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That Guy 888

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137. Just Bernie Supporters? The South does have a reputation.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:10 PM
Apr 2016
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/05/upshot/demise-of-the-southern-democrat-is-now-nearly-compete.html?_r=0
The timing of the demise of the Southern Democrat is not coincidental. It reflects a complete cycle of generational replacement in the post-Jim Crow era. Old loyalties to the Democratic Party have died along with the generation of white Southerners who came of age during the era of the Solid South, before Brown v. Board of Education, before the Civil Rights Act.

Yet it also reflects the very specific conditions of 2014. Today’s national Democratic Party is as unpopular in the South today as it has ever been, in no small part because the party has embraced a more secular agenda that is not popular in the region.

“It’s a completely different party than it was 20 or 30 years ago,” said Merle Black, a professor of political science at Emory University. “When the Democratic Party and its candidates become more liberal on culture and religion, that’s not a party that’s advocating what these whites value or think.”

The party is also led by an unpopular president who has never appealed to the region’s white voters. President Obama won about 17 percent of white voters across the Deep South and Texas in 2012, based on an analysis of pre-election polls conducted by the Pew Research Center, census data and election results.


http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/12/overdue-death-of-the-southern-democrats.html
The Long, Overdue Death of the Southern Democrats

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Daily Intelligencer
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December 9, 2014 8:51 a.m.
The Long, Overdue Death of the Southern Democrats
By Jonathan Chait

Mary Landrieu’s defeat last weekend marked a final, anticlimactic end to an epoch in American politics. After Landrieu’s defeat, Republicans now control every state legislature and governorship in the Deep South. The only states anywhere in the former Confederacy where Democrats hold a governorship or a Senate seat are Virginia and Florida — both of which, as Nate Cohn points out, have a majority of residents born outside those states. Democrats had pinned their hopes on a series of scions — Mark Pryor, Mary Landrieu, Michelle Nunn, Jason Carter — whose fathers had won in an era when Democrats carried those states, in the hopes of summoning their expired familial loyalties.

It is possible to view the decline of southern Democrats as a tragedy born of error. Kevin Baker, writing in the New York Times last month, lamented the Democrats’ loss of their ancestral heartland as the product of a misguided abandonment of economic populism. The real anomaly is that the Democrats managed to hold out in the Deep South so very, very long.

Barack Obama ran for presidency hoping to transcend old divisions, but his presidency has ironically lent renewed vigor to the most ancient division in American politics. The tea party, which presents itself as the heirs to the Founding Fathers, is actually an heir to one side of the American argument. One tradition bore intense suspicion of centralized government, venerated farmers and rural life, believed the Constitution forbade Congress from all but a handful of specifically enumerated fields of activity, felt comfortable with aggression and violence in both domestic life and foreign affairs, and defended existing social institutions against racial minorities and their allies. This political coalition has always had its strongest base in the Deep South. It is right-wing.

The other tradition advocated a stronger federal government (and deemed this expanded role Constitutional), considered public investment and education the best method of securing prosperity, was more averse to territorial conflict with neighbors, and was more solicitous of racial minorities. This coalition has always had its strongest base in New England. It is left-wing.


I know, I know wikipedia, eww. This isn't a formal paper though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Dog_Coalition
The Blue Dog Coalition, commonly known as the Blue Dogs or Blue Dog Democrats, is a caucus of United States Congressional Representatives from the Democratic Party who identify themselves as conservative Democrats.

Founding members were Glen Browder and Bud Cramer of Alabama; Blanche Lambert Lincoln of Arkansas; Gary Condit of California; Nathan Deal of Georgia; William Lipinski of Illinois; Scotty Baesler of Kentucky; Billy Tauzin and Jimmy Hayes of Louisiana; Collin Peterson and David Minge of Minnesota; Michael Parker and Gene Taylor of Mississippi; Pat Danner of Missouri; William K. Brewster of Oklahoma; John S. Tanner of Tennessee; Ralph Hall, Charles Stenholm, Pete Geren and Greg Laughlin of Texas, Bill Orton of Utah; and Lewis F. Payne, Jr. and Owen Pickett of Virginia. Condit and Deal were co-chairmen. Browder headed the group's budget task force.[9]

The term "Blue Dog Democrat" is credited to Texas Democratic Rep. Pete Geren (who later joined the Bush Administration). Geren opined that the members had been "choked blue" by Democrats on the Left.[10] It is related to the political term "Yellow Dog Democrat," a reference to southern Democrats said to be so loyal they would even vote for a yellow dog if it were labeled Democrat. The term is also a reference to the "Blue Dog" paintings of Cajun artist George Rodrigue of Lafayette, Louisiana, as the original members of the coalition would regularly meet in the offices of Louisiana representatives Billy Tauzin and Jimmy Hayes, both of whom later joined the Republican Party; both had Rodrigue's paintings on their walls.[11][12] An additional explanation for the term cited by members is "when dogs are not let into the house, they stay outside in the cold and turn blue," a reference to the Blue Dogs' belief they had been left out of a party that they believed had shifted to the political left.[13]

Although its membership is not exclusively Southern, some[14][15] view the Blue Dogs as the political successors to a now defunct-in-name Southern Democratic group known as the Boll Weevils, who played a critical role in the early 1980s by supporting President Ronald Reagan's tax cut plan. The Boll Weevils, in turn, may be considered the descendants of the Dixiecrats and the "states' rights" Democrats of the 1940s through the 1960s, and even the Bourbon Democrats of the late 19th century.[16]


I live in Texas, I know the big picture view isn't a fair one. The articles I selected largely avoid talking about Southern Black Democrats, but due to election fraud they don't have as much power as they should(something our Democratic leaders rarely address). It however isn't without some justification about Christian, White Southern Democrats. Bill Clinton and James Carville believed the key to holding elected office in the South and gaining more Democratic wins across the country was to be more conservative. Talk like a conservative, even if you don't intend to be one. It's why they hate the left so much, it ruins the con.

However, if you're going to pretend to be a conservative(I'm not sure if any of them were pretending) you have to vote like it once in a while. When we... say badly needed cloture vote in the Senate and didn't get it, baring an occasional conserva-Dem from elsewhere, it was most likely a Southern Democrat who effed us.

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The pointed use of racial politics by the Clinton campaign to disparage Sanders.[n/t] Maedhros Apr 2016 #1
The Worst of the Worst noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #3
Right up there with Willy Horton.[n/t] Maedhros Apr 2016 #4
Or WillyT. JTFrog Apr 2016 #23
heh. nt nolawarlock Apr 2016 #66
I'm glad you referenced that. nolawarlock Apr 2016 #67
so you call him WillyH .... Hiraeth Apr 2016 #123
So does this mean you are defending his racist Stockholm Syndrome post? nolawarlock Apr 2016 #138
I know one thing, Hiraeth Apr 2016 #139
Thank you ... nolawarlock Apr 2016 #141
Or down there, Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #196
Low information voters, Stockholm Syndrome, Southern states don't matter KittyWampus Apr 2016 #13
Southern states have "master/slave" mentality emulatorloo Apr 2016 #58
But it was okay when they had the same mentality to Iowa, Vermont etc artislife Apr 2016 #109
Don't forget, "when you talk about ghettos traditionally, what you talk about ... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #162
At every turn and every opportunity. nt cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #31
I second this but add a little extra GummyBearz Apr 2016 #49
I'd pretend that as well... it allows us the creative pretense of oppression. LanternWaste Apr 2016 #126
Yesterday's post yearning for Hillary's indictment Hortensis Apr 2016 #72
Yearning for an indictment on charges of which she very well may be guilty Maedhros Apr 2016 #75
The indictment fairy. Lil Missy Apr 2016 #113
Lol. More like the indictment evil warlock. Hortensis Apr 2016 #145
First answer is the thread winner farleftlib Apr 2016 #78
That for sure Armstead Apr 2016 #100
I thought that was very unfair Turin_C3PO Apr 2016 #114
My jaw dropped when I was told that it didn't matter if he walked with MLK fasttense Apr 2016 #129
"when you talk about ghettos traditionally, what you talk about is African-American communities. " uponit7771 Apr 2016 #161
Hillary's refusal to drop out while facing investigations, for the good of the party, takes it silvershadow Apr 2016 #2
Hillary trolls shutting down facebook groups by spamming with child-porn AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #5
yes. That was probably the lowest that I've seen ANY dana_b Apr 2016 #10
AND getting PAID for doing so AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #14
I don't want to just put you on Ignore, but... moriah Apr 2016 #20
I believe there has been a photo with Hillary ....... peace13 Apr 2016 #213
Yeah, that didn't happen, but you go on and believe whatever helps you sleep at night. nt JTFrog Apr 2016 #18
Guess you didn't hear that Facebook itself said that it was a technical glitch and . . . brush Apr 2016 #82
A porn spamming glitch that only took down Sanders groups? AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #144
Did you not read what I wrote? It wasn't only Sanders pages. brush Apr 2016 #146
Bernie using the Vatican and Pope for a political stunt photo op itsrobert Apr 2016 #6
Yeah nolawarlock Apr 2016 #68
The obsessive attention to the Vatican Visit was a comedic lown point Armstead Apr 2016 #105
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2016 #175
Berniebros attacking multiple civil rights icons. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #7
Translation: Sanders marched with MLK whilest Hillary was working to get Goldwater elected AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #15
Translation: Bernie gets the shit beat out of him by Hillary with minorities.... LexVegas Apr 2016 #22
"Pandering, lying bullshit"...Ever heard of Projection? Look it up. KeepItReal Apr 2016 #53
This. This. This. Bobbie Jo Apr 2016 #205
The information theft by the Sanders campaign CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #8
...that never materialized... AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #17
We'll never know, sadly. CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #21
Bernie fired them for a reason. n/t emulatorloo Apr 2016 #56
The "speech" that Sanders just gave. grossproffit Apr 2016 #9
He was an angry bird. CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #24
That hotsauce thing... ismnotwasm Apr 2016 #11
MSM pretending Senator Sanders was not real. oldandhappy Apr 2016 #12
The disgusting attacks on civil rights leaders and others who dare endorse Hillary. JTFrog Apr 2016 #16
Which civil rights leader was criticized just for endorsing her? NT Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #189
the alert stalking in the African American Group- all the rude assessments of the intellect or bettyellen Apr 2016 #19
+1 itsrobert Apr 2016 #25
That ticks most of my boxes too. wildeyed Apr 2016 #47
Well said. emulatorloo Apr 2016 #55
yeah, the hosts here have been bullied to the brink by libertarians who had an active dislike bettyellen Apr 2016 #62
I don't think Turin_C3PO Apr 2016 #116
Bernie is a progressive in the true sense. Isn't it normal for you to find that intimidating I guess snowy owl Apr 2016 #130
"Why is it bad to acknowledge" the rampant harassment of women and POC here IS a real problem? bettyellen Apr 2016 #131
In the eyes of the beholder I guess. Harassment of women? I don't see it. snowy owl Apr 2016 #140
and the harassment of POC- not worth you addressing? Noted. bettyellen Apr 2016 #143
No, I haven't noted that either. Perhaps you're overly sensitive. POC treated like everybody else. snowy owl Apr 2016 #150
Well you are ignorant to what has gone on in the AA forum, but I assure you, I am not. bettyellen Apr 2016 #151
So I disagree so am ignorant. hahaha. Spoken like a true Clinton supporter. snowy owl Apr 2016 #153
You said more than once you did not know- yet discount what I say. So you admittedly spoke from bettyellen Apr 2016 #187
Women. Hillary Supporters. People of Color. AA. sheshe2 Apr 2016 #155
No, I haven't. HRC claims victimhood. Maybe that's prevalent on your side. snowy owl Apr 2016 #157
You have a link to where she claims victim hood? sheshe2 Apr 2016 #159
No link. I guess her "artful smears" comment early on. Her cheap shots connote the victim but... snowy owl Apr 2016 #171
Good dodge. sheshe2 Apr 2016 #185
This is false on its face, a disproportionate amount of us were banned multiple times uponit7771 Apr 2016 #166
How do you know that? I mean that there were many of you? snowy owl Apr 2016 #176
I was hidden twice for posting about Sanders having the person who called Obama niggerized... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #177
Sorry, I don't know about that person. Can you link? snowy owl Apr 2016 #179
Yes a very high number of people have been hidden or banned just for posting links to Sanders votes uponit7771 Apr 2016 #210
The hides are in the groups. sheshe2 Apr 2016 #186
I'm talking about GDP not individual groups where hides are available uponit7771 Apr 2016 #211
Voted for CFMA, corporate immunity, against Brady Bill and has Tad Devin on his time =! progressive! uponit7771 Apr 2016 #165
You don't do your homework. Check your facts. That's my complaint about HRC people. snowy owl Apr 2016 #178
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2016 #164
+1. A real eye-opener for me. n/t emulatorloo Apr 2016 #60
+1000 Starry Messenger Apr 2016 #73
you mean the unofficial Hillary group? ibegurpard Apr 2016 #132
Sour grapes is a shitty reason to stalk the African American group. bettyellen Apr 2016 #135
I don't go to the African American group ibegurpard Apr 2016 #136
You know because you never go there? wildeyed Apr 2016 #198
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2016 #163
That DU has been so fractured that people who used to be friends... moriah Apr 2016 #26
+1000 AirmensMom Apr 2016 #48
When the election goes to GE footing I'll clear my list. moriah Apr 2016 #63
The people I have mostly agreed with over the years I still agree with Fumesucker Apr 2016 #192
Election fraud n/t. Helga Scow Stern Apr 2016 #27
The fact that the Clinton campaign never addressed this issue. peace13 Apr 2016 #204
Keep seeing nasty posts/comments, elleng Apr 2016 #28
The smug, entitled, arrogant posts of the HRC cheerleaders. grntuscarora Apr 2016 #29
Do you feel that any of Bernie's supporters have been smug, entitled, or arrogant? oberliner Apr 2016 #34
Hillary supporters. grntuscarora Apr 2016 #42
I have seen some of that on both sides oberliner Apr 2016 #44
Perhaps, yes. grntuscarora Apr 2016 #46
Thinking that Hillary and especially Bill xloadiex Apr 2016 #30
Bernie supporters referring to mostly African-American voters as representing "Confederate states" oberliner Apr 2016 #32
Just Bernie Supporters? The South does have a reputation. That Guy 888 Apr 2016 #137
Thanks for posting. A difficult subject. Obama campaigned for Lincoln when a very good real dem was snowy owl Apr 2016 #182
the inability of the democratic party to act like a party Fresh_Start Apr 2016 #33
Clinton supporters calling fellow Democrats racists. Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #35
Realizing I don't belong in this party, my values are different. Joob Apr 2016 #36
The systematic attacks against AA people. joshcryer Apr 2016 #37
Bernie supporters promoting conspiracy theories and right wing talking points on a constant basis qdouble Apr 2016 #38
EXACTLY. Sparkly Apr 2016 #95
Conspiracies? In your fantasies. Like what? snowy owl Apr 2016 #154
+1, to this day!!! uponit7771 Apr 2016 #167
Hasn't happened for me yet. 99Forever Apr 2016 #39
Hillary. PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #40
Corporate whore Renew Deal Apr 2016 #41
The confirmation that some democrats refuse to embrace progressive policies. Juicy_Bellows Apr 2016 #43
Yes. And also, for me, learning the depth of corruption and seeing that it hasn't been important to JudyM Apr 2016 #134
Well said. I agree and share your shock. Juicy_Bellows Apr 2016 #148
Mr "we'll see" isn't the standard for progressiveness for America uponit7771 Apr 2016 #168
Isn't Festivus in December? TSIAS Apr 2016 #45
For some people, festivus is year round. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #50
Hillary being called a 'whore' in NY. RandySF Apr 2016 #51
Hillary saying "That'll never happen" about FBI investigation implicating her... k8conant Apr 2016 #52
O'Malley not getting any traction at all. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #54
I can actually quite agree with this. Xyzse Apr 2016 #122
There have been too many to count... The painting of a good man as racist, sexist, anti-LGBT ScreamingMeemie Apr 2016 #57
The realization that a majority of my fellow Dems... actslikeacarrot Apr 2016 #59
When the field winnowed down to our two worst candidates Recursion Apr 2016 #61
Who should have been the nominee? NT Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #193
Schweitzer, had he run Recursion Apr 2016 #194
Oof, that's a hard question. auntpurl Apr 2016 #64
That we let the party get hijacked by an unelectable outsider ContinentalOp Apr 2016 #65
Sorry, but this post is just ridiculous. Maedhros Apr 2016 #81
Worst: realization so few people value democracy. snowy owl Apr 2016 #90
The party and its reaction to progressive ideals. mmonk Apr 2016 #69
This is a tough one ... nolawarlock Apr 2016 #70
One thing that has really bummed me out ContinentalOp Apr 2016 #71
when it became obvious to me that the whole primary process was rigged by the Democratic™ party corkhead Apr 2016 #74
I concur with this astrophuss42 Apr 2016 #76
When the DNC imposed stifling restrictions on debates Maedhros Apr 2016 #83
The Clinton supporters and campaign using racism against Bernie Sanders and his supporters. Autumn Apr 2016 #77
What do you think of this post? auntpurl Apr 2016 #79
My thoughts? It was a good hide. How do you know it was 3 Bernie supporters? Autumn Apr 2016 #91
So you think it was Hillary supporters? auntpurl Apr 2016 #93
Do you think there are only Bernie and Hillary supporters here and this place is troll free? Autumn Apr 2016 #99
Okey doke. auntpurl Apr 2016 #102
Looks like you have all the right Hillary supporters on ignore if you think that it's only Bernie Autumn Apr 2016 #104
There are definitely jerks on both sides. auntpurl Apr 2016 #106
Maybe it was just racists or trolls? Turin_C3PO Apr 2016 #117
I'm sure there are trolls on both sides, yes. auntpurl Apr 2016 #118
Probably not. Turin_C3PO Apr 2016 #119
I certainly hope so. auntpurl Apr 2016 #120
"when you talk about ghettos traditionally, what you talk about is African-American communities. " uponit7771 Apr 2016 #170
Ghettos are not exclusive to African-American communities Autumn Apr 2016 #200
Looking at the context of the question everyone knew what he was talking about no amount of excuses uponit7771 Apr 2016 #207
BernieBros threatening to rape my daughter Proud Public Servant Apr 2016 #80
They're like the Black Bloc that show up at street protests here in Portland. Maedhros Apr 2016 #86
When sanders said Hillary wasn't qualified.... beachbum bob Apr 2016 #84
Aw, c'mon. Feel so bad...poor Clintonites . . . even though HRC surrogates said it first. snowy owl Apr 2016 #87
Corruption. It's been at the root of everything else. merrily Apr 2016 #85
"All of them, Charlie." nemo137 Apr 2016 #88
The low point was when Hillary John Poet Apr 2016 #89
+1 farleftlib Apr 2016 #94
The failure of the media to cover Bernie because they dubbed him as "fringe." Vinca Apr 2016 #92
Not good enough Bernie Capt. Obvious Apr 2016 #96
Trump Haveadream Apr 2016 #97
Oh god yes, I rescind my answer! THIS. auntpurl Apr 2016 #108
Attacking civil rights icons... workinclasszero Apr 2016 #98
"not good enough, Bernie" jack_krass Apr 2016 #101
Seeing that so many support perpetual war, empire and profit over human lives, polly7 Apr 2016 #103
Yes Polly, I agree. peace13 Apr 2016 #209
This has been the dirtiest campaing I have experienced since 2000 nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #107
Last night Armstead Apr 2016 #110
Good grief, this is a shit stirring OP. cry baby Apr 2016 #111
All of it. Turin_C3PO Apr 2016 #112
The attacks on Senator Sanders wife. nt DookDook Apr 2016 #115
The fixing that has gone on from the state to the actual election. jwirr Apr 2016 #121
That's a pretty good description of an oligarchy. snowy owl Apr 2016 #156
Yes - I wonder how long it has been this way and we did not jwirr Apr 2016 #214
Clinton's candidacy. bvf Apr 2016 #124
Master-Slave relationship and Stockholm Syndrome. LanternWaste Apr 2016 #125
Clinton's candidacy. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #127
When Hillary Clinton announced she was running again. B Calm Apr 2016 #128
And, this ....... right before vital votes. polly7 Apr 2016 #133
That was very well put together. Good points by TYT and a must watch JimDandy Apr 2016 #183
"Count the brown people" Prism Apr 2016 #142
balls out racism from racists reddread Apr 2016 #149
..and that notion was confirmed by polling, it was obvious for all to see after he had Cornell West uponit7771 Apr 2016 #172
That right-wing news sources are used to make arguments and validate opinions. Lil Missy Apr 2016 #147
The media promoting donald trump. It was not funny, but the media hyped that idiot! akbacchus_BC Apr 2016 #152
The ascendancy of Trump means that the Repuke field LibDemAlways Apr 2016 #184
How bad our fellow dems are with their cavalier views of voters. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #158
The primary isn't over. I have confidence no matter what the low point is now... Kalidurga Apr 2016 #160
Asshole WillyT's Bigoted Shit Getting a lot of support JI7 Apr 2016 #169
yeap, 80 recs for his meta Stockholm Syndrome post uponit7771 Apr 2016 #173
And 89 melman Apr 2016 #190
Please keep calm! You do not want to get exiled! akbacchus_BC Apr 2016 #174
Coming back to DU after a couple year layoff cliffordu Apr 2016 #180
Sanders appearing to let up before all primaries are completed... peace13 Apr 2016 #212
Krugman. I used to listen to him. Now I only see a smug lying bastard. floppyboo Apr 2016 #181
Yes, I also have less respect for Paul Krugman. Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #191
Hillary Clinton calling Sanders a single-issue candidate Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #188
When the DNC crammed a shitty candidate down our throats! B Calm Apr 2016 #195
With regard to DU, the letter to our friend in Alaska. aikoaiko Apr 2016 #197
Hillary has been a huge disappointment. Nt Logical Apr 2016 #199
My cursing out other DUers. My being nasty to others here and my bad behavior. hrmjustin Apr 2016 #201
We've all done that...Chalk it up to passion Armstead Apr 2016 #208
That Clinton supporters just don't care that while she was SOS.. peace13 Apr 2016 #202
The systematic use of racial politics by the Clintons and their lackeys. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #203
To me this Democratic 2016 Presidential campaign began with the low that the choice had been made TumbleAndJumble Apr 2016 #206
Low Point? The Writings of H. A. Goodman. MineralMan Apr 2016 #215
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