2016 Postmortem

wyldwolf

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22. "Traditional Democratic values"

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 03:28 PM

Apr 2016

which are you referring to?

Would that be the party circa 1828-1860 that favored republicanism, slavery, a weak federal government, states' rights, agrarian interests (especially Southern planters) and strict adherence to the Constitution?

Or the Democratic party of the late 1800s like the pro-business Bourbon Democrats or the 'solid south' racist Democrats?

The Agrarian Democrats of the early 1900s that put Woodrow Wilson in power?

The FDR coalition of 1932 - 1968?

The 'New Left' influenced Democrats of the late 60s and 70s?

The 'New' Democrats that has it's roots in the 60s but were most influential in 1980s - present?

The 'progressive' movement that has utterly failed to win anything?

All these groups were/are distinct. Which are the 'traditional' ones you refer to?

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If Bernie isn't a "real" Dem, why does he owe Hillary any allegiance? [View all] riderinthestorm Apr 2016 OP

He is using our Party and resource and for that point, has a responsibility to the Democratic Party seabeyond Apr 2016 #1

Using the party? HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #5

He is not a Dem nor put the time and work into the party. Further has had this to say... seabeyond Apr 2016 #10

He says that because the democratic party has morphed into the corporate conservative party Ned_Devine Apr 2016 #14

Yes there are disappointment. No, the Democratic party is not all it can be. There is always utopia seabeyond Apr 2016 #96

I apologize for what I'm going to say if... Ned_Devine Apr 2016 #122

Ya... I get this game. seabeyond Apr 2016 #123

It's not a game, just a preference of mine Ned_Devine Apr 2016 #130

Of course it is, played by a few, for a while now. seabeyond Apr 2016 #131

If you say so Ned_Devine Apr 2016 #133

That's a wonderful way to rationalize his triangulation towards the Democratic party. LanternWaste Apr 2016 #138

I like the way you wrote the same sentence twice Ned_Devine Apr 2016 #143

Pretty cool how well you can cut and paste. eom. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #94

I get that those comments means little to you. I listen. At least, I listen. seabeyond Apr 2016 #95

I listen and comprehend. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #99

You are being disingenuous. Your snark about copy/paste and nothing else was designed to tell me seabeyond Apr 2016 #105

Do you have thought or care about the women and children of Iraq or Libya or Syria or Honduras? eom PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #111

No, Puf, I just do not care about the lives of women and children. See, it is this BS that disgusts seabeyond Apr 2016 #115

Hey we are actually having a conversation!! Good. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #117

No, we are not having a good conversation. I am being reasonable, you are being absurd. seabeyond Apr 2016 #118

Well suit yourself eom PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #119

You hide your petulance behind implication well. LanternWaste Apr 2016 #139

I'll admit to a petulant frenzy with good manners. Thank you. eom PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #146

"Traditional Democratic values" wyldwolf Apr 2016 #22

Traditional liberal and progressive values... HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #25

You aren't referring to Bernie then wyldwolf Apr 2016 #35

well....Hillary is in no position.... Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #81

well... wyldwolf Apr 2016 #84

40 years of principled progressivism says so. Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #85

your post said nothing about FDR wyldwolf Apr 2016 #86

Wow.... Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #87

give a factual policy by policy comparison of FDR vs Bernie wyldwolf Apr 2016 #88

Why don't you give one policy Hillary has... Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #90

why don't you quit diverting? wyldwolf Apr 2016 #91

I'd like to see her Wall Street transcripts.. Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #92

I'd like to see you stick to our conversation and stop diverting and dodging wyldwolf Apr 2016 #98

So what's this claim about then? Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #120

you've dodged so much you've forgotten what you were discussing wyldwolf Apr 2016 #121

Why don't you Hillarysplain what you said instead? Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #124

Why don't you stick to the topic? wyldwolf Apr 2016 #125

Sander's values closely track those of FDR's 2nd Bill of Rights. eom PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #97

A plea for votes wyldwolf Apr 2016 #101

Most "ambitious plans" are doomed to fail initially. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #104

that may be true wyldwolf Apr 2016 #107

FDR had WWII and failing health by 1944. Lots on his plate. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #113

OK, he shouldn't have suggested something so far reaching with no political capital to accomplish it wyldwolf Apr 2016 #116

He's been caucusing and voting with the Dems his entire Congressional career riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #49

They did not, do not run a viable candidate so he will be elected, for his vote. It is a two way str seabeyond Apr 2016 #51

I don't understand your post riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #52

Video about how the DNC and HRC basically changed all the financing rules to funnel moneyto HRC Baobab Apr 2016 #58

What the hell!?! Major Hogwash Apr 2016 #65

Hillary told us all he's not a Democrat Lazy Daisy Apr 2016 #108

Sanders has told us many times he is not a Democrat. So? seabeyond Apr 2016 #109

He owes us more allegiance than he owes Donald Trump, who ... Tortmaster Apr 2016 #127

Who is he? Why is he here? BeyondGeography Apr 2016 #2

It sounds like he wants to be identified with the party only when it benefits him. Arkansas Granny Apr 2016 #3

Benefits like $225,000 wall st speeches,... HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #11

Fingers in the ears singing "la la la" Ned_Devine Apr 2016 #17

Nah, just quid pro quos to the gun corps and Wall Street via the CFMA uponit7771 Apr 2016 #93

Utter nonsense... Yurovsky Apr 2016 #145

He caucuses with the Dems, he voted with the Dems Matt_in_STL Apr 2016 #23

#berniesoselfish Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #78

hilarious!! oldandhappy Apr 2016 #4

Even her red campaign logo arrow points to the right! TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #7

Bernie doesn't owe her shite..n/t monmouth4 Apr 2016 #6

^^^THAT^^^ onecaliberal Apr 2016 #106

Some here believe that registering as a Democrat includes taking a solemn oath of obedience. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #8

They've confused the TOS of DU with the TOS of citizenship. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #112

Just like all those here who swear they will never vote for Hillary, Sanders does not OWE Squinch Apr 2016 #9

They want it both ways. RedCappedBandit Apr 2016 #12

To stop the GOP from taking over the country lock stock and barrel. DCBob Apr 2016 #13

And that is why we need to elect a president that has the same paymasters? insta8er Apr 2016 #15

Ridiculous comment. DCBob Apr 2016 #18

Rather to be dismissive you could actually try to do some research, those who are insta8er Apr 2016 #20

Hillary eats at the same trough as republicans... Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #82

That's why Sanders primaried her. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #16

Bernie tried and he lost. DCBob Apr 2016 #34

Millions donated and voted for him. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #36

Millions donated and voted for Hillary. DCBob Apr 2016 #39

Won the battle, lost the war. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #42

Where are the Sanders supporters in this chart? DCBob Apr 2016 #43

The 20% not included. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #44

Never happen. DCBob Apr 2016 #45

I wonder who will that be in GE. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #37

I dont wonder.. DCBob Apr 2016 #40

If she fails, it will be thru the GOP or by her own hand. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #47

So establishment plan to prevent Republican victory... HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #21

Where are the Bernie or Busters in this chart? DCBob Apr 2016 #41

Not sure how much of those polls I believe davidn3600 Apr 2016 #63

SO 60% need to kowtow to the 40%. Is that what Democracy means to you? Sheepshank Apr 2016 #135

Good luck winning with 60% Dem vote and 33% Indie vote. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #136

that response complete fails to address the question - but your snarky comeback was predicted Sheepshank Apr 2016 #140

He does not have to support her Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #19

He doesn't owe her and he owes nothing to the party apparatus. Autumn Apr 2016 #24

Because they want it both ways Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #26

DWS and the DNC only welcomed Bernie because they assumed he would be a flash in the pan, djean111 Apr 2016 #27

His committee appointments WhiteTara Apr 2016 #28

"Yeah, but ... but ... here's the thing .... but .... the thing is .... but ...... Bernie Bros." nt GoneFishin Apr 2016 #29

Not her, America. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2016 #30

He doesn't. nt NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #31

he doesn't, he just needs to wrap it up. boston bean Apr 2016 #32

Why? Turin_C3PO Apr 2016 #67

That's what we'll see, but my criticism has been much more about the way his official campaign staff moriah Apr 2016 #33

He doesn't. And I hope it stays that way. bigwillq Apr 2016 #38

I'd rather not have the mudslinging and keep the buddy buddy. moriah Apr 2016 #48

It's governance, not high school. LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #54

Ha. Have you watched any of the debates bigwillq Apr 2016 #56

+1 treestar Apr 2016 #75

They don't take it personally. treestar Apr 2016 #74

Respectfully, that's ridiculous. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #46

He's caucused and voted with the Dems his entire Congressional career riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #50

Let's agree that we disagree. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #55

Post the rule that says he has to endorse her riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #59

If Bernie hands the election to Trump, there should be hell to pay. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #68

If Trump wins, the only one to blame is Hillary (and the DNC) riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #69

Rider, please calm down. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #70

I don't castigate or stereotype. Pretty unfair to lump me in riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #71

Okay, let's let it go. nt kstewart33 Apr 2016 #72

I think he is a real dem jpmonk91 Apr 2016 #53

Me too. Welcome to DU! riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #61

This message was self-deleted by its author Baobab Apr 2016 #57

That's a paradox for the DINO, but they are very good at hypocrisy Doctor_J Apr 2016 #60

Only his word, so I guess we will all see what that is worth. nt stevenleser Apr 2016 #62

The Clintons have signalled they're going to destroy him anyway riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #64

That's pretty funny coming from you Doctor_J Apr 2016 #66

E does not owe Hillary allegiance treestar Apr 2016 #73

What's a "real" dem? Blind loyalty to a label? Loyalty, celebrity and emotion. snowy owl Apr 2016 #76

He's indebted to the democratic party. Firebrand Gary Apr 2016 #77

As I see it, the Democratic party owes him, not the other way around riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #79

Now, there's a phrase I've hated my whole life... Blue_In_AK Apr 2016 #80

The allegiance is not to Hillary, but to the Democratic party. Beacool Apr 2016 #83

Anyone who runs as a conservative is not a Democrat! Why would Bernie fall in B Calm Apr 2016 #89

Bernie Sanders is more a "real" Democrat in substance than many caree Democrats. eom PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #100

Bernie is a true Democrat unlike what the party has become over the last 2 decades! fluffyclouds Apr 2016 #102

if the clintons say bernie's not a true democrat, then they SHOULDN'T ask for his VOTERS... nt veronique25 Apr 2016 #103

Exactly. "Fall in line? Fall in your own fucking line." lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #110

he owes her nothing amborin Apr 2016 #114

He doesn't. And I'll tell you what. I no longer feel like a real Democrat. Joob Apr 2016 #126

Either Sanders is a man of his word or he isn't. He came to the DNC and wanted Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #128

Because FBI Depaysement Apr 2016 #129

we are saying that if he IS a real Dem (as he claims to be) he can easily prove it nt Sheepshank Apr 2016 #132

Bernie will define himself. He doesn't let others do it for him. He will do what is right Hiraeth Apr 2016 #134

Even were he a "real" Democrat, it would yet still be illogical to demand he do A or B or C... LanternWaste Apr 2016 #137

He's a floor wax AND a dessert topping! Orsino Apr 2016 #141

He chose to run in the Democratic primary anigbrowl Apr 2016 #142

He Doesn't. BKH70041 Apr 2016 #144

Because he ran against a Democrat for Democratic nominee Lil Missy Apr 2016 #147