2016 Postmortem

Sparkly

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247. Okay -- I see "fracking, the banks, use of military force"

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:00 PM

Apr 2016

all abbreviations for mischaracterizations and accusations.

Fracking -- she has a comprehensive energy plan; puts strict regulations on fracking that would protect people; combined with her broader plan, she wants to end it. (By contrast, by the way, Sanders' energy "plan" has been criticized as doing more harm than good... Refute "Mr. Sanders's War on Clean Energy" by the WaPo Editorial Board: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mr-sanderss-war-on-clean-energy/2016/04/18/f2e0cef0-05ac-11e6-a12f-ea5aed7958dc_story.html

"The Banks" -- I am not sure what this means. Is is that she hasn't said she'll "break up the big banks" as though there were a hatchet at hand to do it? Her plan actually goes much further, taking on the big banks AND other industries: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/wall-street/

"Use of military force" -- This is history, and I won't argue the distortions. It's easy to say "She loves war! She supports killing children!" which is ABSURD. I'll just say that she is the most knowledgeable and experienced candidate on foreign policy we've seen in --- maybe ever. Her policies on national security: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/national-security/

Nothing in any of that that deserves the demonization of her as a "Centrist DINO Rightwing" whatever.

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What specific POLICY POSITIONS show Sec. Clinton to be "Not Liberal" or "Not a Democrat?" [View all] Sparkly Apr 2016 OP

Kissinger kinship RobertEarl Apr 2016 #1

Could you cite the quote please? Sparkly Apr 2016 #2

she voted for the bankruptcy bill, that alone should do it. litlbilly Apr 2016 #18

Which bankruptcy bill? Squinch Apr 2016 #124

The one that Elizabeth Warren talked with her about in the 90s All in it together Apr 2016 #255

Well then provide the link or name the bill. Because your statement right now is that Squinch Apr 2016 #276

It's been on DU many times All in it together Apr 2016 #326

So the best you can do to describe this bill that has turned you against Hillary is to say that Squinch Apr 2016 #334

Understand *this* Baobab Apr 2016 #380

You again. Do you never address the subject in the post you are replying to? Squinch Apr 2016 #391

Wouldn't it be... HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #393

Don't you know that we are now a full on Republican spin machine, and must always Squinch Apr 2016 #395

Lol HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #397

A bunch of times. I saw it in Breitbart, and they know the score. Squinch Apr 2016 #398

Word. HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #400

Here ya go, it's all this IPad can do. All in it together Apr 2016 #346

So, you mean the one that she ultimately voted against: Squinch Apr 2016 #351

Her specific positions today evolved since Bernie's tutuledge. She is hawkish. See SNL... snowy owl Apr 2016 #34

LOL, Hillary was not directed by Bernie. Give me a break. NT BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #65

No, that's triangulation...a third way given. Along with 'whatever it takes'.. haikugal Apr 2016 #87

What policies, though? Squinch Apr 2016 #125

SNL... okaaaaay.... Squinch Apr 2016 #122

SNL...really? HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #396

Refusing to provide health care for all, floriduck Apr 2016 #70

Not true. Sparkly Apr 2016 #98

So she DOES support fracking. floriduck Apr 2016 #103

"we have to have a system in place that prevents further fracking" Sparkly Apr 2016 #107

You stick to your story and I will mine. nm floriduck Apr 2016 #112

FYI Here's how Congress feels about legalizing recreational MJ. floriduck Apr 2016 #123

If president, Bernie will work to take marijuana off the list of controlled substances. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #128

If she doesn't think fracking is good, she should have said so from the beginning. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #156

If a candidate doesnt initially support a position and then changes their mind or puffy socks Apr 2016 #172

You won't get an answer from them Loki Apr 2016 #180

The CFMA was in a budget resolution. It was snuck in by Phil Gramm and one of Hillary's advisors JDPriestly Apr 2016 #184

Strange you should trust Elizabeth Warren, she both agrees with Hillary's Wall Street plan and was a puffy socks Apr 2016 #188

I'm 72. I trust my experience with people. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #215

"my gut feeling" Sparkly Apr 2016 #222

It depends. Rational thought is important, but gut feelings can be very right. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #365

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2016 #350

She is against the TPP? Time for change Apr 2016 #165

The WTO-GATS trade deal Bill signed in 1995 hijacked the entire worlds public services, health care Baobab Apr 2016 #208

de-criminalizing marijuana. period. forget the medical half-way. floppyboo Apr 2016 #138

such talk frightens the vodka and shuffleboard set. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #470

Her much vaunted health care plan was a diversion from the truth which was that they were underminin Baobab Apr 2016 #207

I understand her position on fracking within the United States femmedem Apr 2016 #233

Changing the scheduling from I to II still leaves both recreational AND medical cannabis illegal at Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #246

If she is against single payer, she is against universal health care eridani Apr 2016 #392

Actually.... Joob Apr 2016 #474

Kissinger is a big, big problem for me. I had to read his first book in college and that course JDPriestly Apr 2016 #153

I have no idea what the other poster was saying about Kissinger, Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #175

Made me shudder. The Clintons have pulled the wool over the eyes of too many Democrats. Zen Democrat Apr 2016 #290

Apparently, it is. Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #357

Ronald Reagan HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #399

Shhhhh, don't let them know that people of different political leanings can actually be very fond all american girl Apr 2016 #417

Are any of them named George Bush? If not, none of my comment applies to you. Zen Democrat Apr 2016 #479

Hillary's kind of "globalism" Baobab Apr 2016 #272

SHE BROUGHT IN KISSINGER! JackRiddler Apr 2016 #454

War, fracking, the TPP, student debt, cluster bombs, means-testing Social Security, djean111 Apr 2016 #3

I second this SheenaR Apr 2016 #7

Thank you. Two at a time: War and fracking. Sparkly Apr 2016 #12

Excellent reply. auntpurl Apr 2016 #17

Fracking is terrible for the environment, sure frackers are supporting it All in it together Apr 2016 #44

"... he thinks carefully about what we commit our military men and women to doing." puffy socks Apr 2016 #160

Hillary was wrong to trust Bush. She just does not have the good judgment Bernie has. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #171

Bernie has good judgement? puffy socks Apr 2016 #181

I agree with Bernie's votes on aid to Israel and Egypt and to go to war in Yugoslavia and Somalia. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #187

Bernie voted for the 98 Iraq bill that called for toppling Hussein's govt. puffy socks Apr 2016 #451

And this is just crazy talk. puffy socks Apr 2016 #452

Her father was self-employed. She was the graduate of a prominent JDPriestly Apr 2016 #471

Bernie Sanders voted in favor of giving George Bush unilateral war powers following 9/11 Loki Apr 2016 #185

I agree with the invasion of Afghanistan assuming we were told the truth, and that is where Al Qaeda JDPriestly Apr 2016 #190

So you're ok if your guy does it. Loki Apr 2016 #231

He was voting to fund the troops. He stands by our troops. He is not a pacifist. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #374

It isn't judgement so much as a coherent political philosophy when it comes to international Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #363

The Saudi involvement in 9/11 was very clear. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #186

No kidding. Sparkly Apr 2016 #234

And Bernie did not make that mistake because he bothered to read the documents on which JDPriestly Apr 2016 #366

Hillary gave this vote to GWB and gave him the awesome responsibility, great idea. All in it together Apr 2016 #275

Hillary's Iraq War vote was most likely cast out of political LibDemAlways Apr 2016 #384

The military is a great hammer Meteor Man Apr 2016 #58

Stop all fracking now! Meteor Man Apr 2016 #66

Ban all fossil fuel leasing! Meteor Man Apr 2016 #72

Easy to say. Sparkly Apr 2016 #110

End all fossil fuel tax breaks now! Meteor Man Apr 2016 #117

Yup. Sparkly Apr 2016 #131

And of course, like Obama (and I do like him), Hillary will appoint representatives from the very JDPriestly Apr 2016 #161

"We came, we saw, he died haha."= pro war. nt lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #182

So much sympathy for Gaddafi on DU these days. Sparkly Apr 2016 #223

You know, I thought we all didn't like him. I'm not one who wants someone to die, all american girl Apr 2016 #419

TPP and Student Debt Sparkly Apr 2016 #16

she is also willing to put SS on the chopping block. litlbilly Apr 2016 #19

I don't know where you're getting that. Sparkly Apr 2016 #23

she was for chained CPI, look it up litlbilly Apr 2016 #25

I looked it up. I'm not seeing that. Sparkly Apr 2016 #47

But if Hillary makes SS into a means tested program which is what she said, All in it together Apr 2016 #46

Can you show where she said that? Squinch Apr 2016 #132

You dont get it- If GATS or the WTO says something is the way it is, THATS THE WAY IT IS Baobab Apr 2016 #213

"HRC is a compulsive liar" -- this is rightwing rhetoric. Let's stay on point, please. Sparkly Apr 2016 #224

I stand by my statement Baobab Apr 2016 #225

So "let's stay on point" is a no-go. Got it. Sparkly Apr 2016 #232

Do you see this URL? Type it back to me. Baobab Apr 2016 #236

Maybe you could tell me what it is. Sparkly Apr 2016 #243

Cite seer is a archive site funded by the NSF, the article is in the International journal of health Baobab Apr 2016 #270

Trade Agreement Threats to Health Care Policy Baobab Apr 2016 #271

So all that boils down to the fact that you can NOT show anywhere where she said that. Squinch Apr 2016 #273

Do you mean in 1994, while they were signing away our public services including healthcare forever? Baobab Apr 2016 #281

Again, you cannot show me where Hillary said she's going to means test SS. Squinch Apr 2016 #283

How about Bill Clinton signing a WTO deal that led to the repeal of Glass-Steagall and the subsequ Baobab Apr 2016 #287

Again, you cannot show me where Hillary said she's going to means test SS. Squinch Apr 2016 #291

I didnt say that, but read up on GATS Article I:3 (b) and (c) it will explain a LOT about why I hav Baobab Apr 2016 #300

Again, you cannot show me where Hillary said she's going to means test SS. Squinch Apr 2016 #303

Where did I say of the sort- you have me confused with somebody else Baobab Apr 2016 #313

No, dear. It is you who are confused. Which apparently makes you quite pissy and obnoxious. Squinch Apr 2016 #317

Show me WHERE you think I said that? Baobab Apr 2016 #320

AGAIN, see my post #132 to which you replied, which began this conversation. Squinch Apr 2016 #335

YOU were responding to the previous poster, "all in one together" Baobab Apr 2016 #341

You're kind of a loon, aren't you? Squinch Apr 2016 #342

she's going to pick and chose who will be Karma13612 Apr 2016 #461

Oh, for fuck's sake. So raising the lowest threshholds of SS to benefit the poorest elderly is a Squinch Apr 2016 #467

Can't be following her getting clues all the time to her positions All in it together Apr 2016 #280

So, again, you can't show anywhere where she said that. Squinch Apr 2016 #282

Well played Squinch HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #406

It's not me, it's Sparkly doing the heavy work here. But I am beginning to see that there are Squinch Apr 2016 #408

She was my senator too HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #409

Oh, yum! Enjoy! Squinch Apr 2016 #411

check out this response I offered to another Karma13612 Apr 2016 #462

Nah. Given your drivel response about means testing, I don't think it's worth my effort. Squinch Apr 2016 #468

Hillary "says" a lot of stuff. None of it is believable any more. djean111 Apr 2016 #26

Her actions speak much, much louder than her hollow words. Maedhros Apr 2016 #106

I thought you guys liked a "people's revolution" Sparkly Apr 2016 #227

That made no sense whatsoever. Maedhros Apr 2016 #229

Well it wouldn't, if you have your mind made up. Sparkly Apr 2016 #237

Yes, we looked at issues, words, and actual deeds, and made up our own minds. djean111 Apr 2016 #414

Hillary has not "said" half the things you guys think she has said. But clearly you will not be Squinch Apr 2016 #401

Well, you are giving us generalities about "why" - we'll go with the original: Bernie. snowy owl Apr 2016 #36

Sanders has lost. Going with what you see as the original isn't an option. Squinch Apr 2016 #404

She started out calling it the gold standard of trade agreements mindwalker_i Apr 2016 #89

Your student loan answer is fluff angrychair Apr 2016 #90

Her plan on student debt, as now, will require a huge bureaucracy and a lot of financial forms that JDPriestly Apr 2016 #192

Loans are not the answer as jobs as we know them now are going away for good Baobab Apr 2016 #209

Cluster bombs, Social Security means-testing Sparkly Apr 2016 #22

See above means testing a program (SS) becomes let's do welfare reform again. All in it together Apr 2016 #57

No, more like "the system is rigged" Sparkly Apr 2016 #235

Right, the RW doesn't want to fund means tested programs. All in it together Apr 2016 #284

That has nothing to do with her platform. Sparkly Apr 2016 #312

You seem to think we can trust her platform All in it together Apr 2016 #323

LOL Sparkly Apr 2016 #325

So basically, you are going to demonize her whether she agrees with you or not. Squinch Apr 2016 #412

She has never said she would means test social security. Squinch Apr 2016 #405

Her words on Social Security translate into means-testing. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #195

Which words, please? Sparkly Apr 2016 #248

But other than that, Brother... Orsino Apr 2016 #24

Last two: Single Payer and Abortion Sparkly Apr 2016 #38

Are you part of that Brock group that has $1mil to respond on social media? broiles Apr 2016 #42

Judging by the sheer number of words, I think it's a distinct possibility jack_krass Apr 2016 #45

So, when did writing in complete sentences become a bad thing? all american girl Apr 2016 #56

I was joking. I doubt there's many, if any paid hacks posting in this forum... jack_krass Apr 2016 #75

So sorry, I keep seeing about paid posters, but I think you are right about here. all american girl Apr 2016 #91

I don't doubt there are paid posters, just that they're here :P) jack_krass Apr 2016 #120

You know, I think they are everywhere for everything. Tis the times all american girl Apr 2016 #169

Right? wildeyed Apr 2016 #205

Nope, just had a little time this afternoon. Sparkly Apr 2016 #49

Do you have anything to say about the facts that are being presented here? Squinch Apr 2016 #136

More word parsing by you and Hillary, and triangulating. All in it together Apr 2016 #63

Which words do you feel are parsed or triangulating? Squinch Apr 2016 #139

I lived in Europe for years and enjoyed several of their single-payer, universal healthcare JDPriestly Apr 2016 #196

Nailed it! Faux pas Apr 2016 #53

She accepts the RW narrative on abortion loyalsister Apr 2016 #4

+1 demmiblue Apr 2016 #6

Not true. Sparkly Apr 2016 #52

Except when she isn't mindwalker_i Apr 2016 #85

I have not seen that. Sparkly Apr 2016 #130

Here you go mindwalker_i Apr 2016 #173

"I see nothing about 9th month" Sparkly Apr 2016 #238

Oh, the "context" explanaition mindwalker_i Apr 2016 #274

Okay. Sparkly Apr 2016 #314

Ooooooo, Sparkly, they got you...do you feel the bern all american girl Apr 2016 #421

I've seen people who are against her suggesting that, but I have never seen any credible source Squinch Apr 2016 #142

Not quite. Chezboo Apr 2016 #93

Not many people support no restrictions on abortion. Zynx Apr 2016 #168

Actually, in recent discussions she has weinied out of most abortions. peace13 Apr 2016 #133

What makes you say so? I have not seen this. Squinch Apr 2016 #144

It was in an interview. peace13 Apr 2016 #154

I've never heard this from her. Or anything like this. And I can't imagine PP would be backing her Squinch Apr 2016 #159

Don't get me started on PP. peace13 Apr 2016 #415

PP is all that stood between me and disaster many times. And that is true for millions of women. Squinch Apr 2016 #416

Don't be angry. peace13 Apr 2016 #418

Of all the things that are thrown around in this election, that is the ONE that makes me feel rage. Squinch Apr 2016 #420

I'm very sorry you feel that way. peace13 Apr 2016 #422

Rest assured. I feel great malice toward those who are making it harder for PP to raise the money Squinch Apr 2016 #423

I think I found the interview you are talking about. Was it the one with Squinch Apr 2016 #394

I know she did loyalsister Apr 2016 #193

Sorry. You are wrong. Sparkly Apr 2016 #256

Who other than pro-lifers say "unborn person"? loyalsister Apr 2016 #288

Everyone is using lots of angry words, but no one is providing any links that show that Hillary Squinch Apr 2016 #278

Her own words loyalsister Apr 2016 #285

Read the whole statement. She is saying that it could never happen. Squinch Apr 2016 #289

She said it hasn't happened, but she's open to it if it does loyalsister Apr 2016 #294

She's saying there will never be a bill that fits that criteria. Squinch Apr 2016 #296

Direct quote from her mouth loyalsister Apr 2016 #298

I see the problem here. Squinch Apr 2016 #332

She enablingaccepting the narrative loyalsister Apr 2016 #347

She's trying to put in place a nationwide protection for women who Squinch Apr 2016 #348

She sold out women and children in the 90s loyalsister Apr 2016 #349

Oh, just admit that she never moved to restrict abortion rights in any way. She has been completely Squinch Apr 2016 #353

I'm talking about what she says herself that she is open to loyalsister Apr 2016 #368

Now you are being ridiculous. She is trying to expand abortion rights, and somehow that Squinch Apr 2016 #390

Since you are so certain loyalsister Apr 2016 #428

I've already shown that what she said in that interview was that she wants to extend abortion rights Squinch Apr 2016 #435

so naive. nashville_brook Apr 2016 #328

Wrong. Sparkly Apr 2016 #333

I would suggest you look at post #332. Squinch does a very good job. all american girl Apr 2016 #424

i would suggest you look at history. nashville_brook Apr 2016 #437

Hillary's history is one of absolutely consistent and strong support for women's rights, including Squinch Apr 2016 #448

this article lists a few of her anti-progressive actions: amborin Apr 2016 #5

The way you posed your question should give you all the answer you need........ Sivart Apr 2016 #8

The way that you refuse to answer the question wildeyed Apr 2016 #9

I didnt refuse to answer at all..... Sivart Apr 2016 #10

You did refuse. wildeyed Apr 2016 #194

You clearly don't understand your own words..... Sivart Apr 2016 #198

Okay -- I see "fracking, the banks, use of military force" Sparkly Apr 2016 #247

Hillary doesn't support the reinstatement of Glass-Steagall. All in it together Apr 2016 #292

Right. Because it's slightly more complex than that. Sparkly Apr 2016 #302

What specific policy do you think she spouts beedle Apr 2016 #11

Her stance on Cannabis. DookDook Apr 2016 #13

Agreed. Her stance is what lost Colorado, Alaska and Washington. shalafi Apr 2016 #28

and the states that have legalized mj have drops in the opiate deaths questionseverything Apr 2016 #60

She doesn't support the "for profit prison industry" Sparkly Apr 2016 #64

history tells us the clintons practically invented the for profit prison industry questionseverything Apr 2016 #81

If you've decided not to believe anything she says Sparkly Apr 2016 #105

i believe what i have seen and lived thru questionseverything Apr 2016 #118

I believe what I have seen and lived through, as well. Sparkly Apr 2016 #127

Yes, and also a win/win for the pharmaceutical industry that hc gets $ from. All in it together Apr 2016 #69

yes the pharms would like nothing better than to take a weed anyone can grow questionseverything Apr 2016 #86

Exactly, then they'd be all for it. All in it together Apr 2016 #297

And drop in opiates equals less Trump supporters! nt floppyboo Apr 2016 #170

I don't see that as left/right. Sparkly Apr 2016 #61

The problem is that the federal government is already involved. potone Apr 2016 #166

I'm not versed in her position on recreational marijuana. I know she is supportive of medical Squinch Apr 2016 #150

I don't think any show her as not being a democrat. I'ts a big tent. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #14

What's her stance on the Death Penalty? cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #15

She doesn't want to abolish it. nt DookDook Apr 2016 #31

Which is absolutely disgusting. A real Democrat would oppose it. Arugula Latte Apr 2016 #67

She'd like to see it struck down. Sparkly Apr 2016 #71

This from the article: cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #80

She "faced sharp questions" on those issues. Sparkly Apr 2016 #116

Well first lets define liberal WDIM Apr 2016 #20

Excellent post. Thanks. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #199

Well said! deathrind Apr 2016 #383

That's all we do here. How do you miss it? This says a lot about the bubble you're in. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #21

+1 leeroysphitz Apr 2016 #35

Honduras SHRED Apr 2016 #27

Allegedly. Sparkly Apr 2016 #59

It was a military coup and our own state department said so Chiquitita Apr 2016 #143

As with Libya, it seems you like the idea of a Revolution Sparkly Apr 2016 #228

uh, wha? Chiquitita Apr 2016 #449

Hillary said part of the coup were legal and parts weren't creeksneakers2 Apr 2016 #382

if parts aren't legal, then is the coup legal? Chiquitita Apr 2016 #450

What choice was there? creeksneakers2 Apr 2016 #469

She decided what to do as SoS, and acted Chiquitita Apr 2016 #478

I think they call this a hanging curveball kaleckim Apr 2016 #29

First sentence Sparkly Apr 2016 #68

In the present tense.... Sivart Apr 2016 #76

In her recent past, she was one of the most liberal Senators in Congress redstateblues Apr 2016 #322

God forbid we look back at anything not present tense, how about future tense? All in it together Apr 2016 #79

We could go around and around revisiting the 1990s. Sparkly Apr 2016 #101

You are all over the place logically kaleckim Apr 2016 #115

I'd like to discuss her policy proposals. Sparkly Apr 2016 #126

Man, this is freakin funny..... Sivart Apr 2016 #200

That's correct. Sparkly Apr 2016 #230

I wouldn't vote for GWB because of what happened during his presidency in addition to the JDPriestly Apr 2016 #202

GWB, and any other past presidents, are not at issue. Sparkly Apr 2016 #239

But the principle that when you hire someone, you ask for a resume and you look to see JDPriestly Apr 2016 #369

You are saying that the Clintons didn't pull the party to the right? All in it together Apr 2016 #306

That's right. Sparkly Apr 2016 #311

What nonsense kaleckim Apr 2016 #463

So kaleckim Apr 2016 #108

No, her record is clear. Sparkly Apr 2016 #113

"I'm not reading your posts past the first sentence" kaleckim Apr 2016 #121

You're not giving "objective reality" Sparkly Apr 2016 #134

So, essentially kaleckim Apr 2016 #446

I see you are ignoring the majority of content of a very substantive post. Arugula Latte Apr 2016 #183

It's really hard for a Hillary supporter to have to deal with the fact that we who support JDPriestly Apr 2016 #211

Sorry. We don't get to limit comments on DU in that way. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #201

It's my thread. Sparkly Apr 2016 #249

CTR... deathrind Apr 2016 #30

Sanders vs. Clinton on Issues Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #32

Not correct. Sparkly Apr 2016 #73

Bernie Sanders wants to federally legalize marijuana. Clinton doesn't. Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #95

His bill has zero co-sponsors. Sparkly Apr 2016 #102

Awesome, her bill has zero sponsors too. peace13 Apr 2016 #140

She's not in the Senate...so how could that be? all american girl Apr 2016 #427

But the one she wrote while she was in the Senate... peace13 Apr 2016 #429

Oh, what bill is that? Thanks all american girl Apr 2016 #430

My point exactly! peace13 Apr 2016 #431

Huh? all american girl Apr 2016 #433

If the states are to truly legalize marijuana, it needs to be taken off the controlled substance JDPriestly Apr 2016 #220

I wonder how these states are managing Sparkly Apr 2016 #250

Some of the biggest problems with pot legalization are banking and taxation. Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #304

How close is it to getting passed federally? Sparkly Apr 2016 #307

Not close at all. Just like plenty of HRC proposals aren't close at all to becoming law. Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #309

Hyde Sparkly Apr 2016 #316

The states can crack down themselves if they want to. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #371

Ah states rights = ---- got it dr60omg Apr 2016 #163

Bernie wants to take marijuana off the controlled substances list. Is she willing to do that. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #212

He can want it all he wants. Sparkly Apr 2016 #258

But until marijuana is off the list of controlled substances, the federal government can enforce JDPriestly Apr 2016 #260

When's the last time the feds stormed Colorado to crack down on pot? Sparkly Apr 2016 #266

Obama has led the feds not to, and Clinton respects his example. Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #308

It's a matter of the law. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #373

Well my state is run by the Republicans, and if you buy MJ in one state you can't take it across All in it together Apr 2016 #310

bankruptcy bill, iraq war, minimum wage, kissinger, dlc affiliation, lgbt, crimebill, healthcare... leeroysphitz Apr 2016 #33

I don't see "progressives" being vilified. Sparkly Apr 2016 #74

Hatred. Opposition is now hatred? I mean even STAUNCH opposition shouldn't be labeled leeroysphitz Apr 2016 #82

I agree with you. Staunch opposition is one thing. Sparkly Apr 2016 #94

That's politics. People don't just vote on ideas. They also vote for a person. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #217

I'm taking the "personalities" out of it Sparkly Apr 2016 #252

Actually in my case, I just really like Bernie. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #257

I know "you just like him" Sparkly Apr 2016 #261

You say you want reasonable discussion and then add "the hatred of HRC is irrational" Armstead Apr 2016 #189

Yes Sparkly Apr 2016 #253

I do Armstead Apr 2016 #361

One of the issues on which I strongly disagree with Hillary is the NSA surveillance. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #214

I'm not sure you understand NSA surveillance Sparkly Apr 2016 #254

Her view that Edward Snowden should face serious penalties for having revealed the program JDPriestly Apr 2016 #372

"I haven't been proven wrong so far." kaleckim Apr 2016 #464

The problem is that Bernie is free to make all sorts of wild ass promises of stuff The_Casual_Observer Apr 2016 #37

"that can never happen..." These people are done with status quo. So is Bernie. snowy owl Apr 2016 #43

Actually I support Bernie, fully aware that he has no chance of ever being able to fulfill any The_Casual_Observer Apr 2016 #50

So they and you are supporting someone who can't get anything done? Are you paid to post? snowy owl Apr 2016 #119

What is this paid to post shit? I've here for 13+ years for better or worse The_Casual_Observer Apr 2016 #135

It makes no sense to keep repeating "he can't do it" and then say you are a supporter. snowy owl Apr 2016 #145

Everything he proposes I'm all for and support. However turning these The_Casual_Observer Apr 2016 #151

I agree. And it will be hard and he knows it and he says it. No pie in the sky. He's been around. snowy owl Apr 2016 #157

Read his book, Outsider in the White House, and you will learn how he will accomplish JDPriestly Apr 2016 #219

I'm just looking at current positions, but Sparkly Apr 2016 #244

You probably are. He works well with other people, and the proof that he has accomplished JDPriestly Apr 2016 #370

Yet only ONE (1) of his Senate colleagues think enough of Bernie to endorse him. NurseJackie Apr 2016 #54

They endorsed early. Just like Obama SD can change. You should know that. Were you here in 2008? snowy owl Apr 2016 #137

Early endorsement meant the choice was obvious and easy. :-D NurseJackie Apr 2016 #149

Your opinion but wrong. Lists of people supporting Bernie... snowy owl Apr 2016 #158

I wouldn't know. You'll have to ask them. NurseJackie Apr 2016 #164

Yes, that's the luxury of being an "Outsider." Sparkly Apr 2016 #78

Why can't Hillary do talk about what she would like to do? JDPriestly Apr 2016 #218

Clinton pushed trade deals are waging a global war on public services Baobab Apr 2016 #286

There are many, but for me, #1 is that.... jack_krass Apr 2016 #39

"This means she has a huge debt" Sparkly Apr 2016 #84

I don't begrudge anybody from making as much money as they can, jack_krass Apr 2016 #191

That is nonsense. She provided a service as a keynote speaker and was paid for it. She also worked Lucinda Apr 2016 #197

This OP isn't listening. Responds with current talking points. Bernie was original. snowy owl Apr 2016 #40

I'm sorry if you don't like what I'm saying. Sparkly Apr 2016 #88

Why not "her IWR vote"? Or, why not her record? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #41

I heard her floor speech. Sparkly Apr 2016 #92

Fracking AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #48

Chamber of Commerce believe Clinton will be "currently" in favor of TPP after elected Arizona Roadrunner Apr 2016 #51

Bingo! Meteor Man Apr 2016 #376

What's Missing Armstead Apr 2016 #55

warmonger Vattel Apr 2016 #62

Supporting war in Libya, Iraq, Syria, and soon to be Iran. Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #77

which day? 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #83

Here's a question for you pdsimdars Apr 2016 #96

It's been up here for a day and they have no answers. What else is new? . . . . . . . pdsimdars Apr 2016 #460

I know her stance on issues. Loudestlib Apr 2016 #97

EXCELLENT: WHAT IS SHE CAMPAIGNING ON? Or is it simply Obama's Legacy? snowy owl Apr 2016 #226

Not enough fit-on-a-bumper-sticker slogans for ya? Sparkly Apr 2016 #301

Thanks for the non-answer. Typical. You asked Sanders' supporters and you got long lists. snowy owl Apr 2016 #355

Making Honduras ripe for picking. Octafish Apr 2016 #99

Why Hillary's Not a Real Democrat in the 21st Century: Zen Democrat Apr 2016 #100

the no fly zone in Syria DonCoquixote Apr 2016 #104

Here's a few.... berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #109

It isn't so much what she claims her policies will be but the fact that, based on the bills signed JDPriestly Apr 2016 #111

Why do I feel like this is a marketing focus group? northernsouthern Apr 2016 #114

Yes. That is pretty obvious, and I think the focus group leader has recognized that JDPriestly Apr 2016 #221

Uh, because it's not a "Here's another thing I hate about her" topic? Sparkly Apr 2016 #305

Oh, you are spot on, methinks. djean111 Apr 2016 #426

I give you credit for asking! And you received a lot of good input here. peace13 Apr 2016 #129

The best predictor of future behavior is … past behavior basselope Apr 2016 #141

Only the stuff she started saying since she lost in 2008 and the Draft Warren movement scared her? merrily Apr 2016 #146

She is for TPP onecaliberal Apr 2016 #147

Not true. Sparkly Apr 2016 #265

Keep your head buried. Chamber of Commerce says she will be for it again after election onecaliberal Apr 2016 #344

Okay, I have to leave this here. The "issues" are getting repetitive anyway. Sparkly Apr 2016 #148

Spoken like a true Hillary supporter. peace13 Apr 2016 #152

I'd say the PATRIOT act and issues of freedom of speech like encryption they're polar opposites. JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #155

You'll read. Bernie says differences. He's right. You don't want to hear them. snowy owl Apr 2016 #167

"the dems thanks to the DLC are now in a position where Republicans used to be" Sparkly Apr 2016 #241

Abortion. Her dumb ass statement, with video. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #162

That's about EXPANDING what now exists in law. Sparkly Apr 2016 #242

She is talking about a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT about abortion. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #245

Do you have a link or citation or any evidence for this, please? Sparkly Apr 2016 #263

Yes -- post #162 in this thread, in bold, along with the video IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #269

For EXPANDING Roe to go through 9 months Sparkly Apr 2016 #299

Did you read or view what SHE SAID? IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #319

Ida, really? Sparkly Apr 2016 #321

"Are there reasonable restrictions you would support on abortion?" YES. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #389

I think abortion is one of the stupidest issues I've underthematrix Apr 2016 #387

I agree with you. nt IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #388

Don't forget the War on (people who use) Drugs and mass incarceration! nt Romulox Apr 2016 #174

More misinformation. Sparkly Apr 2016 #267

From that steaming pile of shit you linked to: jack_krass Apr 2016 #329

Not that you're predisposed to hold any rigid opinions, but Sparkly Apr 2016 #336

Oh, so now it's just partial legalization,, riiiight jack_krass Apr 2016 #339

And trying to go the whole way will get Sparkly Apr 2016 #343

Well, im a "go the whole way" type of guy jack_krass Apr 2016 #356

She's a War Hawk. senz Apr 2016 #176

Medicare for All...Not a chance her donors would not like it bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #177

Been a very interesting thread... AuntPatsy Apr 2016 #178

The silliest thing about this whole thread...... Sivart Apr 2016 #179

Since she has multiple positions for each policy... dchill Apr 2016 #203

democracy Baobab Apr 2016 #204

There are none. n/t Lucinda Apr 2016 #206

No fly zone and regime change in Syria. morningfog Apr 2016 #210

These are just a few off the top of my head... liberalnarb Apr 2016 #216

Just thought I'd skip to the bottom... Many addressed above. Sparkly Apr 2016 #240

Why did you bother to ask FreakinDJ Apr 2016 #251

Wrong. Sparkly Apr 2016 #262

Dilusional FreakinDJ Apr 2016 #279

Fracking, Pay to play, Pandering to wealthy donors, Wars. insta8er Apr 2016 #259

Already answered. Sparkly Apr 2016 #264

I haven't seen much of you lately ... Trajan Apr 2016 #268

See ya! Sparkly Apr 2016 #293

When people say they won't vote for Hillary because she voted for the IWR, and then I ask them Squinch Apr 2016 #436

Did you vote for Kerry? Squinch Apr 2016 #340

She is pro-war and pro-Wall Street welfare egalitegirl Apr 2016 #277

And what in her policy platform convinces you of that? Sparkly Apr 2016 #295

I take her record into consideration egalitegirl Apr 2016 #337

Binary thinking. Sparkly Apr 2016 #338

It is not like loyalty to a royal family egalitegirl Apr 2016 #364

hmm... chervilant Apr 2016 #381

Over 300 replies and it's not on the home page? All in it together Apr 2016 #315

One guess. Sparkly Apr 2016 #318

Democratic Primary forum posts don't go to the home page TheDormouse Apr 2016 #442

Remember, you asked TheFarseer Apr 2016 #324

"specific number of a bill" Sparkly Apr 2016 #330

Her stated policies are more or less ok. But who believes what she states? DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #327

That's the subjective part I'm separating out. Sparkly Apr 2016 #331

Well, it didn't work out for you. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #360

Actually, that's the problem. Chan790 Apr 2016 #402

Well-stated A Little Weird Apr 2016 #432

People who don't hate her with wingerish vigor? tia uponit7771 Apr 2016 #352

Your framing is wrong, but if we accept your terms, you're referring to a small minority. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #359

Grrrr, She has the audacity! fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #345

Doesn't she realize there's a revolution on? How dare she get all those people to vote for her! Squinch Apr 2016 #354

I know! fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #362

She doesn't have any Tiggeroshii Apr 2016 #358

I'll bite Aerows Apr 2016 #367

Non sequitur, no promises were made. fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #375

No they aren't Aerows Apr 2016 #378

In the age of Al Gore's internets it's easy to vet to one's desire. fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #439

Indeed it is Aerows Apr 2016 #440

Be prepared then. fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #443

I'm prepared for the truth. Aerows Apr 2016 #444

Perhaps this will help... chervilant Apr 2016 #377

Zombie Diary Meteor Man Apr 2016 #379

Oh Sparkly MFM008 Apr 2016 #385

...War she was LIED to by of all people Colin Powell. BERNIE KNEW...he checks, she gives speeches. snowy owl Apr 2016 #473

Move the goalposts! The critics have a point! (Or 30 points, rather) Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #386

So whether she agrees with you or not, it doesn't matter. Nothing she does will be good enough. Squinch Apr 2016 #425

A lot of what she HAS DONE was not good at all. That is my position. Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #445

So you are saying that nothing she can do will make you support her, correct? Squinch Apr 2016 #447

True for me. I didn't vote Clinton in 96 and I won't vote HRC 2016. Write in Bernie. snowy owl Apr 2016 #455

So, that means that your opinions are completely irrelevant with respect to the general election. Squinch Apr 2016 #465

There is plenty she can do to win my support. But paying lipservice to something she will abandon at Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #457

So you know that most of these things aren't going to happen. Squinch Apr 2016 #466

That is just arrogance. Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #472

Not arrogance, just realism. The primary is over. Your candidate is now out of the race. Squinch Apr 2016 #475

Yes, it is arrogant to declare the race over when neither candidate has as yet secured a majority. Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #477

If you are restricting people to the information in her My Good Babushka Apr 2016 #403

Iraq War Vote - TPP - Wall Street Campaign Donations - Clinton Foundation Fraud - Nuff Said cantbeserious Apr 2016 #407

Marijuana legalization! B Calm Apr 2016 #410

Her 4nic8em Apr 2016 #413

You should do your own research A Little Weird Apr 2016 #434

you mean this week? azurnoir Apr 2016 #438

How Hillary Clinton's State Department Sold Fracking to the World B Calm Apr 2016 #441

Corp influence on Hillary.US companies sell tobacco/fracking abroad. And she cares about children? snowy owl Apr 2016 #456

The fact of the matter is we don't know how Hillary will govern. I suspect we'll find out. YOHABLO Apr 2016 #453

TPP. The Corporate State. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #458

So called Clintoncare or Hillarycare was a diversion from a contemporaneous trade deal negotiation Baobab Apr 2016 #459

This is bogus! Beowulf Apr 2016 #476

WTO-GATS agreement which started a global war on public services like healthcare and higher educatat Baobab May 2016 #480