2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Is There Anyone Here Who Still Thinks Bernie Can Win the Nomination? [View all]dr60omg
(283 posts)There are a myriad of moving parts and variables. Including but notwithstanding what will happen with the missing voters in NY (Arizona sadly will keep voters disenfranchised)
There is California and if you have been in California recently well everywhere there are Berne signs, Bernie bumper stickers and Bernie art
California has gotten very progressive
There is the cumulative effect of protesting her (the most recent was in Pennsylvania one of her many home states, I believe Pennsylvania was where she learned to shoot her gun back in her Annie Oakley days of 2008).
There are also ongoing investigations
There are also ongoing corruption scandals
And if he does not get the nomination we are not putting our tails between our legs and going home but we will not be sheepdogged into voting for Clinton.
In other words it goes in the ballot box or onto the streets ... people are fighting for their very right to be and become and she is not someone who has engendered Sanders supporters trust
I am old. I first worked for Senator McGovern when I could not yet vote in high school. I was a YD President but I also know the Democratic party moved way too far to the right for me and after Jimmy Carter lost to Ronnie Raygun I stopped voting for President because the whole system from the local level on up was corrupt and I do not support a rotten infrastructure. I never voted for a Clinton
When GWB became President I held my nose and voted for Kerry who was a heck of a lot more progressive and a much better secretary of state than HRH I worked and donated for President Obama both in 2008 and 2012 although admittedly 2008 seemed to be awash in possibility which once Arne Duncan was appointed Secretary of Ed I realized was illusory ...
Bernie Sanders is the first candidate for the general who brings me profound joy who shares so many of my own views.
BTW Clinton people ought to think about the math (seriously and not the corrupt incorrect delegate math y'all are being fed like so much pablum). Even if she is the democrats candidate for president there is a large percentage of democrats who won't vote or can't just hold their nose and vote.
There is also the largest group of voters in the US now: the Independents who she will not win (as demonstrated in primaries where Independents could vote) ...
Why would I vote for a neoconservative hawk who also happens to be a neoliberal corporate tool? That is not the Democratic party I know
I think since people are literally fighting for their lives they will be taking to the streets and no not like baby-boomer sort of days ... not when the center does not hold.