2016 Postmortem

YouDig

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48. You're right about Bernie out-polling her vs GOP, but also right about possibly misleading.

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:29 AM

Apr 2016

It really is just speculation as to whether Bernie's GE numbers will hold up. I don't think so, you do, where do we go from here? I really think that it's much easier to sell Single Payer, for example, to the primary electorate than the general. Hillary's criticisms of it, for example, have basically been that it's not realistic. The GOP would take a totally different approach, saying that it would be horrible and death panels and government takeover (which it really would be this time) and taxes and so on. We don't know how the electorate would respond, because Hillary hasn't made those arguments. But I don't see the electorate going for it after the GOP attacks.

About the closed primary thing, actually the Southern states with high AA populations where she won were mainly open. And as much as closed primaries in states like NY helped her (and they did), caucuses helped Bernie run up some big margin victories that wouldn't have been possible otherwise.

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For people calling Hillary a "weak" candidate... [View all] YouDig Apr 2016 OP

That football team wasn't allowed to feild all its players Skink Apr 2016 #1

Complaining about the rules doesn't do much either. YouDig Apr 2016 #3

Precisely. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #5

Poor performance? From 0 to tieing her in national polls and raking up a very large share of votes.. Armstead Apr 2016 #38

He won't be tied with her after that New York stinkeroo. And with PA and MD coming up . . . brush Apr 2016 #61

Boo Hoo Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #75

Obama was more of a personality contest... Armstead Apr 2016 #80

She's hella weak. Bernie's wicked strong, success despite all of her powerful friends. CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #78

The field was level and available to all. grossproffit Apr 2016 #4

No it wasn't. Skink Apr 2016 #7

The refs let us down? apcalc Apr 2016 #68

Only if you own and maintain the field. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #15

About as level as the Swiss Alps Armstead Apr 2016 #39

That is a lie angrychair Apr 2016 #77

She is a weak candidate jman0war Apr 2016 #2

Obviously Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #76

No Bernie Sanders the candidate is stronger IF the DNC supported him like they did Hillary Clinton Seeinghope Apr 2016 #103

Gotta pay trolls to defend her, exactly why? nc4bo Apr 2016 #6

That left a mark. Octafish Apr 2016 #74

If she is weak, what does that say about the guy she is beating the shit out of. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #8

By hook and by crook, schemes, gray areas, shapeshifting. nt nc4bo Apr 2016 #9

Other teams cheatin'....refs are cheatin'....they're just lucky. LexVegas Apr 2016 #10

In her case, she has a long record of gray areas. Loooong! nc4bo Apr 2016 #11

Don't lose mad...just lose. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #13

Oh, no mad here. Sorry, wrong number. nt nc4bo Apr 2016 #16

Ok. LexVegas Apr 2016 #19

Don't request your inauguration tickets just yet. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #18

"The GD:P long knives". There...fixed it for you. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #21

Mere amateurs compared to what lies ahead.... TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #24

Her Presidency will be spent in front of Congressional Hearings /nt jman0war Apr 2016 #23

Guess you didn't see the post today saying Trump has the lowest rating ever . . . brush Apr 2016 #66

Guess you think Trump is going to be the nominee. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #100

The repug bigwigs are afraid of Trump winning and dooming their party, which is why they're . . . brush Apr 2016 #109

Uh, losing 8 of the last 10 states, and... Dawgs Apr 2016 #20

Don't lose mad...just lose. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #22

Great advice. Hope you use it in November. Dawgs Apr 2016 #28

Yet she is a prohibitive favorite at the gaming makets. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #54

"Gaming Markets" Dawgs Apr 2016 #63

If they are such a joke you will surely take my challenge and ENRICH a CHARITY. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #67

You mean the guy who most people never heard of and now is tying or leading her in polls and... Armstead Apr 2016 #43

Not after that New York stinkeroo, and the shellackings coming up in PA and MD. brush Apr 2016 #69

Smelly language, there! k8conant Apr 2016 #90

This is the Democratic Primary...the General Election is another story... Human101948 Apr 2016 #56

She hasn't seen anything yet TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #12

Please tell me you're not serious. Dawgs Apr 2016 #14

She is a weak candidate. TDale313 Apr 2016 #17

Well said Skink Apr 2016 #25

Compared to Obama, yes, but she's obviously stronger than Bernie. YouDig Apr 2016 #29

You really think America is going to vote for Goldman Sachs? Yurovsky Apr 2016 #37

They'll vote for Hillary. They already did in the primary. YouDig Apr 2016 #49

Gad the lack of self awareness is amazing nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #101

The more people see Bernie the more they like him and his message. TDale313 Apr 2016 #40

How do you explain the stinkeroo performance in New York then? brush Apr 2016 #70

Because they like Hillary there- a lot. TDale313 Apr 2016 #82

Independents come in all stripes. Left-leaning indies voting for Trump? I don't think so. brush Apr 2016 #87

Trump's a total wildcard. TDale313 Apr 2016 #108

He didn't do that badly considering intheflow Apr 2016 #84

There are way more poor and working class people in New York City brush Apr 2016 #85

Yes, and that's where the voting roles were purged, in their neighborhoods. n/t intheflow Apr 2016 #89

All Sanders' voters I suppose? brush Apr 2016 #91

Also, according to this report, looks like unemployment and poverty are significantly worse upstate. intheflow Apr 2016 #93

And the INDEPENDENTS were not allowed to vote and the disenfranchised voters. That is how Seeinghope Apr 2016 #104

You mean the 15-point victory in a closed primary in her home state? frylock Apr 2016 #106

Stronger among Democrats, but not Independents or the rest of the country. n/t Dawgs Apr 2016 #64

Seems like Bernie has won most of the last ten or so. 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #26

I find sports metaphors diagnostic Fairgo Apr 2016 #27

What, when did policy discussions? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #102

I've been saying that for weeks. It hasn't sunk in yet. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #30

Primaries =/= GD Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #31

The General Election would be even tougher for Bernie. YouDig Apr 2016 #33

While primary season polls can mislead, every polling I've seen says otherwise. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #41

You're right about Bernie out-polling her vs GOP, but also right about possibly misleading. YouDig Apr 2016 #48

Good point about the South; I should have phrased that as an "and/or." Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #55

Hillary has been running for 20 years PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #32

Lame. Her wins are distorted in closed primary states. In fact, she's so weak, WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #34

That's not really true. Virginia, Texas, Ohio, Georgia etc. YouDig Apr 2016 #42

You completely missed the greater point. Bringing people into the process is a sign of strength. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #47

Weak on ethics. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #35

Bernie's got a plan to tax Wall Street and use the $ to fund much needed college education for all. DebDoo Apr 2016 #36

That's not a reason to think he's strong. It's a good plan. I'm in favor of it. randome Apr 2016 #44

You have a point. yardwork Apr 2016 #45

She had. deathrind Apr 2016 #46

Great analysis Gothmog Apr 2016 #50

That is a very sophomoric argument. It ignores the key facts. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #51

Having "disadvantages" makes someone a weaker candidate. YouDig Apr 2016 #53

He barely lost among 30% of the electorate. He creams her among independents. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #59

You ignore that the primaries have identified that your champion has weaknesses herself AND the karynnj Apr 2016 #72

All candidates have weaknesses, of course Hillary has them too. YouDig Apr 2016 #73

She is weak. If you don't want to face it. . that is your problem. If she is the nominee pdsimdars Apr 2016 #52

That million dollar fund .... Trajan Apr 2016 #57

All of her weaknesses are a glaring signal that she's been cheating her way across America CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #58

The last Dem to run in the GE on raising taxes on the middle class was Walter Mondale redstateblues Apr 2016 #83

Your analogy ignores that Hillary was cast as the strongest team in the league karynnj Apr 2016 #60

I'd say Bernie Sanders is a suprisingly strong opponent who ran a good campaign. YouDig Apr 2016 #62

WRONG. NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #65

She's a weak candidate. Bonobo Apr 2016 #71

Its so easy to spot paid trolls. They are going to increase with the 1mil dollar litlbilly Apr 2016 #79

It's amazing how many excuses Sanders supporters make redstateblues Apr 2016 #81

When the Post Mortem of Primary 2016 is written, it will likely be noted that no event Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #86

*blows whistle* PERSONAL FOUL!!! EXCESSIVE GLOATING DISGUISED AS LOGIC!!!!! desmiller Apr 2016 #88

She has been a follower rather than a leader... Orsino Apr 2016 #92

Lol, she was the golden child and bernie, an unknown is still in the race...... Logical Apr 2016 #94

Perhaps you don't understand that the claim is HRC is weaker in the general election. aikoaiko Apr 2016 #95

What words of wisdom to you have for me? Milestone Apr 2016 #96

you don't make any sense at all. Cobalt Violet Apr 2016 #97

Perhaps I'm Quibbling, But... SDJay Apr 2016 #98

Hahaha comedy gold astrophuss42 Apr 2016 #99

You're on the wrong board you're looking for the board for 'Olympic figure skating judges' beedle Apr 2016 #105

Shallow bunk. nt ladjf Apr 2016 #107