2016 Postmortem

riderinthestorm

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71. I don't castigate or stereotype. Pretty unfair to lump me in

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 01:10 PM

Apr 2016

And "calm down"? Could you be any more condescending?

That wasn't the tone I took from this (what I thought was a fairly respectful) discussion.

Some last points:

On Nader being falsely accused of throwing the election:

Here's a good overview. ..

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/6/1260721/-The-Nader-Myth

Here's an analysis with more links to source data...

http://disinfo.com/2010/11/debunked-the-myth-that-ralph-nader-cost-al-gore-the-2000-election/

I find your conclusion that Hillary's unicorns are so much more believable than Bernie’s to be unjustified. I laid out exactly how her tax credit proposals are flawed. I've pointed out that Hillary will face the exact same Congress.

You have conveniently ignored those points and simply reiterated your views that Bernie’s unicorns are a con.

Well then it's impossible not to make the comparison that Hillary's proposals are cons as well....

Or we agree that these kinds of proposals are what candidates do and go forward from that point.

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If Bernie isn't a "real" Dem, why does he owe Hillary any allegiance? [View all] riderinthestorm Apr 2016 OP

He is using our Party and resource and for that point, has a responsibility to the Democratic Party seabeyond Apr 2016 #1

Using the party? HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #5

He is not a Dem nor put the time and work into the party. Further has had this to say... seabeyond Apr 2016 #10

He says that because the democratic party has morphed into the corporate conservative party Ned_Devine Apr 2016 #14

Yes there are disappointment. No, the Democratic party is not all it can be. There is always utopia seabeyond Apr 2016 #96

I apologize for what I'm going to say if... Ned_Devine Apr 2016 #122

Ya... I get this game. seabeyond Apr 2016 #123

It's not a game, just a preference of mine Ned_Devine Apr 2016 #130

Of course it is, played by a few, for a while now. seabeyond Apr 2016 #131

If you say so Ned_Devine Apr 2016 #133

That's a wonderful way to rationalize his triangulation towards the Democratic party. LanternWaste Apr 2016 #138

I like the way you wrote the same sentence twice Ned_Devine Apr 2016 #143

Pretty cool how well you can cut and paste. eom. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #94

I get that those comments means little to you. I listen. At least, I listen. seabeyond Apr 2016 #95

I listen and comprehend. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #99

You are being disingenuous. Your snark about copy/paste and nothing else was designed to tell me seabeyond Apr 2016 #105

Do you have thought or care about the women and children of Iraq or Libya or Syria or Honduras? eom PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #111

No, Puf, I just do not care about the lives of women and children. See, it is this BS that disgusts seabeyond Apr 2016 #115

Hey we are actually having a conversation!! Good. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #117

No, we are not having a good conversation. I am being reasonable, you are being absurd. seabeyond Apr 2016 #118

Well suit yourself eom PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #119

You hide your petulance behind implication well. LanternWaste Apr 2016 #139

I'll admit to a petulant frenzy with good manners. Thank you. eom PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #146

"Traditional Democratic values" wyldwolf Apr 2016 #22

Traditional liberal and progressive values... HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #25

You aren't referring to Bernie then wyldwolf Apr 2016 #35

well....Hillary is in no position.... Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #81

well... wyldwolf Apr 2016 #84

40 years of principled progressivism says so. Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #85

your post said nothing about FDR wyldwolf Apr 2016 #86

Wow.... Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #87

give a factual policy by policy comparison of FDR vs Bernie wyldwolf Apr 2016 #88

Why don't you give one policy Hillary has... Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #90

why don't you quit diverting? wyldwolf Apr 2016 #91

I'd like to see her Wall Street transcripts.. Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #92

I'd like to see you stick to our conversation and stop diverting and dodging wyldwolf Apr 2016 #98

So what's this claim about then? Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #120

you've dodged so much you've forgotten what you were discussing wyldwolf Apr 2016 #121

Why don't you Hillarysplain what you said instead? Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #124

Why don't you stick to the topic? wyldwolf Apr 2016 #125

Sander's values closely track those of FDR's 2nd Bill of Rights. eom PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #97

A plea for votes wyldwolf Apr 2016 #101

Most "ambitious plans" are doomed to fail initially. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #104

that may be true wyldwolf Apr 2016 #107

FDR had WWII and failing health by 1944. Lots on his plate. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #113

OK, he shouldn't have suggested something so far reaching with no political capital to accomplish it wyldwolf Apr 2016 #116

He's been caucusing and voting with the Dems his entire Congressional career riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #49

They did not, do not run a viable candidate so he will be elected, for his vote. It is a two way str seabeyond Apr 2016 #51

I don't understand your post riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #52

Video about how the DNC and HRC basically changed all the financing rules to funnel moneyto HRC Baobab Apr 2016 #58

What the hell!?! Major Hogwash Apr 2016 #65

Hillary told us all he's not a Democrat Lazy Daisy Apr 2016 #108

Sanders has told us many times he is not a Democrat. So? seabeyond Apr 2016 #109

He owes us more allegiance than he owes Donald Trump, who ... Tortmaster Apr 2016 #127

Who is he? Why is he here? BeyondGeography Apr 2016 #2

It sounds like he wants to be identified with the party only when it benefits him. Arkansas Granny Apr 2016 #3

Benefits like $225,000 wall st speeches,... HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #11

Fingers in the ears singing "la la la" Ned_Devine Apr 2016 #17

Nah, just quid pro quos to the gun corps and Wall Street via the CFMA uponit7771 Apr 2016 #93

Utter nonsense... Yurovsky Apr 2016 #145

He caucuses with the Dems, he voted with the Dems Matt_in_STL Apr 2016 #23

#berniesoselfish Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #78

hilarious!! oldandhappy Apr 2016 #4

Even her red campaign logo arrow points to the right! TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #7

Bernie doesn't owe her shite..n/t monmouth4 Apr 2016 #6

^^^THAT^^^ onecaliberal Apr 2016 #106

Some here believe that registering as a Democrat includes taking a solemn oath of obedience. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #8

They've confused the TOS of DU with the TOS of citizenship. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #112

Just like all those here who swear they will never vote for Hillary, Sanders does not OWE Squinch Apr 2016 #9

They want it both ways. RedCappedBandit Apr 2016 #12

To stop the GOP from taking over the country lock stock and barrel. DCBob Apr 2016 #13

And that is why we need to elect a president that has the same paymasters? insta8er Apr 2016 #15

Ridiculous comment. DCBob Apr 2016 #18

Rather to be dismissive you could actually try to do some research, those who are insta8er Apr 2016 #20

Hillary eats at the same trough as republicans... Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #82

That's why Sanders primaried her. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #16

Bernie tried and he lost. DCBob Apr 2016 #34

Millions donated and voted for him. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #36

Millions donated and voted for Hillary. DCBob Apr 2016 #39

Won the battle, lost the war. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #42

Where are the Sanders supporters in this chart? DCBob Apr 2016 #43

The 20% not included. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #44

Never happen. DCBob Apr 2016 #45

I wonder who will that be in GE. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #37

I dont wonder.. DCBob Apr 2016 #40

If she fails, it will be thru the GOP or by her own hand. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #47

So establishment plan to prevent Republican victory... HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #21

Where are the Bernie or Busters in this chart? DCBob Apr 2016 #41

Not sure how much of those polls I believe davidn3600 Apr 2016 #63

SO 60% need to kowtow to the 40%. Is that what Democracy means to you? Sheepshank Apr 2016 #135

Good luck winning with 60% Dem vote and 33% Indie vote. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #136

that response complete fails to address the question - but your snarky comeback was predicted Sheepshank Apr 2016 #140

He does not have to support her Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #19

He doesn't owe her and he owes nothing to the party apparatus. Autumn Apr 2016 #24

Because they want it both ways Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #26

DWS and the DNC only welcomed Bernie because they assumed he would be a flash in the pan, djean111 Apr 2016 #27

His committee appointments WhiteTara Apr 2016 #28

"Yeah, but ... but ... here's the thing .... but .... the thing is .... but ...... Bernie Bros." nt GoneFishin Apr 2016 #29

Not her, America. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2016 #30

He doesn't. nt NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #31

he doesn't, he just needs to wrap it up. boston bean Apr 2016 #32

Why? Turin_C3PO Apr 2016 #67

That's what we'll see, but my criticism has been much more about the way his official campaign staff moriah Apr 2016 #33

He doesn't. And I hope it stays that way. bigwillq Apr 2016 #38

I'd rather not have the mudslinging and keep the buddy buddy. moriah Apr 2016 #48

It's governance, not high school. LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #54

Ha. Have you watched any of the debates bigwillq Apr 2016 #56

+1 treestar Apr 2016 #75

They don't take it personally. treestar Apr 2016 #74

Respectfully, that's ridiculous. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #46

He's caucused and voted with the Dems his entire Congressional career riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #50

Let's agree that we disagree. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #55

Post the rule that says he has to endorse her riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #59

If Bernie hands the election to Trump, there should be hell to pay. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #68

If Trump wins, the only one to blame is Hillary (and the DNC) riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #69

Rider, please calm down. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #70

I don't castigate or stereotype. Pretty unfair to lump me in riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #71

Okay, let's let it go. nt kstewart33 Apr 2016 #72

I think he is a real dem jpmonk91 Apr 2016 #53

Me too. Welcome to DU! riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #61

This message was self-deleted by its author Baobab Apr 2016 #57

That's a paradox for the DINO, but they are very good at hypocrisy Doctor_J Apr 2016 #60

Only his word, so I guess we will all see what that is worth. nt stevenleser Apr 2016 #62

The Clintons have signalled they're going to destroy him anyway riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #64

That's pretty funny coming from you Doctor_J Apr 2016 #66

E does not owe Hillary allegiance treestar Apr 2016 #73

What's a "real" dem? Blind loyalty to a label? Loyalty, celebrity and emotion. snowy owl Apr 2016 #76

He's indebted to the democratic party. Firebrand Gary Apr 2016 #77

As I see it, the Democratic party owes him, not the other way around riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #79

Now, there's a phrase I've hated my whole life... Blue_In_AK Apr 2016 #80

The allegiance is not to Hillary, but to the Democratic party. Beacool Apr 2016 #83

Anyone who runs as a conservative is not a Democrat! Why would Bernie fall in B Calm Apr 2016 #89

Bernie Sanders is more a "real" Democrat in substance than many caree Democrats. eom PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #100

Bernie is a true Democrat unlike what the party has become over the last 2 decades! fluffyclouds Apr 2016 #102

if the clintons say bernie's not a true democrat, then they SHOULDN'T ask for his VOTERS... nt veronique25 Apr 2016 #103

Exactly. "Fall in line? Fall in your own fucking line." lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #110

he owes her nothing amborin Apr 2016 #114

He doesn't. And I'll tell you what. I no longer feel like a real Democrat. Joob Apr 2016 #126

Either Sanders is a man of his word or he isn't. He came to the DNC and wanted Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #128

Because FBI Depaysement Apr 2016 #129

we are saying that if he IS a real Dem (as he claims to be) he can easily prove it nt Sheepshank Apr 2016 #132

Bernie will define himself. He doesn't let others do it for him. He will do what is right Hiraeth Apr 2016 #134

Even were he a "real" Democrat, it would yet still be illogical to demand he do A or B or C... LanternWaste Apr 2016 #137

He's a floor wax AND a dessert topping! Orsino Apr 2016 #141

He chose to run in the Democratic primary anigbrowl Apr 2016 #142

He Doesn't. BKH70041 Apr 2016 #144

Because he ran against a Democrat for Democratic nominee Lil Missy Apr 2016 #147