2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: If Bernie isn't a "real" Dem, why does he owe Hillary any allegiance? [View all]riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Gore won actually. Maybe you've forgotten that. It's been overwhelmingly proven it wasn't Nader's fault not that that has stopped the false meme or his banishment to Siberia. ..
I too remember the old days of politics stopping at the water's edge but that's exactly what it is, an old saw. Gore travelled to Saudi Arabia and criticized then President Bush in 2006 iirc, Eric Cantor went to Israel and criticized Obama for his anti Israel position in 2010, Rand Paul went to Guatemala in 2014 criticizing Obama's child deportations etc etc etc.
As for Bernie running a con, well thanks for the belly laugh. No really. As a self proclaimed expert, I'm envisioning you as shocked, shocked! to find gambling er, extravagant promises by politicians to voters. I mean, that's NEVER happened before...lol. Its as though you really believe Hillarys proposals aren't similarly pie in the sky (or that both would have zero chance of passing anything with a Republican congress).
Here's just one example of a Hillary unicorn: every one of her social and economic proposals are met with a tax credit - ACA health care deductibles? Tax credit. Businesses that institute profit-sharing plans (cost: $20 billion over 10 years)? Tax credit. Hire disabled veterans? Help for families to defray the cost of caring for their elderly members at home (a $10 billion, 10-year item)? Tax credits.
When it comes to paying for these targeted benefits, plus her other promises such as universal preschool, who will pay? Oh, only the richest 3%.
You know that's a total unicorn. I know it. Everyone and their brother knows it. It doesn't stop the Hillary support despite the fantasy. It hasn't stopped your support (or "respect" - small chuckle).
What it is however, is exactly what politicians do - make big, impressive promises and then get real once in office. At least Bernie is honest enough to actually say the middle class will pay more taxes (in return for no health insurance premiums). I mean really, whose running a con?
Lastly as for Bernies future going forward, I'd like to say you've simply missed the many decades of the Clintons' notorious vindictiveness towards their opponents. But since you've pushed your CV out there then I know you know exactly what awaits Bernie if he doesn't win the nomination.
Your denigration of Bernies comments on the poor on MTP illustrates your privilege. I've been poor (and at one time homeless). Surviving each day consumes every last thought. That decade was lost to me politically. While I'm glad you've obviously never been poor, I know exactly what he meant.