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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: in retrospect, what has been the low point of this primary? [View all]That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)137. Just Bernie Supporters? The South does have a reputation.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/05/upshot/demise-of-the-southern-democrat-is-now-nearly-compete.html?_r=0
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/12/overdue-death-of-the-southern-democrats.html
I know, I know wikipedia, eww. This isn't a formal paper though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Dog_Coalition
I live in Texas, I know the big picture view isn't a fair one. The articles I selected largely avoid talking about Southern Black Democrats, but due to election fraud they don't have as much power as they should(something our Democratic leaders rarely address). It however isn't without some justification about Christian, White Southern Democrats. Bill Clinton and James Carville believed the key to holding elected office in the South and gaining more Democratic wins across the country was to be more conservative. Talk like a conservative, even if you don't intend to be one. It's why they hate the left so much, it ruins the con.
However, if you're going to pretend to be a conservative(I'm not sure if any of them were pretending) you have to vote like it once in a while. When we... say badly needed cloture vote in the Senate and didn't get it, baring an occasional conserva-Dem from elsewhere, it was most likely a Southern Democrat who effed us.
The timing of the demise of the Southern Democrat is not coincidental. It reflects a complete cycle of generational replacement in the post-Jim Crow era. Old loyalties to the Democratic Party have died along with the generation of white Southerners who came of age during the era of the Solid South, before Brown v. Board of Education, before the Civil Rights Act.
Yet it also reflects the very specific conditions of 2014. Todays national Democratic Party is as unpopular in the South today as it has ever been, in no small part because the party has embraced a more secular agenda that is not popular in the region.
Its a completely different party than it was 20 or 30 years ago, said Merle Black, a professor of political science at Emory University. When the Democratic Party and its candidates become more liberal on culture and religion, thats not a party thats advocating what these whites value or think.
The party is also led by an unpopular president who has never appealed to the regions white voters. President Obama won about 17 percent of white voters across the Deep South and Texas in 2012, based on an analysis of pre-election polls conducted by the Pew Research Center, census data and election results.
Yet it also reflects the very specific conditions of 2014. Todays national Democratic Party is as unpopular in the South today as it has ever been, in no small part because the party has embraced a more secular agenda that is not popular in the region.
Its a completely different party than it was 20 or 30 years ago, said Merle Black, a professor of political science at Emory University. When the Democratic Party and its candidates become more liberal on culture and religion, thats not a party thats advocating what these whites value or think.
The party is also led by an unpopular president who has never appealed to the regions white voters. President Obama won about 17 percent of white voters across the Deep South and Texas in 2012, based on an analysis of pre-election polls conducted by the Pew Research Center, census data and election results.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/12/overdue-death-of-the-southern-democrats.html
The Long, Overdue Death of the Southern Democrats
Dates Weddings Real Estate Doctors NYC Tourist Guide Best of New York Issue Deals
Daily Intelligencer
the national interest
December 9, 2014 8:51 a.m.
The Long, Overdue Death of the Southern Democrats
By Jonathan Chait
Mary Landrieus defeat last weekend marked a final, anticlimactic end to an epoch in American politics. After Landrieus defeat, Republicans now control every state legislature and governorship in the Deep South. The only states anywhere in the former Confederacy where Democrats hold a governorship or a Senate seat are Virginia and Florida both of which, as Nate Cohn points out, have a majority of residents born outside those states. Democrats had pinned their hopes on a series of scions Mark Pryor, Mary Landrieu, Michelle Nunn, Jason Carter whose fathers had won in an era when Democrats carried those states, in the hopes of summoning their expired familial loyalties.
It is possible to view the decline of southern Democrats as a tragedy born of error. Kevin Baker, writing in the New York Times last month, lamented the Democrats loss of their ancestral heartland as the product of a misguided abandonment of economic populism. The real anomaly is that the Democrats managed to hold out in the Deep South so very, very long.
Barack Obama ran for presidency hoping to transcend old divisions, but his presidency has ironically lent renewed vigor to the most ancient division in American politics. The tea party, which presents itself as the heirs to the Founding Fathers, is actually an heir to one side of the American argument. One tradition bore intense suspicion of centralized government, venerated farmers and rural life, believed the Constitution forbade Congress from all but a handful of specifically enumerated fields of activity, felt comfortable with aggression and violence in both domestic life and foreign affairs, and defended existing social institutions against racial minorities and their allies. This political coalition has always had its strongest base in the Deep South. It is right-wing.
The other tradition advocated a stronger federal government (and deemed this expanded role Constitutional), considered public investment and education the best method of securing prosperity, was more averse to territorial conflict with neighbors, and was more solicitous of racial minorities. This coalition has always had its strongest base in New England. It is left-wing.
Dates Weddings Real Estate Doctors NYC Tourist Guide Best of New York Issue Deals
Daily Intelligencer
the national interest
December 9, 2014 8:51 a.m.
The Long, Overdue Death of the Southern Democrats
By Jonathan Chait
Mary Landrieus defeat last weekend marked a final, anticlimactic end to an epoch in American politics. After Landrieus defeat, Republicans now control every state legislature and governorship in the Deep South. The only states anywhere in the former Confederacy where Democrats hold a governorship or a Senate seat are Virginia and Florida both of which, as Nate Cohn points out, have a majority of residents born outside those states. Democrats had pinned their hopes on a series of scions Mark Pryor, Mary Landrieu, Michelle Nunn, Jason Carter whose fathers had won in an era when Democrats carried those states, in the hopes of summoning their expired familial loyalties.
It is possible to view the decline of southern Democrats as a tragedy born of error. Kevin Baker, writing in the New York Times last month, lamented the Democrats loss of their ancestral heartland as the product of a misguided abandonment of economic populism. The real anomaly is that the Democrats managed to hold out in the Deep South so very, very long.
Barack Obama ran for presidency hoping to transcend old divisions, but his presidency has ironically lent renewed vigor to the most ancient division in American politics. The tea party, which presents itself as the heirs to the Founding Fathers, is actually an heir to one side of the American argument. One tradition bore intense suspicion of centralized government, venerated farmers and rural life, believed the Constitution forbade Congress from all but a handful of specifically enumerated fields of activity, felt comfortable with aggression and violence in both domestic life and foreign affairs, and defended existing social institutions against racial minorities and their allies. This political coalition has always had its strongest base in the Deep South. It is right-wing.
The other tradition advocated a stronger federal government (and deemed this expanded role Constitutional), considered public investment and education the best method of securing prosperity, was more averse to territorial conflict with neighbors, and was more solicitous of racial minorities. This coalition has always had its strongest base in New England. It is left-wing.
I know, I know wikipedia, eww. This isn't a formal paper though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Dog_Coalition
The Blue Dog Coalition, commonly known as the Blue Dogs or Blue Dog Democrats, is a caucus of United States Congressional Representatives from the Democratic Party who identify themselves as conservative Democrats.
Founding members were Glen Browder and Bud Cramer of Alabama; Blanche Lambert Lincoln of Arkansas; Gary Condit of California; Nathan Deal of Georgia; William Lipinski of Illinois; Scotty Baesler of Kentucky; Billy Tauzin and Jimmy Hayes of Louisiana; Collin Peterson and David Minge of Minnesota; Michael Parker and Gene Taylor of Mississippi; Pat Danner of Missouri; William K. Brewster of Oklahoma; John S. Tanner of Tennessee; Ralph Hall, Charles Stenholm, Pete Geren and Greg Laughlin of Texas, Bill Orton of Utah; and Lewis F. Payne, Jr. and Owen Pickett of Virginia. Condit and Deal were co-chairmen. Browder headed the group's budget task force.[9]
The term "Blue Dog Democrat" is credited to Texas Democratic Rep. Pete Geren (who later joined the Bush Administration). Geren opined that the members had been "choked blue" by Democrats on the Left.[10] It is related to the political term "Yellow Dog Democrat," a reference to southern Democrats said to be so loyal they would even vote for a yellow dog if it were labeled Democrat. The term is also a reference to the "Blue Dog" paintings of Cajun artist George Rodrigue of Lafayette, Louisiana, as the original members of the coalition would regularly meet in the offices of Louisiana representatives Billy Tauzin and Jimmy Hayes, both of whom later joined the Republican Party; both had Rodrigue's paintings on their walls.[11][12] An additional explanation for the term cited by members is "when dogs are not let into the house, they stay outside in the cold and turn blue," a reference to the Blue Dogs' belief they had been left out of a party that they believed had shifted to the political left.[13]
Although its membership is not exclusively Southern, some[14][15] view the Blue Dogs as the political successors to a now defunct-in-name Southern Democratic group known as the Boll Weevils, who played a critical role in the early 1980s by supporting President Ronald Reagan's tax cut plan. The Boll Weevils, in turn, may be considered the descendants of the Dixiecrats and the "states' rights" Democrats of the 1940s through the 1960s, and even the Bourbon Democrats of the late 19th century.[16]
Founding members were Glen Browder and Bud Cramer of Alabama; Blanche Lambert Lincoln of Arkansas; Gary Condit of California; Nathan Deal of Georgia; William Lipinski of Illinois; Scotty Baesler of Kentucky; Billy Tauzin and Jimmy Hayes of Louisiana; Collin Peterson and David Minge of Minnesota; Michael Parker and Gene Taylor of Mississippi; Pat Danner of Missouri; William K. Brewster of Oklahoma; John S. Tanner of Tennessee; Ralph Hall, Charles Stenholm, Pete Geren and Greg Laughlin of Texas, Bill Orton of Utah; and Lewis F. Payne, Jr. and Owen Pickett of Virginia. Condit and Deal were co-chairmen. Browder headed the group's budget task force.[9]
The term "Blue Dog Democrat" is credited to Texas Democratic Rep. Pete Geren (who later joined the Bush Administration). Geren opined that the members had been "choked blue" by Democrats on the Left.[10] It is related to the political term "Yellow Dog Democrat," a reference to southern Democrats said to be so loyal they would even vote for a yellow dog if it were labeled Democrat. The term is also a reference to the "Blue Dog" paintings of Cajun artist George Rodrigue of Lafayette, Louisiana, as the original members of the coalition would regularly meet in the offices of Louisiana representatives Billy Tauzin and Jimmy Hayes, both of whom later joined the Republican Party; both had Rodrigue's paintings on their walls.[11][12] An additional explanation for the term cited by members is "when dogs are not let into the house, they stay outside in the cold and turn blue," a reference to the Blue Dogs' belief they had been left out of a party that they believed had shifted to the political left.[13]
Although its membership is not exclusively Southern, some[14][15] view the Blue Dogs as the political successors to a now defunct-in-name Southern Democratic group known as the Boll Weevils, who played a critical role in the early 1980s by supporting President Ronald Reagan's tax cut plan. The Boll Weevils, in turn, may be considered the descendants of the Dixiecrats and the "states' rights" Democrats of the 1940s through the 1960s, and even the Bourbon Democrats of the late 19th century.[16]
I live in Texas, I know the big picture view isn't a fair one. The articles I selected largely avoid talking about Southern Black Democrats, but due to election fraud they don't have as much power as they should(something our Democratic leaders rarely address). It however isn't without some justification about Christian, White Southern Democrats. Bill Clinton and James Carville believed the key to holding elected office in the South and gaining more Democratic wins across the country was to be more conservative. Talk like a conservative, even if you don't intend to be one. It's why they hate the left so much, it ruins the con.
However, if you're going to pretend to be a conservative(I'm not sure if any of them were pretending) you have to vote like it once in a while. When we... say badly needed cloture vote in the Senate and didn't get it, baring an occasional conserva-Dem from elsewhere, it was most likely a Southern Democrat who effed us.
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