2016 Postmortem

oberliner

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65. Maybe because Bernie supporters railed against closed primaries

Reply to B Calm (Reply #63)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:56 AM

Apr 2016

So Clinton supporters felt they had to defend them.

Personally, I understand both arguments.

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AL, AR, GA, IL, MS, MO, SC, TN, VA, TX all had open primaries [View all] oberliner Apr 2016 OP

K&R. Great point. Thanks for posting! lunamagica Apr 2016 #1

Yep, Rude Pundit had something to say about this - see my thread within Dem2 Apr 2016 #2

The difference is that the ones Clinton won were in states with sizable PoC populations Tarc Apr 2016 #3

They're still rationalizing his dismissing PoC and cut and run when you ask them what's the differen uponit7771 Apr 2016 #31

Alaska didn't have an open caucus, Blue_In_AK Apr 2016 #4

If they could change their registaration on the spot Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #9

I agree with that, Blue_In_AK Apr 2016 #35

Oops - meant AR oberliner Apr 2016 #10

You're welcome. Blue_In_AK Apr 2016 #36

NC has a semi open primary dsc Apr 2016 #5

Weaver and Devine continue to muddy the waters on this. oasis Apr 2016 #6

In Kansas you could change parties at the caucus and vote within minutes Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #7

Right - Kansas has same day registration oberliner Apr 2016 #19

Yes Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #21

Ohio also has an open primary Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #8

Not an exhaustive list oberliner Apr 2016 #18

Good point. Especially since Ohio is one of the most key of swing states in the GE. Amimnoch Apr 2016 #69

More people can vote, Hillary wins. :) n/t Lucinda Apr 2016 #11

Every Democrat I knew here in Texas voted for Bernie. Every Republican crossed lines ScreamingMeemie Apr 2016 #12

That's a strong argument for closed primaries oberliner Apr 2016 #17

At this point? I dont give a crap. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2016 #20

I actually think that is a good idea oberliner Apr 2016 #22

One-day-all-states makes a Sanders-like candidacy impossible Recursion Apr 2016 #41

Even in the internet-social media age? oberliner Apr 2016 #42

It's not about ads but about shoes on the ground in 50 states Recursion Apr 2016 #43

Good point oberliner Apr 2016 #60

If there were to be a national primary, I'd suggest a series of them. Garrett78 Apr 2016 #45

I like the rotating tranches of states idea Recursion Apr 2016 #52

Bernie won AK, tied in MO (49.6 vs 49.4) jillan Apr 2016 #13

I changed AK to AR oberliner Apr 2016 #16

How come MN and WI are not included in your list? sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #14

Because Bernie won those oberliner Apr 2016 #15

Exactly. So the states where you could openly see who voted for whom were won by Sanders. cui bono Apr 2016 #23

That's certainly one way of looking at it oberliner Apr 2016 #24

O yes, it should be anonymous, but sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #25

So you would replace caucuses with primaries? oberliner Apr 2016 #26

I would suggest a hybrid Kalidurga Apr 2016 #29

Interesting oberliner Apr 2016 #30

Mail in ballots are a good idea. Perhaps make all of them mail in. Kalidurga Apr 2016 #33

We had that in Texas. okasha Apr 2016 #44

I think voting should not be electronic in its entirety. Especially when controlled by corporations cui bono Apr 2016 #38

Agreed oberliner Apr 2016 #39

I'm fine with getting rid of caucuses. They seem like a mess and too many people don't/can't cui bono Apr 2016 #40

Sounds good oberliner Apr 2016 #61

You're right, it's not that Sanders has a horrible message to base its voting machines :rolleyes: uponit7771 Apr 2016 #32

Sanders does not do well in states that are not really white Gothmog Apr 2016 #27

but, but, but HAWAII!!!!!!!!! KingFlorez Apr 2016 #28

That truly is the biggest takeaway from this primary season. Garrett78 Apr 2016 #46

k and r. nt cwydro Apr 2016 #34

Thanks oberliner Apr 2016 #62

Ssshhhhhhhhhhhh ... this belies their narrative. K & R nt Persondem Apr 2016 #37

And if registered Democrats vote in lockstep in November we can only confidently claim silvershadow Apr 2016 #47

Obama lost the Independent vote in nearly every swing state in 2012. Garrett78 Apr 2016 #48

Listen, I promise I'm not being snarky. I am just sure though that the Clinton side silvershadow Apr 2016 #49

Your rant didn't address my point. And I'm certainly not enthusiastic about Clinton. Garrett78 Apr 2016 #50

That "rant" you referred to is my political position, which hasn't changed in 50 years. silvershadow Apr 2016 #51

You made a point. I countered that point. Nothing since has been relevant to that point. Garrett78 Apr 2016 #53

That's ok. It gave me yet another chance to present a clear and cogent argument. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #54

Those were open primaries oberliner Apr 2016 #59

Missouri - two tenths of one percent? Statistically a tie. snowy owl Apr 2016 #55

The others were bigger wins oberliner Apr 2016 #58

6 of those are solid red. jg10003 Apr 2016 #56

3 of those Sanders caucus wins are in solid red states as well oberliner Apr 2016 #57

So why does Open Primaries get Hillary supporters panties in a wad? B Calm Apr 2016 #63

Maybe because Bernie supporters railed against closed primaries oberliner Apr 2016 #65

They did, when did that happen? B Calm Apr 2016 #67

Seemed like there were posts here saying closed primaries were unfair oberliner Apr 2016 #68

Results by Type of Primary/Caucus Liberalator Apr 2016 #64

What is striking is the caucus/primary split oberliner Apr 2016 #66