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2016 Postmortem

In reply to the discussion: DU Poll: Third Way or FDR? [View all]

PufPuf23

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16. Hillary Clinton is a neo-liberal. Third Way is a form of neo-liberalism.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 12:04 AM
Apr 2016

Bernie Sanders and FDR / New Deal / Great Society liberal Democrats espouse Keynesian economics.

From wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

Neoliberalism (or sometimes neo-liberalism)[1] is a term which has been used since the 1950s[2], but became more prevalent in its current meaning in the 1970s and 80s by scholars in a wide variety of social sciences[3] and critics[4] primarily in reference to the resurgence of 19th century ideas associated with laissez-faire economic liberalism.[5] Its advocates support extensive economic liberalization policies such as privatization, fiscal austerity, deregulation, free trade, and reductions in government spending in order to enhance the role of the private sector in the economy.[6][7][8][9][10][11][12] Neoliberalism is famously associated with the economic policies introduced by Margaret Thatcher in the United Kingdom and Ronald Reagan in the United States.[7] The implementation of neoliberal policies and the acceptance of neoliberal economic theories in the 1970s are seen by some academics as the root of financialization, with the financial crisis of 2007–08 one of the ultimate results.[13][14][15][16][17]

The definition and usage of the term has changed over time.[6] It was originally an economic philosophy that emerged among European liberal scholars in the 1930s in an attempt to trace a so-called 'Third' or 'Middle Way' between the conflicting philosophies of classical liberalism and socialist planning.[18] The impetus for this development arose from a desire to avoid repeating the economic failures of the early 1930s, which were mostly blamed by neoliberals on the economic policy of classical liberalism. In the decades that followed, the use of the term neoliberal tended to refer to theories at variance with the more laissez-faire doctrine of classical liberalism, and promoted instead a market economy under the guidance and rules of a strong state, a model which came to be known as the social market economy.

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Opponents of neoliberalism commonly argue the following points:

Globalization can subvert nations' ability for self-determination.

The replacement of a government-owned monopoly with private companies, each supposedly trying to provide the consumer with better value service than all of its private competitors, removes the efficiency that can be gained from the economy of scale.[169]

Even if it could be shown that neoliberal capitalism increases productivity, it erodes the conditions in which production occurs long term, i.e., resources/nature, requiring expansion into new areas. It is therefore not sustainable within the world's limited geographical space.[170]

Exploitation: critics consider neo-liberal economics to promote exploitation and social injustice.

Negative economic consequences: Critics argue that neo-liberal policies produce economic inequality.[171]
Mass incarceration of the poor: some critics claim that neoliberal policies result in an expanding carceral state and the criminalization of poverty.[172][124]

Increase in corporate power: some organizations and economists believe neoliberalism, unlike liberalism, changes economic and government policies to increase the power of corporations, and a shift to benefit the upper classes.[173][174]

Anti-democratic: some scholars contend that neoliberalism undermines the basic elements of democracy.[175]
There are terrains of struggles for neoliberalism locally and socially. Urban citizens are increasingly deprived of the power to shape the basic conditions of daily life.[176]

Trade-led, unregulated economic activity and lax state regulation of pollution lead to environmental impacts or degradation.[177]
Deregulation of the labor market produces flexibilization and casualization of labor, greater informal employment, and a considerable increase in industrial accidents and occupational diseases.[178]

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DU Poll: Third Way or FDR? [View all] silvershadow Apr 2016 OP
why are the Clinton supporters not voting? hollysmom Apr 2016 #1
The Correct the Record trolls don't work the night shift? Unicorn Apr 2016 #13
Yet, you just joined on Wednesday. grossproffit Apr 2016 #18
Thanks for warning me. Unicorn Apr 2016 #19
There feelings get hurt easily. They are cocooning now in insular little spaces where they can silvershadow Apr 2016 #27
Because they want Trump to win. cui bono Apr 2016 #37
Because the poll wasn't rigged in advance. (nt) Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #39
Provide evidence of Third Way's position, please brooklynite Apr 2016 #2
Public domain. Use it to learn. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #3
Don't be fooled by this one. TM99 Apr 2016 #11
I know it. Sometimes I explain myself over and over as if I don't know so the information silvershadow Apr 2016 #14
While Clinton says she supports social justice within limits she is a strong advocate of rhett o rick Apr 2016 #4
Righteous. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #7
Brooklynite *IS* the wealthy. JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author insta8er Apr 2016 #8
Hillary Clinton is a neo-liberal. Third Way is a form of neo-liberalism. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #16
Read this: Baobab Apr 2016 #33
Good god. seekthetruth Apr 2016 #5
Some products and services are too big for the market to efficiently handle. seekthetruth Apr 2016 #6
Plus she supports the TPP, in which the Corporate State further strengthens. Good post.nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #10
Climate change is a huge opportunity to sell people water, drugs for new diseases Baobab Apr 2016 #34
They already banned a lot of bans and they have to hide that. Baobab Apr 2016 #35
See also: false dilemma Tarc Apr 2016 #9
So tell us oh wise one, TM99 Apr 2016 #12
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #15
So are you stalking me now? TM99 Apr 2016 #20
I believe, both times, you are the one that is responding to me Tarc Apr 2016 #21
But I am not bringing up shit TM99 Apr 2016 #22
Not a concern Tarc Apr 2016 #23
I certainly won't speak for Tarc, but I'll tell you my third option. Jim Lane Apr 2016 #42
This scenario won't ever occur. TM99 Apr 2016 #43
Sorry, I don't understand your response. Jim Lane Apr 2016 #44
Corporations have been legally "persons" since the 1600s Recursion Apr 2016 #24
Having run into to you from time to time, all I have to say is: Well, then, they damn sure silvershadow Apr 2016 #25
Not so,corpprate personhood is fairly recent. maybe the 19th century. Baobab Apr 2016 #31
Corporations are created by the filing of documents. They do not feel pain, cry, or laugh. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #32
I said "person", not "human" Recursion Apr 2016 #38
A corporation does not need to be called a person in order to be sued. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #41
Thank you for this poll. chervilant Apr 2016 #26
Here is the problem, the system is already fixed and has been since the 1990s Baobab Apr 2016 #28
At least part of this is THE problem alright. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #30
Great post. Thanks. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #36
K&R. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #29
Bump for day shift. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #40
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