings. eom TransitJohn Apr 2016 #44
Obama made the tax code more progressive, and geek tragedy Apr 2016 #68
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2016 #56
she deserves worth franannjo Apr 2016 #27
Where does she stand on marijuana legalization? Where does B Calm Apr 2016 #28
She'll tell us after the election or sometime down the road All in it together Apr 2016 #59
She'll end up rated the worst president as climate change accelerates under her Administration riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #29
and even with all that she does NOT deserve Bush level hate. Bush years were bad for working class.. uponit7771 Apr 2016 #31
Hillary will preside over unprecedented upheaval and will end up despised riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #39
The Clinton years were bad for working people as well. haikugal Apr 2016 #50
Republicans agree uponit7771 Apr 2016 #104
The Clinton years... JSup Apr 2016 #74
she is just as bad: that's why Cheney likes her; she voted for Iraq war on known false intel; amborin Apr 2016 #33
This is false on its face uponit7771 Apr 2016 #57
Agree. It's crazy to even imply that Hillary Clinton is anything like the BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #38
Yeah I think that works for Hillary people to believe what they want to believe, etc. All in it together Apr 2016 #63
How about disdain? Why do Hillarians always equate stark policy differences with hatred? Doctor_J Apr 2016 #47
The stupid is strong in this one. Beowulf Apr 2016 #48
“When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, QC Apr 2016 #53
Nice! Beowulf Apr 2016 #55
Ad homs are an indicator of a weak position uponit7771 Apr 2016 #58
self delete Beowulf Apr 2016 #49
Hillary is a neocon. I cannot vote for a neocon, under any circumstances. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #64
She doesn't deserve George Bush level hate from anyone who calls themseleves progressive uponit7771 Apr 2016 #65
She most certainly does. She is Third Way, not an FDR Democrat. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #66
Funny. how visceral emotional cripples project their immature sort of thinking... 99Forever Apr 2016 #70
Sorry, the wars and the money for it, still make me sick. Not about my lifestyle. ViseGrip Apr 2016 #73
i completely agree with you. It's highly suspicious when people hate her that much - almost MariaThinks Apr 2016 #76
Maybe try being more reflective about WHY people hate her.... davenelson5555 Apr 2016 #82
Cause that's the way people who lose power and affluence usually act towards someone who they're uponit7771 Apr 2016 #103
As a general principle, yes. davenelson5555 Apr 2016 #113
Facts not in dispute: Dem base doesn't despise Clinton and Conservative minded folk hate her uponit7771 Apr 2016 #115
Still remaining fact in dispute: your characerization of the Dem base davenelson5555 Apr 2016 #118
Yeap, there's few things conservatives have done to progress the country in the last 20 years... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #101
Bush I loathed and detested. Hillary I just don't trust. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #80
I think you mean if you support her, you're not a true progressive. ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #81
Hells to the mutha-effin yes! davenelson5555 Apr 2016 #89
The "establishment" in the DNC think they have the authority to define who's a progressive... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #106
Bush vs. Clinton HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #84
Wrong. 7 Easy Recent Examples - IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #94
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #98
Nothing on that list was right-wing talking points. frylock Apr 2016 #125
This is false uponit7771 Apr 2016 #127
No, it's not. frylock Apr 2016 #130
Oh, I think rather less of Junior Bush but that's not an important bar for me for my vote. TheKentuckian Apr 2016 #97
A lot of Sanders supporters are a lot less kindly to Hillary, they sound like Junior supporters... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #99
Oh to be fair and honest..I can't stand her either but that still ranks way ahead of shrub and he is TheKentuckian Apr 2016 #144
Privilege enables it Renew Deal Apr 2016 #102
Great minds!! I just posted something similar uponit7771 Apr 2016 #107
Reading this thread PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #105
Conservatives that hate HRC for the most part are, America will progress past them as we have uponit7771 Apr 2016 #108
The conservatives of DU PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #110
The "establishment" in the DNC think they have the authority to define who's a progressive... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #111
What is this gibberish supposed to mean? PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #114
It means some people have reading comprehension issues when they're confronted with facts? tia uponit7771 Apr 2016 #116
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #117
You're confused, and mixing up terms: HRC *IS* the conservative. jack_krass Apr 2016 #119
I agree with you: On the Evil scale, GWB=9.5, HRC=8 jack_krass Apr 2016 #120
Yep. wildeyed Apr 2016 #121
and she doesn't get that level of hatred azurnoir Apr 2016 #123
This is false uponit7771 Apr 2016 #128
The death, destruction, genocide, suffering that resulted from bombing Libya, then amborin Apr 2016 #124
Yes, it could make many conservative minded people think that but progressives not so much uponit7771 Apr 2016 #129
She is a whole lot smarter than Bush, which to me means that she may be morally Blue Meany Apr 2016 #141
She deserves criticism AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #131
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #133
Obama isn't running, Hillary is AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #134
I don't hate her, I simply don't trust her. She's smart and she's competent, but her values are Blue Meany Apr 2016 #132
The people who don't see a stark contrast didn't suffer much during the Bush years or soon after uponit7771 Apr 2016 #135
That is the thing, when you do not trust a politician, it is difficult to vote for that person! akbacchus_BC Apr 2016 #147
Maybe Raygun level? Go Vols Apr 2016 #137
The Clintons aren't as bad as the Bush, but still bad, imo bigwillq Apr 2016 #138
So if you oppose endless wars in the middle east, circumventing campaign finance laws jfern Apr 2016 #140
Amen! treestar Apr 2016 #142
HONDURAS ! John Poet Apr 2016 #143
Well at least this one does not reek of a talking point nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #145
Here is my take as an outsider. Mrs. Clinton tried as the first Lady akbacchus_BC Apr 2016 #146
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