2016 Postmortem

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I do not like the thought that so many good people are considering leaving the Democratic Party. [View all] PufPuf23 Apr 2016 OP

It's why there are so many independents and unaffiliateds out there. winter is coming Apr 2016 #1

+1 Unicorn Apr 2016 #127

+ another Scuba Apr 2016 #136

+11 LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #198

That sums it up nicely. dgauss Apr 2016 #211

Yes!! Thirties Child Apr 2016 #216

Even if her agenda items are the same as Sanders? Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #2

They aren't for the most part Armstead Apr 2016 #5

They are not the same even when the rhetoric is the same. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #20

They are not the same... Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #52

Or like her position on Social Security, she said to start FICA on again on $250,000, at first Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #61

Yep. She's exactly like Bernie. Mostly her honesty! Phlem Apr 2016 #176

Only temporarily Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #76

Yep. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #109

I prefer the original. Thanks, anyway. I trust originals. Reproductions - the veneer fades. snowy owl Apr 2016 #88

LOL Odin2005 Apr 2016 #117

They aren't the same. That's the point. cui bono Apr 2016 #122

however her history is the opposite. Unicorn Apr 2016 #128

What specifically are you talking? Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #138

Chip was Edward Kennedy and Orin Hatch's bill. They fought it through and Hillary kept taking credit Unicorn Apr 2016 #167

This was after she made the health care to c ongress, yes Ted Kennedy pushed it Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #169

The article says the opposite. Unicorn Apr 2016 #187

Hillary made her health care presentation in 1993, the article listed Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #204

Wow, I just learned something amazing while googling Clinton. Unicorn Apr 2016 #168

Your results came back about Hillary like my Google results did for Sanders except less. Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #170

Please post what you have for sanders against welfare Unicorn Apr 2016 #171

Crickets! Phlem Apr 2016 #178

I'm not over looking that this person may be being paid to post by the Clinton campaign. The wild Unicorn Apr 2016 #193

If you've ever read thinkingabout's posts, it is hard to imagine anyone LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #201

I see. I put that person on ignore since she has 100% chance of being on juries Unicorn Apr 2016 #203

Let me play the devil's advocate for just a few seconds. Just look at the immenslty of the job: Cal33 Apr 2016 #222

Welcome aboard and safe journey's! Phlem Apr 2016 #215

Thank you. Unicorn Apr 2016 #230

Thank you! I will. Unicorn Apr 2016 #245

Paid troll, huh, send me my check. Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #229

You don't make enough sense to get paid Chief. Phlem Apr 2016 #247

ROFL harun Apr 2016 #147

Denial of facts, huh. Now Sanders is moved to Hillary's position are you going to say Sanders does Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #148

I believe post 171 asked you a question you haven't responded to. Phlem Apr 2016 #183

You seem to have a general problem with facts. 2banon Apr 2016 #238

To a large degree, her agenda items are better described as rhetorical devices. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #179

And that's putting it politely. 2banon Apr 2016 #239

Her agenda's stated positions are cancelled out by decades of the Clintons selling us truedelphi Apr 2016 #228

Like twenty five years of getting zilch done, tack the name Sanders and the king of no Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #237

He held a seat wherein he didn't swindle the taxpayers with truedelphi Apr 2016 #240

He made sure Lockheed Martin got over a Trillion dollars on F-35 program Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #241

At the beginning of the campaign they were miles apart on every issue. Since then rhett o rick Apr 2016 #234

My party left me randr Apr 2016 #3

This. Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #27

Feels that way. Seems taking the Democratic Party back would PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #33

Yes it did. 840high Apr 2016 #69

Indeed so Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #80

By almost any measure, that's untue. Adrahil Apr 2016 #139

you are lost. Phlem Apr 2016 #186

Yup. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #177

Same here, so I officially left them and registered Unaffiliated. I feel much better. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #185

And by "so many good people" you mean a handful of anonymous bloggers... brooklynite Apr 2016 #4

No but a significant number may well just tune out and stay home.... Armstead Apr 2016 #6

Saying that people should or will vote for the GOP Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #8

No, saying people will vote for the GOP is not against the rules. JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #9

No way would I vote GOP nor would I recommend so. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #34

I didn't say they should...but they very well might Armstead Apr 2016 #10

LULZ TransitJohn Apr 2016 #14

postulating and exhorting are quite different OwlinAZ Apr 2016 #118

Only an idiot Andy823 Apr 2016 #16

it's a site where Democrats are supposed to be supported, not republicans passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #41

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #131

I would add that only an idiot would vote for Republican economic and foreign policies LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #205

Democratic party membership has fallen 7-8% since 2008 depending on which survey is used riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #21

a picture is worth a thousand words pokerfan Apr 2016 #121

Let me state it plainly for you. Aerows Apr 2016 #22

She's going to lose, but so many people have blinders on. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #190

I mean good Americans and good Democrats not bloggers. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #32

Yes the Democratic party is at 28-29% of the electorate - historic lows nt riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #46

The poster also knows better but posts inaccurate anyways. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #56

I know. The disinformation campaign by Hillary supporters never disappoints riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #59

So the independents (me for instance) who've already left, mean nothing? snowy owl Apr 2016 #95

Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #7

I blame Clinton and every other spineless TM99 Apr 2016 #17

War is the lifeblood they drink in the night... Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #57

hillary Old Codger Apr 2016 #23

In a democracy, we are all free to vote however we want. closeupready Apr 2016 #11

Thank you. Peace be with you too. eom PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #38

Thank you. Well done. oldandhappy Apr 2016 #12

Thank you. Think of staying as a burr under the saddle. eom PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #40

excellent reason! oldandhappy Apr 2016 #114

Mine will change too danimich1 Apr 2016 #68

with you 100%, smile oldandhappy Apr 2016 #115

It's sad, but as he saying goes, "*hit happens" TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #13

I'm not changing my registration unless Bernie drops out. vintx Apr 2016 #15

Me too. Exactly. djean111 Apr 2016 #19

What has occurred in POTUS 2016 makes me frustrated and angry. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #42

sad fact is DonCoquixote Apr 2016 #123

Nixon supported the centerpieces of progressive environmental legislation (NEPA, EPA, CWA, OSHA) PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #125

Nixon was under a lot of pressure to take action Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #233

whereas modern politics DonCoquixote Apr 2016 #249

FISA was my first heartbreak. Jackilope Apr 2016 #44

The day they voted to extend Patriot act I tossed the letter calling for a donation in recycling ReasonableToo Apr 2016 #90

Yes, Bernie has a list of 190 down ticket candidates we contribute to directly riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #94

Thanks. Had not seen that. My district not listed but I voted as progressive as I could ReasonableToo Apr 2016 #106

Mine are environmental issues and whose pledged to prioritize them riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #107

Thank you. I had missed that list of down ticket candidates. eom PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #129

Many of us are with you. 840high Apr 2016 #71

If people don't like it Andy823 Apr 2016 #18

No, it's to indicate how bad a candidate Clinton is... TheProgressive Apr 2016 #26

I have no idea who they think Aerows Apr 2016 #36

I don't buy that Andy823 Apr 2016 #77

Yes, almost everyone here could be a troll... TheProgressive Apr 2016 #85

Wow we think we are more Democrats than our party is these days dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #150

Instructing us to pick the shit sandwich because the double shit sandwich is worse LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #208

"We'll go it alone" Aerows Apr 2016 #29

The primary is still underway whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #31

^^This^^ jonestonesusa Apr 2016 #251

The Democratic establishment and DNC failed far too many Party members. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #43

People explain it over and over again...you don't get it because you are listening. Punkingal Apr 2016 #55

Really? Still can't figure it out? Jrapin Apr 2016 #65

It is almost like YOU want Republicans in the WH alan2102 Apr 2016 #83

Nearly half the party supports Bernie. TDale313 Apr 2016 #197

That is Over Half, not nearly half, that supports Bernie. -none Apr 2016 #236

I know. But the "nearly half" is absolutely indisputable. TDale313 Apr 2016 #250

OK, that makes sense -none Apr 2016 #258

I was staunchly with Obama, but what we got now...IMO Stinks to high heaven. I will not be part of insta8er Apr 2016 #24

I agree with some you put forth and disagree with other things The Second Stone Apr 2016 #25

Bernie Sanders has made a contribution, win or lose. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #47

Sanders doesn't engage the youth, he panders The Second Stone Apr 2016 #63

Back 4 or 5 months ago, I stated at DU that I thought Ryan would be GOP POTUS nominee. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #64

Yeah, I actually comprehend that you think someone who will quietly take abuse The Second Stone Apr 2016 #98

Not really Old Codger Apr 2016 #28

This Citizen Voted For A Clinton Twice - Never Again cantbeserious Apr 2016 #30

Yup - Two and through. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #37

Me two too. eom PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #48

I understand your position, but do not think an OP will change anyone's mind. merrily Apr 2016 #35

I come to DU near every day and thought might as well say me piece. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #50

ABSOLUTELY say your piece. You said it very well, too. merrily Apr 2016 #53

I understand you pain. I may be wrong. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #58

I agree. There are too few levers of power in the Party that are accessible to change agents. Maedhros Apr 2016 #194

Appointing Warren liasion to the left spoke volumes in a number of ways. merrily Apr 2016 #196

I am sending your 840high Apr 2016 #75

Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #39

Your dilemma TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #45

No idea why that post was hidden but I feel the same way. nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #146

So do I. haikugal Apr 2016 #210

Great post rufus dog Apr 2016 #49

Thank you but reconsider. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #54

I almost left in 2007 rufus dog Apr 2016 #67

I about lost political hope during Reagan and have been adrift since the stolen PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #72

Hey! I hear that yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #143

The Democratic party took a RIGHT turn in the 80's Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #51

The Democratic Party did not leave you, it was stolen. eom PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #62

True Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #200

thoughtful and interesting, thanks. nt grasswire Apr 2016 #60

Thank you for this. LWolf Apr 2016 #66

I think we agree about the neo-liberals and also see the opportunity PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #70

Your experience is radically different from those of us who are younger. jeff47 Apr 2016 #73

If Hillary Clinton is nominated for POTUS 2016, PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #78

I don't. jeff47 Apr 2016 #81

I'm with you jeff47...you're the same age as my son and I think all of us working together haikugal Apr 2016 #232

This seems to have some markings of major political realignment metamorphosis Apr 2016 #74

Thank you for filling in so much detail. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #84

Well spoken Trajan Apr 2016 #93

Who said they were good? Who said they were part of the Democratic Party? baldguy Apr 2016 #79

There are good and well-meaning people left in the world. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #86

The "VRWC" is the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy baldguy Apr 2016 #89

Thanks. Much of the contemporary criticism of Hillary Clinton comes from PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #119

If you say Clinton is a war-mongering corporate whore who can't be trusted baldguy Apr 2016 #137

My thoughts are my own. I supported the Clintons and mocked the VRWC in the 1990s. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #149

Apparently, your thoughts are not your own, considering the words that you use. baldguy Apr 2016 #155

Do you have anything better than a meaningless insult? PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #156

You are taking to s true believer nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #175

I get that. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #191

There is a subset of Hillary supporters, probably the majority of them... TCJ70 Apr 2016 #161

Thanks for the insight. One is whacky to claim the OP was written by the "VRWC" PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #166

The alarm was sounded eons ago, and the reasons why have been posted. All we have to do is silvershadow Apr 2016 #82

I share you thoughts but looking at what may be inevitable too alas. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #87

I feel much the same way Marrah_G Apr 2016 #91

Let us share a hug then. eom PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #92

I always have hugs for DUers Marrah_G Apr 2016 #96

Nice eom PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #102

Independents need to register Democrat to vote in many primaries. w4rma Apr 2016 #97

Exactly. We need more Democrats that do not support the neo-liberals within the Party. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #104

If only we knew what Hillary really thought nichomachus Apr 2016 #99

Those of us that can see are past the transcripts anyway. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #105

Yeah, sure. Beacool Apr 2016 #100

I never said Hillary Clinton was ahead because she was running a dishonest Machiavellian campaign PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #108

And Sanders has virtually no support from the party. He's never been a team player and it shows. randome Apr 2016 #157

Sanders has causcused and voted with Democrats during his time in Congress. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #160

I would submit to you, that the party left us long ago. onecaliberal Apr 2016 #101

I don't go back as far as you but feel exactly the same ReasonableToo Apr 2016 #103

Very good point about the loss of objective media. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #110

I really appreciate the earnest feelings of those who wish to leave the party MelungeonWoman Apr 2016 #111

We agree. Beg "them" to reconsider. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #112

I live in an open primary state BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #141

Outstanding post. Thank you! Kittycat Apr 2016 #113

I'm not leaving, the party left me. Odin2005 Apr 2016 #116

I will go to my grave... ReRe Apr 2016 #142

Thank you, that was a quick, frank and well stated trip through history ... slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #120

You are way more moderate than I am. Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #124

Sometimes it is hard to separate DU from the real world. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #126

K & R n/t w0nderer Apr 2016 #130

We went through this crap in '08 firebrand80 Apr 2016 #132

I've grown bored with the "my way or the highway" crowd. grossproffit Apr 2016 #133

They think all these Bernie votes are diehards firebrand80 Apr 2016 #135

The enthusiasm of Sanders supporters will be a memory too, but differences on issues will remain. jonestonesusa Apr 2016 #255

I do not like the thought that so many good people are considering leaving the Democratic Party jmousso75 Apr 2016 #134

I am suggesting that folks like us stay the course and try to take back leadership of the Democratic PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #151

Yesterday I had two Hillary supporters suggest I leave the party, B Calm Apr 2016 #140

The neo-liberals want the liberals to give up and leave the Democratic Party. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #153

Truer words.. disillusioned73 Apr 2016 #144

True words as well "privatize the profits & socialize the losses" PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #152

I do not believe so many good people will leave the Democratic party. Jitter65 Apr 2016 #145

IMO POTUS Obama once elected did not use the ground swell of popular support PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #162

Thanks for a well written op. I've posted FDR's Second Bill of Rights below. EndElectoral Apr 2016 #154

Thank you for the FDRs 2nd Bill of Rights. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #163

Third Way will slink back into the GOP; the Dem Party shall be reborn yourpaljoey Apr 2016 #158

Your finger to God's ears. Thank you. eom PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #164

Unfortunately, the arrogance and ego are rubbing off on Clintons supporters. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #159

Agree. I think that there is a desire for the liberal Democrats to leave the Party PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #165

I already did nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #172

We disagree. I think the neo-liberals want liberals to leave the Democratic Party PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #173

Well I talk to the kids in the field nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #174

That sort of fills me with dread (as does too much and in unexpected ways than my youth) PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #180

That reflects what we are seeing nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #189

What I see in the young is very much because of where I live. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #199

We all are. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #202

Even some of us not-so-good people are considering it tularetom Apr 2016 #181

Its hard to see the benefit over the short term. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #206

Go Bears! When were you there? tularetom Apr 2016 #217

At Cal 73-75 then 77-79 undergrad, BS Forest Science, minor soil science PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #225

Yeah, I did two tours also tularetom Apr 2016 #231

I left, I switched to Unaffiliated and feel much better for it. I just can't appear to support RKP5637 Apr 2016 #182

The Democratic Party ressembles the GOP of my youth. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #207

Exactly!!! Same here!!! The D party has been on an ever rightward march and now they have RKP5637 Apr 2016 #218

"If" tonyt53 Apr 2016 #184

You must not have read my OP to end or very well. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #213

you and I are the same age.... mike_c Apr 2016 #188

The OP was directed at those that are saying they are leaving the Democratic Party PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #220

This year marks 40 years that I've been kiva Apr 2016 #192

This is the first year I voted ever and I agree already Joob Apr 2016 #195

The party left us, and the head poohbahs seem to not want progressives in their midst anymore. Arugula Latte Apr 2016 #209

The head Democratic Party poohbahs / neo-liberals want PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #223

So what makes you different from Jim Demint, who also announced he'd oppose all Obama's proposals? pnwmom Apr 2016 #212

"So what makes you different from Jim Demint, who also announced he'd oppose all Obama's proposals?" Phlem Apr 2016 #219

Failing to support an increase to a $12 minimum wage won't magically bring about a $15 minimum. pnwmom Apr 2016 #224

Oh so we're all about incremental changes huh. The Frog March? Phlem Apr 2016 #242

The dumb idea is to keep $7 because $12 is less than $15. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #243

I'm sorry I'm good at math and critical thinking. Phlem Apr 2016 #244

You might be good at addition, but your reading sucks. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #248

oooooo good one, I see what you did there but Phlem Apr 2016 #253

No, it doesn't. Critical thinking is a separate ability from reading, pnwmom Apr 2016 #254

And me giving a rats ass to whatever you have to say will still Phlem Apr 2016 #256

Critical thinking is rarely associated with the use of profanity. pnwmom Apr 2016 #257

Yes, but dealing with willfully ignorant people Phlem Apr 2016 #259

So what makes you different from Jim Demint, who also announced he'd oppose all Obama's proposals? Phlem Apr 2016 #221

Thank you Phlem. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #227

No worries PufPuf23 Phlem Apr 2016 #246

Not as special as you. eom PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #226

DLCers will take the rest of us for granted or try to browbeat us into voting for Hillary yurbud Apr 2016 #214

+1 Karma13612 Apr 2016 #235

I'm seriously considering it, Blue_In_AK Apr 2016 #252

Excellent post Time for change Apr 2016 #260