2016 Postmortem

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13. The facts don't quite back that up.

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:08 PM

Apr 2016

In 2008 Denise Kucinich ran and his candidacy went nowhere.

In 2012 Bernie Sanders could have challenged the President but he didn't. Instead he ran around the country looking for someone from the left to challenge him. There were no takers because, like Sanders, they knew Obama was to strong.

The GOP thought the same thing. This is why the 2012 GOP presidential field was among the weakest in history. The perceived stronger GOP candidates (like Jeb Bush) wanted to wait for 2016, because Obama wouldn't be on the ballot.

Finally, as mentioned earlier the candidate currently running as "Obama's third term" is soundly defeating a very strong progressive challenger. She will become the presumptive nominee tonight.

Clearly, if Clinton can beat the Warren/Sanders wing of the party, then Obama would beat them too... Only by a much greater margin.

Historically, Obama is one of the strongest Presidential candidates in history.

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Could Obama win the DNC Primary today if he was going against Sanders or Warren? [View all] Unicorn Apr 2016 OP

The first time, or the second time? -none Apr 2016 #1

FAIL savalez Apr 2016 #2

Which Obama? haikugal Apr 2016 #3

An impressive herd of DUers had turned on Obama on election night. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #4

I think it would be very hard to defeat a sitting president in a primary. StevieM Apr 2016 #5

What's Warren running for? procon Apr 2016 #6

There it is. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #7

There what is? Unicorn Apr 2016 #9

Trashed childish fail poll Dem2 Apr 2016 #8

Hmm... Let's look at the facts. aaaaaa5a Apr 2016 #10

He wasn't running against someone more progressive than him. Unicorn Apr 2016 #11

The facts don't quite back that up. aaaaaa5a Apr 2016 #13

Hillary isn't defeating anyone. The opposite side noticed the voter suppression Unicorn Apr 2016 #14

It looks like you just changed the topic. aaaaaa5a Apr 2016 #16

What? I haven't changed ANY topic Unicorn Apr 2016 #20

You are now LYING and saying the topic is changed? It has not changed! Unicorn Apr 2016 #21

You are very dishonest. I have changed nothing. Unicorn Apr 2016 #23

Ok. aaaaaa5a Apr 2016 #29

Well you did word a post poorly Gwhittey Apr 2016 #31

Fair point. In retrospect, I think you are correct. aaaaaa5a Apr 2016 #33

I don't agree that Warren and Sanders can be neatly packaged into the same wing of the party. StevieM Apr 2016 #43

You knowyou don't get to make things up and proclaim them fact, right? Scootaloo Apr 2016 #47

Thank you for the excellent reality check. And thank for speaking for all of us Dems who love and skylucy Apr 2016 #49

He would put them in clown suits if they were insane enough to run against him. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #12

+1. aaaaaa5a Apr 2016 #15

Facts are wasted on unicorns n/t Tommy2Tone Apr 2016 #42

When did he pardon banksters? treestar Apr 2016 #17

He refused to send them to prison. Effectively it was a pardon by his administration to only Unicorn Apr 2016 #19

He can only enforce the law as it is treestar Apr 2016 #25

The justice department could have held the people who broke the law but chose not to. Unicorn Apr 2016 #28

If it is not on MSNBC they don't see it. Gwhittey Apr 2016 #32

Amy Goodman is going to vote for Hillary. LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #41

Obama would win the nomination and a 3rd term ... JoePhilly Apr 2016 #18

Fail. It's a RW smear about a Democratic president and the times. FSogol Apr 2016 #22

No, it's not a smear at all and the Hillary rw smear argument has been used wrongly so many times Unicorn Apr 2016 #24

I did read. You're attempting to use Obama to smear HRC. I reject your RW scribblings and laugh. FSogol Apr 2016 #26

The people who did this Unicorn Apr 2016 #50

The answer is yes, with his eyes closed BeyondGeography Apr 2016 #27

First off your choices are stupid mythology Apr 2016 #30

This is a pretty biased poll! democrattotheend Apr 2016 #34

As an African American i proudly say: NO. quantumjunkie Apr 2016 #35

Obama would mop the floor with either of them. P.S. Your Strawman Obama = FAIL emulatorloo Apr 2016 #36

+ a fucking million. "Obama would mop the floor with either of them" Number23 Apr 2016 #55

... Aristus Apr 2016 #37

Blindfolded, and with one hand tied behind his back. Skid Rogue Apr 2016 #38

If Bernie or Elizabeth were President, their most fervent supporters would turn on them pnwmom Apr 2016 #39

Obama hatred alive and well. Too bad he is a better president than almost all previous other than Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #40

Your question is would he win but your poll seems more oriented to would an TheKentuckian Apr 2016 #44

he might not be able to eke out a victory on DU, but he would in the primary, 87% of democrats La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #45

Because the only options you have BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #46

Depending, will Sanders or Warren be running AGAINST Obama's record? brooklynite Apr 2016 #48

So wait, Bernie couldn't even beat Hillary but he'd beat Obama, who's even more popular than Bernie? Drunken Irishman Apr 2016 #51

Of course he would. Hillary has the same supporters as Obama. I do wonder if BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #52

Here's my poll: lovemydog Apr 2016 #53

I don't know what's better. This moronic poll or the 27 people that voted "no" Number23 Apr 2016 #56

We'll continue laughing lovemydog Apr 2016 #57

Another poll: lovemydog Apr 2016 #58

If there hadn't been the same kind of Hillary hate out there pushed by talk radio Jitter65 Apr 2016 #54