2016 Postmortem

Sparkly

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230. That's correct.

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:05 PM

Apr 2016

Because otherwise, we can get into a going-nowhere discussion of who said what when and why.

That's an easy way to take complex decisions and issues and over-simplify them into nothing but slogans that sound good.

Circumstances change, and if people change their minds, I think that is a GOOD thing, not a bad thing. Implying that it indicates insincerity shows bias, not fact. And assuming that a single vote on a complex matter automatically indicates a craven, corrupt worldview is simplistic.

Several people have said outright in this thread, "I don't care what she says -- I do not believe a word she says."

THAT is a closed mind and a victory for the rightwing. I don't want to waste time debating closed minded people or right-wingers.

So I'm looking at the essential facts now.

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What specific POLICY POSITIONS show Sec. Clinton to be "Not Liberal" or "Not a Democrat?" [View all] Sparkly Apr 2016 OP

Kissinger kinship RobertEarl Apr 2016 #1

Could you cite the quote please? Sparkly Apr 2016 #2

she voted for the bankruptcy bill, that alone should do it. litlbilly Apr 2016 #18

Which bankruptcy bill? Squinch Apr 2016 #124

The one that Elizabeth Warren talked with her about in the 90s All in it together Apr 2016 #255

Well then provide the link or name the bill. Because your statement right now is that Squinch Apr 2016 #276

It's been on DU many times All in it together Apr 2016 #326

So the best you can do to describe this bill that has turned you against Hillary is to say that Squinch Apr 2016 #334

Understand *this* Baobab Apr 2016 #380

You again. Do you never address the subject in the post you are replying to? Squinch Apr 2016 #391

Wouldn't it be... HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #393

Don't you know that we are now a full on Republican spin machine, and must always Squinch Apr 2016 #395

Lol HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #397

A bunch of times. I saw it in Breitbart, and they know the score. Squinch Apr 2016 #398

Word. HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #400

Here ya go, it's all this IPad can do. All in it together Apr 2016 #346

So, you mean the one that she ultimately voted against: Squinch Apr 2016 #351

Her specific positions today evolved since Bernie's tutuledge. She is hawkish. See SNL... snowy owl Apr 2016 #34

LOL, Hillary was not directed by Bernie. Give me a break. NT BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #65

No, that's triangulation...a third way given. Along with 'whatever it takes'.. haikugal Apr 2016 #87

What policies, though? Squinch Apr 2016 #125

SNL... okaaaaay.... Squinch Apr 2016 #122

SNL...really? HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #396

Refusing to provide health care for all, floriduck Apr 2016 #70

Not true. Sparkly Apr 2016 #98

So she DOES support fracking. floriduck Apr 2016 #103

"we have to have a system in place that prevents further fracking" Sparkly Apr 2016 #107

You stick to your story and I will mine. nm floriduck Apr 2016 #112

FYI Here's how Congress feels about legalizing recreational MJ. floriduck Apr 2016 #123

If president, Bernie will work to take marijuana off the list of controlled substances. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #128

If she doesn't think fracking is good, she should have said so from the beginning. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #156

If a candidate doesnt initially support a position and then changes their mind or puffy socks Apr 2016 #172

You won't get an answer from them Loki Apr 2016 #180

The CFMA was in a budget resolution. It was snuck in by Phil Gramm and one of Hillary's advisors JDPriestly Apr 2016 #184

Strange you should trust Elizabeth Warren, she both agrees with Hillary's Wall Street plan and was a puffy socks Apr 2016 #188

I'm 72. I trust my experience with people. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #215

"my gut feeling" Sparkly Apr 2016 #222

It depends. Rational thought is important, but gut feelings can be very right. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #365

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2016 #350

She is against the TPP? Time for change Apr 2016 #165

The WTO-GATS trade deal Bill signed in 1995 hijacked the entire worlds public services, health care Baobab Apr 2016 #208

de-criminalizing marijuana. period. forget the medical half-way. floppyboo Apr 2016 #138

such talk frightens the vodka and shuffleboard set. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #470

Her much vaunted health care plan was a diversion from the truth which was that they were underminin Baobab Apr 2016 #207

I understand her position on fracking within the United States femmedem Apr 2016 #233

Changing the scheduling from I to II still leaves both recreational AND medical cannabis illegal at Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #246

If she is against single payer, she is against universal health care eridani Apr 2016 #392

Actually.... Joob Apr 2016 #474

Kissinger is a big, big problem for me. I had to read his first book in college and that course JDPriestly Apr 2016 #153

I have no idea what the other poster was saying about Kissinger, Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #175

Made me shudder. The Clintons have pulled the wool over the eyes of too many Democrats. Zen Democrat Apr 2016 #290

Apparently, it is. Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #357

Ronald Reagan HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #399

Shhhhh, don't let them know that people of different political leanings can actually be very fond all american girl Apr 2016 #417

Are any of them named George Bush? If not, none of my comment applies to you. Zen Democrat Apr 2016 #479

Hillary's kind of "globalism" Baobab Apr 2016 #272

SHE BROUGHT IN KISSINGER! JackRiddler Apr 2016 #454

War, fracking, the TPP, student debt, cluster bombs, means-testing Social Security, djean111 Apr 2016 #3

I second this SheenaR Apr 2016 #7

Thank you. Two at a time: War and fracking. Sparkly Apr 2016 #12

Excellent reply. auntpurl Apr 2016 #17

Fracking is terrible for the environment, sure frackers are supporting it All in it together Apr 2016 #44

"... he thinks carefully about what we commit our military men and women to doing." puffy socks Apr 2016 #160

Hillary was wrong to trust Bush. She just does not have the good judgment Bernie has. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #171

Bernie has good judgement? puffy socks Apr 2016 #181

I agree with Bernie's votes on aid to Israel and Egypt and to go to war in Yugoslavia and Somalia. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #187

Bernie voted for the 98 Iraq bill that called for toppling Hussein's govt. puffy socks Apr 2016 #451

And this is just crazy talk. puffy socks Apr 2016 #452

Her father was self-employed. She was the graduate of a prominent JDPriestly Apr 2016 #471

Bernie Sanders voted in favor of giving George Bush unilateral war powers following 9/11 Loki Apr 2016 #185

I agree with the invasion of Afghanistan assuming we were told the truth, and that is where Al Qaeda JDPriestly Apr 2016 #190

So you're ok if your guy does it. Loki Apr 2016 #231

He was voting to fund the troops. He stands by our troops. He is not a pacifist. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #374

It isn't judgement so much as a coherent political philosophy when it comes to international Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #363

The Saudi involvement in 9/11 was very clear. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #186

No kidding. Sparkly Apr 2016 #234

And Bernie did not make that mistake because he bothered to read the documents on which JDPriestly Apr 2016 #366

Hillary gave this vote to GWB and gave him the awesome responsibility, great idea. All in it together Apr 2016 #275

Hillary's Iraq War vote was most likely cast out of political LibDemAlways Apr 2016 #384

The military is a great hammer Meteor Man Apr 2016 #58

Stop all fracking now! Meteor Man Apr 2016 #66

Ban all fossil fuel leasing! Meteor Man Apr 2016 #72

Easy to say. Sparkly Apr 2016 #110

End all fossil fuel tax breaks now! Meteor Man Apr 2016 #117

Yup. Sparkly Apr 2016 #131

And of course, like Obama (and I do like him), Hillary will appoint representatives from the very JDPriestly Apr 2016 #161

"We came, we saw, he died haha."= pro war. nt lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #182

So much sympathy for Gaddafi on DU these days. Sparkly Apr 2016 #223

You know, I thought we all didn't like him. I'm not one who wants someone to die, all american girl Apr 2016 #419

TPP and Student Debt Sparkly Apr 2016 #16

she is also willing to put SS on the chopping block. litlbilly Apr 2016 #19

I don't know where you're getting that. Sparkly Apr 2016 #23

she was for chained CPI, look it up litlbilly Apr 2016 #25

I looked it up. I'm not seeing that. Sparkly Apr 2016 #47

But if Hillary makes SS into a means tested program which is what she said, All in it together Apr 2016 #46

Can you show where she said that? Squinch Apr 2016 #132

You dont get it- If GATS or the WTO says something is the way it is, THATS THE WAY IT IS Baobab Apr 2016 #213

"HRC is a compulsive liar" -- this is rightwing rhetoric. Let's stay on point, please. Sparkly Apr 2016 #224

I stand by my statement Baobab Apr 2016 #225

So "let's stay on point" is a no-go. Got it. Sparkly Apr 2016 #232

Do you see this URL? Type it back to me. Baobab Apr 2016 #236

Maybe you could tell me what it is. Sparkly Apr 2016 #243

Cite seer is a archive site funded by the NSF, the article is in the International journal of health Baobab Apr 2016 #270

Trade Agreement Threats to Health Care Policy Baobab Apr 2016 #271

So all that boils down to the fact that you can NOT show anywhere where she said that. Squinch Apr 2016 #273

Do you mean in 1994, while they were signing away our public services including healthcare forever? Baobab Apr 2016 #281

Again, you cannot show me where Hillary said she's going to means test SS. Squinch Apr 2016 #283

How about Bill Clinton signing a WTO deal that led to the repeal of Glass-Steagall and the subsequ Baobab Apr 2016 #287

Again, you cannot show me where Hillary said she's going to means test SS. Squinch Apr 2016 #291

I didnt say that, but read up on GATS Article I:3 (b) and (c) it will explain a LOT about why I hav Baobab Apr 2016 #300

Again, you cannot show me where Hillary said she's going to means test SS. Squinch Apr 2016 #303

Where did I say of the sort- you have me confused with somebody else Baobab Apr 2016 #313

No, dear. It is you who are confused. Which apparently makes you quite pissy and obnoxious. Squinch Apr 2016 #317

Show me WHERE you think I said that? Baobab Apr 2016 #320

AGAIN, see my post #132 to which you replied, which began this conversation. Squinch Apr 2016 #335

YOU were responding to the previous poster, "all in one together" Baobab Apr 2016 #341

You're kind of a loon, aren't you? Squinch Apr 2016 #342

she's going to pick and chose who will be Karma13612 Apr 2016 #461

Oh, for fuck's sake. So raising the lowest threshholds of SS to benefit the poorest elderly is a Squinch Apr 2016 #467

Can't be following her getting clues all the time to her positions All in it together Apr 2016 #280

So, again, you can't show anywhere where she said that. Squinch Apr 2016 #282

Well played Squinch HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #406

It's not me, it's Sparkly doing the heavy work here. But I am beginning to see that there are Squinch Apr 2016 #408

She was my senator too HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #409

Oh, yum! Enjoy! Squinch Apr 2016 #411

check out this response I offered to another Karma13612 Apr 2016 #462

Nah. Given your drivel response about means testing, I don't think it's worth my effort. Squinch Apr 2016 #468

Hillary "says" a lot of stuff. None of it is believable any more. djean111 Apr 2016 #26

Her actions speak much, much louder than her hollow words. Maedhros Apr 2016 #106

I thought you guys liked a "people's revolution" Sparkly Apr 2016 #227

That made no sense whatsoever. Maedhros Apr 2016 #229

Well it wouldn't, if you have your mind made up. Sparkly Apr 2016 #237

Yes, we looked at issues, words, and actual deeds, and made up our own minds. djean111 Apr 2016 #414

Hillary has not "said" half the things you guys think she has said. But clearly you will not be Squinch Apr 2016 #401

Well, you are giving us generalities about "why" - we'll go with the original: Bernie. snowy owl Apr 2016 #36

Sanders has lost. Going with what you see as the original isn't an option. Squinch Apr 2016 #404

She started out calling it the gold standard of trade agreements mindwalker_i Apr 2016 #89

Your student loan answer is fluff angrychair Apr 2016 #90

Her plan on student debt, as now, will require a huge bureaucracy and a lot of financial forms that JDPriestly Apr 2016 #192

Loans are not the answer as jobs as we know them now are going away for good Baobab Apr 2016 #209

Cluster bombs, Social Security means-testing Sparkly Apr 2016 #22

See above means testing a program (SS) becomes let's do welfare reform again. All in it together Apr 2016 #57

No, more like "the system is rigged" Sparkly Apr 2016 #235

Right, the RW doesn't want to fund means tested programs. All in it together Apr 2016 #284

That has nothing to do with her platform. Sparkly Apr 2016 #312

You seem to think we can trust her platform All in it together Apr 2016 #323

LOL Sparkly Apr 2016 #325

So basically, you are going to demonize her whether she agrees with you or not. Squinch Apr 2016 #412

She has never said she would means test social security. Squinch Apr 2016 #405

Her words on Social Security translate into means-testing. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #195

Which words, please? Sparkly Apr 2016 #248

But other than that, Brother... Orsino Apr 2016 #24

Last two: Single Payer and Abortion Sparkly Apr 2016 #38

Are you part of that Brock group that has $1mil to respond on social media? broiles Apr 2016 #42

Judging by the sheer number of words, I think it's a distinct possibility jack_krass Apr 2016 #45

So, when did writing in complete sentences become a bad thing? all american girl Apr 2016 #56

I was joking. I doubt there's many, if any paid hacks posting in this forum... jack_krass Apr 2016 #75

So sorry, I keep seeing about paid posters, but I think you are right about here. all american girl Apr 2016 #91

I don't doubt there are paid posters, just that they're here :P) jack_krass Apr 2016 #120

You know, I think they are everywhere for everything. Tis the times all american girl Apr 2016 #169

Right? wildeyed Apr 2016 #205

Nope, just had a little time this afternoon. Sparkly Apr 2016 #49

Do you have anything to say about the facts that are being presented here? Squinch Apr 2016 #136

More word parsing by you and Hillary, and triangulating. All in it together Apr 2016 #63

Which words do you feel are parsed or triangulating? Squinch Apr 2016 #139

I lived in Europe for years and enjoyed several of their single-payer, universal healthcare JDPriestly Apr 2016 #196

Nailed it! Faux pas Apr 2016 #53

She accepts the RW narrative on abortion loyalsister Apr 2016 #4

+1 demmiblue Apr 2016 #6

Not true. Sparkly Apr 2016 #52

Except when she isn't mindwalker_i Apr 2016 #85

I have not seen that. Sparkly Apr 2016 #130

Here you go mindwalker_i Apr 2016 #173

"I see nothing about 9th month" Sparkly Apr 2016 #238

Oh, the "context" explanaition mindwalker_i Apr 2016 #274

Okay. Sparkly Apr 2016 #314

Ooooooo, Sparkly, they got you...do you feel the bern all american girl Apr 2016 #421

I've seen people who are against her suggesting that, but I have never seen any credible source Squinch Apr 2016 #142

Not quite. Chezboo Apr 2016 #93

Not many people support no restrictions on abortion. Zynx Apr 2016 #168

Actually, in recent discussions she has weinied out of most abortions. peace13 Apr 2016 #133

What makes you say so? I have not seen this. Squinch Apr 2016 #144

It was in an interview. peace13 Apr 2016 #154

I've never heard this from her. Or anything like this. And I can't imagine PP would be backing her Squinch Apr 2016 #159

Don't get me started on PP. peace13 Apr 2016 #415

PP is all that stood between me and disaster many times. And that is true for millions of women. Squinch Apr 2016 #416

Don't be angry. peace13 Apr 2016 #418

Of all the things that are thrown around in this election, that is the ONE that makes me feel rage. Squinch Apr 2016 #420

I'm very sorry you feel that way. peace13 Apr 2016 #422

Rest assured. I feel great malice toward those who are making it harder for PP to raise the money Squinch Apr 2016 #423

I think I found the interview you are talking about. Was it the one with Squinch Apr 2016 #394

I know she did loyalsister Apr 2016 #193

Sorry. You are wrong. Sparkly Apr 2016 #256

Who other than pro-lifers say "unborn person"? loyalsister Apr 2016 #288

Everyone is using lots of angry words, but no one is providing any links that show that Hillary Squinch Apr 2016 #278

Her own words loyalsister Apr 2016 #285

Read the whole statement. She is saying that it could never happen. Squinch Apr 2016 #289

She said it hasn't happened, but she's open to it if it does loyalsister Apr 2016 #294

She's saying there will never be a bill that fits that criteria. Squinch Apr 2016 #296

Direct quote from her mouth loyalsister Apr 2016 #298

I see the problem here. Squinch Apr 2016 #332

She enablingaccepting the narrative loyalsister Apr 2016 #347

She's trying to put in place a nationwide protection for women who Squinch Apr 2016 #348

She sold out women and children in the 90s loyalsister Apr 2016 #349

Oh, just admit that she never moved to restrict abortion rights in any way. She has been completely Squinch Apr 2016 #353

I'm talking about what she says herself that she is open to loyalsister Apr 2016 #368

Now you are being ridiculous. She is trying to expand abortion rights, and somehow that Squinch Apr 2016 #390

Since you are so certain loyalsister Apr 2016 #428

I've already shown that what she said in that interview was that she wants to extend abortion rights Squinch Apr 2016 #435

so naive. nashville_brook Apr 2016 #328

Wrong. Sparkly Apr 2016 #333

I would suggest you look at post #332. Squinch does a very good job. all american girl Apr 2016 #424

i would suggest you look at history. nashville_brook Apr 2016 #437

Hillary's history is one of absolutely consistent and strong support for women's rights, including Squinch Apr 2016 #448

this article lists a few of her anti-progressive actions: amborin Apr 2016 #5

The way you posed your question should give you all the answer you need........ Sivart Apr 2016 #8

The way that you refuse to answer the question wildeyed Apr 2016 #9

I didnt refuse to answer at all..... Sivart Apr 2016 #10

You did refuse. wildeyed Apr 2016 #194

You clearly don't understand your own words..... Sivart Apr 2016 #198

Okay -- I see "fracking, the banks, use of military force" Sparkly Apr 2016 #247

Hillary doesn't support the reinstatement of Glass-Steagall. All in it together Apr 2016 #292

Right. Because it's slightly more complex than that. Sparkly Apr 2016 #302

What specific policy do you think she spouts beedle Apr 2016 #11

Her stance on Cannabis. DookDook Apr 2016 #13

Agreed. Her stance is what lost Colorado, Alaska and Washington. shalafi Apr 2016 #28

and the states that have legalized mj have drops in the opiate deaths questionseverything Apr 2016 #60

She doesn't support the "for profit prison industry" Sparkly Apr 2016 #64

history tells us the clintons practically invented the for profit prison industry questionseverything Apr 2016 #81

If you've decided not to believe anything she says Sparkly Apr 2016 #105

i believe what i have seen and lived thru questionseverything Apr 2016 #118

I believe what I have seen and lived through, as well. Sparkly Apr 2016 #127

Yes, and also a win/win for the pharmaceutical industry that hc gets $ from. All in it together Apr 2016 #69

yes the pharms would like nothing better than to take a weed anyone can grow questionseverything Apr 2016 #86

Exactly, then they'd be all for it. All in it together Apr 2016 #297

And drop in opiates equals less Trump supporters! nt floppyboo Apr 2016 #170

I don't see that as left/right. Sparkly Apr 2016 #61

The problem is that the federal government is already involved. potone Apr 2016 #166

I'm not versed in her position on recreational marijuana. I know she is supportive of medical Squinch Apr 2016 #150

I don't think any show her as not being a democrat. I'ts a big tent. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #14

What's her stance on the Death Penalty? cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #15

She doesn't want to abolish it. nt DookDook Apr 2016 #31

Which is absolutely disgusting. A real Democrat would oppose it. Arugula Latte Apr 2016 #67

She'd like to see it struck down. Sparkly Apr 2016 #71

This from the article: cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #80

She "faced sharp questions" on those issues. Sparkly Apr 2016 #116

Well first lets define liberal WDIM Apr 2016 #20

Excellent post. Thanks. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #199

Well said! deathrind Apr 2016 #383

That's all we do here. How do you miss it? This says a lot about the bubble you're in. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #21

+1 leeroysphitz Apr 2016 #35

Honduras SHRED Apr 2016 #27

Allegedly. Sparkly Apr 2016 #59

It was a military coup and our own state department said so Chiquitita Apr 2016 #143

As with Libya, it seems you like the idea of a Revolution Sparkly Apr 2016 #228

uh, wha? Chiquitita Apr 2016 #449

Hillary said part of the coup were legal and parts weren't creeksneakers2 Apr 2016 #382

if parts aren't legal, then is the coup legal? Chiquitita Apr 2016 #450

What choice was there? creeksneakers2 Apr 2016 #469

She decided what to do as SoS, and acted Chiquitita Apr 2016 #478

I think they call this a hanging curveball kaleckim Apr 2016 #29

First sentence Sparkly Apr 2016 #68

In the present tense.... Sivart Apr 2016 #76

In her recent past, she was one of the most liberal Senators in Congress redstateblues Apr 2016 #322

God forbid we look back at anything not present tense, how about future tense? All in it together Apr 2016 #79

We could go around and around revisiting the 1990s. Sparkly Apr 2016 #101

You are all over the place logically kaleckim Apr 2016 #115

I'd like to discuss her policy proposals. Sparkly Apr 2016 #126

Man, this is freakin funny..... Sivart Apr 2016 #200

That's correct. Sparkly Apr 2016 #230

I wouldn't vote for GWB because of what happened during his presidency in addition to the JDPriestly Apr 2016 #202

GWB, and any other past presidents, are not at issue. Sparkly Apr 2016 #239

But the principle that when you hire someone, you ask for a resume and you look to see JDPriestly Apr 2016 #369

You are saying that the Clintons didn't pull the party to the right? All in it together Apr 2016 #306

That's right. Sparkly Apr 2016 #311

What nonsense kaleckim Apr 2016 #463

So kaleckim Apr 2016 #108

No, her record is clear. Sparkly Apr 2016 #113

"I'm not reading your posts past the first sentence" kaleckim Apr 2016 #121

You're not giving "objective reality" Sparkly Apr 2016 #134

So, essentially kaleckim Apr 2016 #446

I see you are ignoring the majority of content of a very substantive post. Arugula Latte Apr 2016 #183

It's really hard for a Hillary supporter to have to deal with the fact that we who support JDPriestly Apr 2016 #211

Sorry. We don't get to limit comments on DU in that way. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #201

It's my thread. Sparkly Apr 2016 #249

CTR... deathrind Apr 2016 #30

Sanders vs. Clinton on Issues Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #32

Not correct. Sparkly Apr 2016 #73

Bernie Sanders wants to federally legalize marijuana. Clinton doesn't. Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #95

His bill has zero co-sponsors. Sparkly Apr 2016 #102

Awesome, her bill has zero sponsors too. peace13 Apr 2016 #140

She's not in the Senate...so how could that be? all american girl Apr 2016 #427

But the one she wrote while she was in the Senate... peace13 Apr 2016 #429

Oh, what bill is that? Thanks all american girl Apr 2016 #430

My point exactly! peace13 Apr 2016 #431

Huh? all american girl Apr 2016 #433

If the states are to truly legalize marijuana, it needs to be taken off the controlled substance JDPriestly Apr 2016 #220

I wonder how these states are managing Sparkly Apr 2016 #250

Some of the biggest problems with pot legalization are banking and taxation. Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #304

How close is it to getting passed federally? Sparkly Apr 2016 #307

Not close at all. Just like plenty of HRC proposals aren't close at all to becoming law. Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #309

Hyde Sparkly Apr 2016 #316

The states can crack down themselves if they want to. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #371

Ah states rights = ---- got it dr60omg Apr 2016 #163

Bernie wants to take marijuana off the controlled substances list. Is she willing to do that. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #212

He can want it all he wants. Sparkly Apr 2016 #258

But until marijuana is off the list of controlled substances, the federal government can enforce JDPriestly Apr 2016 #260

When's the last time the feds stormed Colorado to crack down on pot? Sparkly Apr 2016 #266

Obama has led the feds not to, and Clinton respects his example. Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #308

It's a matter of the law. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #373

Well my state is run by the Republicans, and if you buy MJ in one state you can't take it across All in it together Apr 2016 #310

bankruptcy bill, iraq war, minimum wage, kissinger, dlc affiliation, lgbt, crimebill, healthcare... leeroysphitz Apr 2016 #33

I don't see "progressives" being vilified. Sparkly Apr 2016 #74

Hatred. Opposition is now hatred? I mean even STAUNCH opposition shouldn't be labeled leeroysphitz Apr 2016 #82

I agree with you. Staunch opposition is one thing. Sparkly Apr 2016 #94

That's politics. People don't just vote on ideas. They also vote for a person. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #217

I'm taking the "personalities" out of it Sparkly Apr 2016 #252

Actually in my case, I just really like Bernie. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #257

I know "you just like him" Sparkly Apr 2016 #261

You say you want reasonable discussion and then add "the hatred of HRC is irrational" Armstead Apr 2016 #189

Yes Sparkly Apr 2016 #253

I do Armstead Apr 2016 #361

One of the issues on which I strongly disagree with Hillary is the NSA surveillance. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #214

I'm not sure you understand NSA surveillance Sparkly Apr 2016 #254

Her view that Edward Snowden should face serious penalties for having revealed the program JDPriestly Apr 2016 #372

"I haven't been proven wrong so far." kaleckim Apr 2016 #464

The problem is that Bernie is free to make all sorts of wild ass promises of stuff The_Casual_Observer Apr 2016 #37

"that can never happen..." These people are done with status quo. So is Bernie. snowy owl Apr 2016 #43

Actually I support Bernie, fully aware that he has no chance of ever being able to fulfill any The_Casual_Observer Apr 2016 #50

So they and you are supporting someone who can't get anything done? Are you paid to post? snowy owl Apr 2016 #119

What is this paid to post shit? I've here for 13+ years for better or worse The_Casual_Observer Apr 2016 #135

It makes no sense to keep repeating "he can't do it" and then say you are a supporter. snowy owl Apr 2016 #145

Everything he proposes I'm all for and support. However turning these The_Casual_Observer Apr 2016 #151

I agree. And it will be hard and he knows it and he says it. No pie in the sky. He's been around. snowy owl Apr 2016 #157

Read his book, Outsider in the White House, and you will learn how he will accomplish JDPriestly Apr 2016 #219

I'm just looking at current positions, but Sparkly Apr 2016 #244

You probably are. He works well with other people, and the proof that he has accomplished JDPriestly Apr 2016 #370

Yet only ONE (1) of his Senate colleagues think enough of Bernie to endorse him. NurseJackie Apr 2016 #54

They endorsed early. Just like Obama SD can change. You should know that. Were you here in 2008? snowy owl Apr 2016 #137

Early endorsement meant the choice was obvious and easy. :-D NurseJackie Apr 2016 #149

Your opinion but wrong. Lists of people supporting Bernie... snowy owl Apr 2016 #158

I wouldn't know. You'll have to ask them. NurseJackie Apr 2016 #164

Yes, that's the luxury of being an "Outsider." Sparkly Apr 2016 #78

Why can't Hillary do talk about what she would like to do? JDPriestly Apr 2016 #218

Clinton pushed trade deals are waging a global war on public services Baobab Apr 2016 #286

There are many, but for me, #1 is that.... jack_krass Apr 2016 #39

"This means she has a huge debt" Sparkly Apr 2016 #84

I don't begrudge anybody from making as much money as they can, jack_krass Apr 2016 #191

That is nonsense. She provided a service as a keynote speaker and was paid for it. She also worked Lucinda Apr 2016 #197

This OP isn't listening. Responds with current talking points. Bernie was original. snowy owl Apr 2016 #40

I'm sorry if you don't like what I'm saying. Sparkly Apr 2016 #88

Why not "her IWR vote"? Or, why not her record? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #41

I heard her floor speech. Sparkly Apr 2016 #92

Fracking AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #48

Chamber of Commerce believe Clinton will be "currently" in favor of TPP after elected Arizona Roadrunner Apr 2016 #51

Bingo! Meteor Man Apr 2016 #376

What's Missing Armstead Apr 2016 #55

warmonger Vattel Apr 2016 #62

Supporting war in Libya, Iraq, Syria, and soon to be Iran. Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #77

which day? 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #83

Here's a question for you pdsimdars Apr 2016 #96

It's been up here for a day and they have no answers. What else is new? . . . . . . . pdsimdars Apr 2016 #460

I know her stance on issues. Loudestlib Apr 2016 #97

EXCELLENT: WHAT IS SHE CAMPAIGNING ON? Or is it simply Obama's Legacy? snowy owl Apr 2016 #226

Not enough fit-on-a-bumper-sticker slogans for ya? Sparkly Apr 2016 #301

Thanks for the non-answer. Typical. You asked Sanders' supporters and you got long lists. snowy owl Apr 2016 #355

Making Honduras ripe for picking. Octafish Apr 2016 #99

Why Hillary's Not a Real Democrat in the 21st Century: Zen Democrat Apr 2016 #100

the no fly zone in Syria DonCoquixote Apr 2016 #104

Here's a few.... berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #109

It isn't so much what she claims her policies will be but the fact that, based on the bills signed JDPriestly Apr 2016 #111

Why do I feel like this is a marketing focus group? northernsouthern Apr 2016 #114

Yes. That is pretty obvious, and I think the focus group leader has recognized that JDPriestly Apr 2016 #221

Uh, because it's not a "Here's another thing I hate about her" topic? Sparkly Apr 2016 #305

Oh, you are spot on, methinks. djean111 Apr 2016 #426

I give you credit for asking! And you received a lot of good input here. peace13 Apr 2016 #129

The best predictor of future behavior is … past behavior basselope Apr 2016 #141

Only the stuff she started saying since she lost in 2008 and the Draft Warren movement scared her? merrily Apr 2016 #146

She is for TPP onecaliberal Apr 2016 #147

Not true. Sparkly Apr 2016 #265

Keep your head buried. Chamber of Commerce says she will be for it again after election onecaliberal Apr 2016 #344

Okay, I have to leave this here. The "issues" are getting repetitive anyway. Sparkly Apr 2016 #148

Spoken like a true Hillary supporter. peace13 Apr 2016 #152

I'd say the PATRIOT act and issues of freedom of speech like encryption they're polar opposites. JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #155

You'll read. Bernie says differences. He's right. You don't want to hear them. snowy owl Apr 2016 #167

"the dems thanks to the DLC are now in a position where Republicans used to be" Sparkly Apr 2016 #241

Abortion. Her dumb ass statement, with video. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #162

That's about EXPANDING what now exists in law. Sparkly Apr 2016 #242

She is talking about a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT about abortion. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #245

Do you have a link or citation or any evidence for this, please? Sparkly Apr 2016 #263

Yes -- post #162 in this thread, in bold, along with the video IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #269

For EXPANDING Roe to go through 9 months Sparkly Apr 2016 #299

Did you read or view what SHE SAID? IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #319

Ida, really? Sparkly Apr 2016 #321

"Are there reasonable restrictions you would support on abortion?" YES. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #389

I think abortion is one of the stupidest issues I've underthematrix Apr 2016 #387

I agree with you. nt IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #388

Don't forget the War on (people who use) Drugs and mass incarceration! nt Romulox Apr 2016 #174

More misinformation. Sparkly Apr 2016 #267

From that steaming pile of shit you linked to: jack_krass Apr 2016 #329

Not that you're predisposed to hold any rigid opinions, but Sparkly Apr 2016 #336

Oh, so now it's just partial legalization,, riiiight jack_krass Apr 2016 #339

And trying to go the whole way will get Sparkly Apr 2016 #343

Well, im a "go the whole way" type of guy jack_krass Apr 2016 #356

She's a War Hawk. senz Apr 2016 #176

Medicare for All...Not a chance her donors would not like it bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #177

Been a very interesting thread... AuntPatsy Apr 2016 #178

The silliest thing about this whole thread...... Sivart Apr 2016 #179

Since she has multiple positions for each policy... dchill Apr 2016 #203

democracy Baobab Apr 2016 #204

There are none. n/t Lucinda Apr 2016 #206

No fly zone and regime change in Syria. morningfog Apr 2016 #210

These are just a few off the top of my head... liberalnarb Apr 2016 #216

Just thought I'd skip to the bottom... Many addressed above. Sparkly Apr 2016 #240

Why did you bother to ask FreakinDJ Apr 2016 #251

Wrong. Sparkly Apr 2016 #262

Dilusional FreakinDJ Apr 2016 #279

Fracking, Pay to play, Pandering to wealthy donors, Wars. insta8er Apr 2016 #259

Already answered. Sparkly Apr 2016 #264

I haven't seen much of you lately ... Trajan Apr 2016 #268

See ya! Sparkly Apr 2016 #293

When people say they won't vote for Hillary because she voted for the IWR, and then I ask them Squinch Apr 2016 #436

Did you vote for Kerry? Squinch Apr 2016 #340

She is pro-war and pro-Wall Street welfare egalitegirl Apr 2016 #277

And what in her policy platform convinces you of that? Sparkly Apr 2016 #295

I take her record into consideration egalitegirl Apr 2016 #337

Binary thinking. Sparkly Apr 2016 #338

It is not like loyalty to a royal family egalitegirl Apr 2016 #364

hmm... chervilant Apr 2016 #381

Over 300 replies and it's not on the home page? All in it together Apr 2016 #315

One guess. Sparkly Apr 2016 #318

Democratic Primary forum posts don't go to the home page TheDormouse Apr 2016 #442

Remember, you asked TheFarseer Apr 2016 #324

"specific number of a bill" Sparkly Apr 2016 #330

Her stated policies are more or less ok. But who believes what she states? DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #327

That's the subjective part I'm separating out. Sparkly Apr 2016 #331

Well, it didn't work out for you. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #360

Actually, that's the problem. Chan790 Apr 2016 #402

Well-stated A Little Weird Apr 2016 #432

People who don't hate her with wingerish vigor? tia uponit7771 Apr 2016 #352

Your framing is wrong, but if we accept your terms, you're referring to a small minority. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #359

Grrrr, She has the audacity! fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #345

Doesn't she realize there's a revolution on? How dare she get all those people to vote for her! Squinch Apr 2016 #354

I know! fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #362

She doesn't have any Tiggeroshii Apr 2016 #358

I'll bite Aerows Apr 2016 #367

Non sequitur, no promises were made. fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #375

No they aren't Aerows Apr 2016 #378

In the age of Al Gore's internets it's easy to vet to one's desire. fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #439

Indeed it is Aerows Apr 2016 #440

Be prepared then. fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #443

I'm prepared for the truth. Aerows Apr 2016 #444

Perhaps this will help... chervilant Apr 2016 #377

Zombie Diary Meteor Man Apr 2016 #379

Oh Sparkly MFM008 Apr 2016 #385

...War she was LIED to by of all people Colin Powell. BERNIE KNEW...he checks, she gives speeches. snowy owl Apr 2016 #473

Move the goalposts! The critics have a point! (Or 30 points, rather) Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #386

So whether she agrees with you or not, it doesn't matter. Nothing she does will be good enough. Squinch Apr 2016 #425

A lot of what she HAS DONE was not good at all. That is my position. Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #445

So you are saying that nothing she can do will make you support her, correct? Squinch Apr 2016 #447

True for me. I didn't vote Clinton in 96 and I won't vote HRC 2016. Write in Bernie. snowy owl Apr 2016 #455

So, that means that your opinions are completely irrelevant with respect to the general election. Squinch Apr 2016 #465

There is plenty she can do to win my support. But paying lipservice to something she will abandon at Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #457

So you know that most of these things aren't going to happen. Squinch Apr 2016 #466

That is just arrogance. Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #472

Not arrogance, just realism. The primary is over. Your candidate is now out of the race. Squinch Apr 2016 #475

Yes, it is arrogant to declare the race over when neither candidate has as yet secured a majority. Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #477

If you are restricting people to the information in her My Good Babushka Apr 2016 #403

Iraq War Vote - TPP - Wall Street Campaign Donations - Clinton Foundation Fraud - Nuff Said cantbeserious Apr 2016 #407

Marijuana legalization! B Calm Apr 2016 #410

Her 4nic8em Apr 2016 #413

You should do your own research A Little Weird Apr 2016 #434

you mean this week? azurnoir Apr 2016 #438

How Hillary Clinton's State Department Sold Fracking to the World B Calm Apr 2016 #441

Corp influence on Hillary.US companies sell tobacco/fracking abroad. And she cares about children? snowy owl Apr 2016 #456

The fact of the matter is we don't know how Hillary will govern. I suspect we'll find out. YOHABLO Apr 2016 #453

TPP. The Corporate State. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #458

So called Clintoncare or Hillarycare was a diversion from a contemporaneous trade deal negotiation Baobab Apr 2016 #459

This is bogus! Beowulf Apr 2016 #476

WTO-GATS agreement which started a global war on public services like healthcare and higher educatat Baobab May 2016 #480