2016 Postmortem

TDale313

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17. She is a weak candidate.

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:56 AM

Apr 2016

She had 100% name recognition and the entire media and political establishment pulling every lever they could to give her an edge. This was supposed to be a cakewalk. In no way, shape, or form was it. Nearly half the party supports the 74 yr old virtually unknown socialist. Independents will not vote for her in the general. She's alienating a huge swath of the left. Bernie would do better in the general, period. Especially against Trump. It's just a better matchup. And yes, he's stronger. He took a campaign he was never supposed to do anything in and has made it a huge dogfight. He'd destroy Trump in the General. Hillary will hopefully still win in the General, but she's not who we should be running in a hugely anti-establishment year. People are hurting, the status quo isn't working, and she's pretty much the last one to make the case that she can overhaul a broken system she's been a huge part of breaking for decades.

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For people calling Hillary a "weak" candidate... [View all] YouDig Apr 2016 OP

That football team wasn't allowed to feild all its players Skink Apr 2016 #1

Complaining about the rules doesn't do much either. YouDig Apr 2016 #3

Precisely. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #5

Poor performance? From 0 to tieing her in national polls and raking up a very large share of votes.. Armstead Apr 2016 #38

He won't be tied with her after that New York stinkeroo. And with PA and MD coming up . . . brush Apr 2016 #61

Boo Hoo Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #75

Obama was more of a personality contest... Armstead Apr 2016 #80

She's hella weak. Bernie's wicked strong, success despite all of her powerful friends. CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #78

The field was level and available to all. grossproffit Apr 2016 #4

No it wasn't. Skink Apr 2016 #7

The refs let us down? apcalc Apr 2016 #68

Only if you own and maintain the field. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #15

About as level as the Swiss Alps Armstead Apr 2016 #39

That is a lie angrychair Apr 2016 #77

She is a weak candidate jman0war Apr 2016 #2

Obviously Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #76

No Bernie Sanders the candidate is stronger IF the DNC supported him like they did Hillary Clinton Seeinghope Apr 2016 #103

Gotta pay trolls to defend her, exactly why? nc4bo Apr 2016 #6

That left a mark. Octafish Apr 2016 #74

If she is weak, what does that say about the guy she is beating the shit out of. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #8

By hook and by crook, schemes, gray areas, shapeshifting. nt nc4bo Apr 2016 #9

Other teams cheatin'....refs are cheatin'....they're just lucky. LexVegas Apr 2016 #10

In her case, she has a long record of gray areas. Loooong! nc4bo Apr 2016 #11

Don't lose mad...just lose. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #13

Oh, no mad here. Sorry, wrong number. nt nc4bo Apr 2016 #16

Ok. LexVegas Apr 2016 #19

Don't request your inauguration tickets just yet. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #18

"The GD:P long knives". There...fixed it for you. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #21

Mere amateurs compared to what lies ahead.... TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #24

Her Presidency will be spent in front of Congressional Hearings /nt jman0war Apr 2016 #23

Guess you didn't see the post today saying Trump has the lowest rating ever . . . brush Apr 2016 #66

Guess you think Trump is going to be the nominee. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #100

The repug bigwigs are afraid of Trump winning and dooming their party, which is why they're . . . brush Apr 2016 #109

Uh, losing 8 of the last 10 states, and... Dawgs Apr 2016 #20

Don't lose mad...just lose. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #22

Great advice. Hope you use it in November. Dawgs Apr 2016 #28

Yet she is a prohibitive favorite at the gaming makets. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #54

"Gaming Markets" Dawgs Apr 2016 #63

If they are such a joke you will surely take my challenge and ENRICH a CHARITY. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #67

You mean the guy who most people never heard of and now is tying or leading her in polls and... Armstead Apr 2016 #43

Not after that New York stinkeroo, and the shellackings coming up in PA and MD. brush Apr 2016 #69

Smelly language, there! k8conant Apr 2016 #90

This is the Democratic Primary...the General Election is another story... Human101948 Apr 2016 #56

She hasn't seen anything yet TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #12

Please tell me you're not serious. Dawgs Apr 2016 #14

She is a weak candidate. TDale313 Apr 2016 #17

Well said Skink Apr 2016 #25

Compared to Obama, yes, but she's obviously stronger than Bernie. YouDig Apr 2016 #29

You really think America is going to vote for Goldman Sachs? Yurovsky Apr 2016 #37

They'll vote for Hillary. They already did in the primary. YouDig Apr 2016 #49

Gad the lack of self awareness is amazing nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #101

The more people see Bernie the more they like him and his message. TDale313 Apr 2016 #40

How do you explain the stinkeroo performance in New York then? brush Apr 2016 #70

Because they like Hillary there- a lot. TDale313 Apr 2016 #82

Independents come in all stripes. Left-leaning indies voting for Trump? I don't think so. brush Apr 2016 #87

Trump's a total wildcard. TDale313 Apr 2016 #108

He didn't do that badly considering intheflow Apr 2016 #84

There are way more poor and working class people in New York City brush Apr 2016 #85

Yes, and that's where the voting roles were purged, in their neighborhoods. n/t intheflow Apr 2016 #89

All Sanders' voters I suppose? brush Apr 2016 #91

Also, according to this report, looks like unemployment and poverty are significantly worse upstate. intheflow Apr 2016 #93

And the INDEPENDENTS were not allowed to vote and the disenfranchised voters. That is how Seeinghope Apr 2016 #104

You mean the 15-point victory in a closed primary in her home state? frylock Apr 2016 #106

Stronger among Democrats, but not Independents or the rest of the country. n/t Dawgs Apr 2016 #64

Seems like Bernie has won most of the last ten or so. 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #26

I find sports metaphors diagnostic Fairgo Apr 2016 #27

What, when did policy discussions? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #102

I've been saying that for weeks. It hasn't sunk in yet. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #30

Primaries =/= GD Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #31

The General Election would be even tougher for Bernie. YouDig Apr 2016 #33

While primary season polls can mislead, every polling I've seen says otherwise. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #41

You're right about Bernie out-polling her vs GOP, but also right about possibly misleading. YouDig Apr 2016 #48

Good point about the South; I should have phrased that as an "and/or." Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #55

Hillary has been running for 20 years PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #32

Lame. Her wins are distorted in closed primary states. In fact, she's so weak, WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #34

That's not really true. Virginia, Texas, Ohio, Georgia etc. YouDig Apr 2016 #42

You completely missed the greater point. Bringing people into the process is a sign of strength. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #47

Weak on ethics. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #35

Bernie's got a plan to tax Wall Street and use the $ to fund much needed college education for all. DebDoo Apr 2016 #36

That's not a reason to think he's strong. It's a good plan. I'm in favor of it. randome Apr 2016 #44

You have a point. yardwork Apr 2016 #45

She had. deathrind Apr 2016 #46

Great analysis Gothmog Apr 2016 #50

That is a very sophomoric argument. It ignores the key facts. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #51

Having "disadvantages" makes someone a weaker candidate. YouDig Apr 2016 #53

He barely lost among 30% of the electorate. He creams her among independents. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #59

You ignore that the primaries have identified that your champion has weaknesses herself AND the karynnj Apr 2016 #72

All candidates have weaknesses, of course Hillary has them too. YouDig Apr 2016 #73

She is weak. If you don't want to face it. . that is your problem. If she is the nominee pdsimdars Apr 2016 #52

That million dollar fund .... Trajan Apr 2016 #57

All of her weaknesses are a glaring signal that she's been cheating her way across America CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #58

The last Dem to run in the GE on raising taxes on the middle class was Walter Mondale redstateblues Apr 2016 #83

Your analogy ignores that Hillary was cast as the strongest team in the league karynnj Apr 2016 #60

I'd say Bernie Sanders is a suprisingly strong opponent who ran a good campaign. YouDig Apr 2016 #62

WRONG. NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #65

She's a weak candidate. Bonobo Apr 2016 #71

Its so easy to spot paid trolls. They are going to increase with the 1mil dollar litlbilly Apr 2016 #79

It's amazing how many excuses Sanders supporters make redstateblues Apr 2016 #81

When the Post Mortem of Primary 2016 is written, it will likely be noted that no event Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #86

*blows whistle* PERSONAL FOUL!!! EXCESSIVE GLOATING DISGUISED AS LOGIC!!!!! desmiller Apr 2016 #88

She has been a follower rather than a leader... Orsino Apr 2016 #92

Lol, she was the golden child and bernie, an unknown is still in the race...... Logical Apr 2016 #94

Perhaps you don't understand that the claim is HRC is weaker in the general election. aikoaiko Apr 2016 #95

What words of wisdom to you have for me? Milestone Apr 2016 #96

you don't make any sense at all. Cobalt Violet Apr 2016 #97

Perhaps I'm Quibbling, But... SDJay Apr 2016 #98

Hahaha comedy gold astrophuss42 Apr 2016 #99

You're on the wrong board you're looking for the board for 'Olympic figure skating judges' beedle Apr 2016 #105

Shallow bunk. nt ladjf Apr 2016 #107