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2016 Postmortem

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vintx

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Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:21 PM Apr 2016

I've seen a lot of puff pieces about Hillary's excuses and justifications for her IWR vote. [View all]

Thought I'd post this to #correcttherecord

The 5 Worst Excuses for Hillary Clinton’s Vote To Invade Iraq
Clinton supporters want Democratic voters to forgive their candidate’s support for the most disastrous foreign policy decision in decades. They shouldn’t.

1. “Hillary Clinton’s vote wasn’t for war, but simply to pressure Saddam Hussein to allow UN weapons inspectors back into Iraq.”
At the time of vote, Saddam Hussein had already agreed in principle to a return of the weapons inspectors. His government was negotiating with the United Nations Monitoring and Verification Commission on the details, which were formally institutionalized a few weeks later. (Indeed, it would have been resolved earlier had the United States not repeatedly postponed a UN Security Council resolution in the hopes of inserting language that would have allowed Washington to unilaterally interpret the level of compliance.)

Furthermore, if then-Senator Clinton’s desire was simply to push Saddam into complying with the inspection process, she wouldn’t have voted against the substitute Levin amendment, which would have also granted President Bush authority to use force, but only if Iraq defied subsequent UN demands regarding the inspections process. Instead, Clinton voted for a Republican-sponsored resolution to give Bush the authority to invade Iraq at the time and circumstances of his own choosing.

In fact, unfettered large-scale weapons inspections had been going on in Iraq for nearly four months at the time the Bush administration launched the March 2003 invasion. Despite the UN weapons inspectors having not found any evidence of WMDs or active WMD programs after months of searching, Clinton made clear that the United States should invade Iraq anyway. Indeed, she asserted that even though Saddam was in full compliance with the UN Security Council, he nevertheless needed to resign as president, leave the country, and allow U.S. troops to occupy the country. “The president gave Saddam Hussein one last chance to avoid war,” Clinton said in a statement, “and the world hopes that Saddam Hussein will finally hear this ultimatum, understand the severity of those words, and act accordingly.”

When Saddam refused to resign and the Bush administration launched the invasion, Clinton went on record calling for “unequivocal support” for Bush’s “firm leadership and decisive action” as “part of the ongoing Global War on Terrorism.” She insisted that Iraq was somehow still “in material breach of the relevant United Nations resolutions” and, despite the fact that weapons inspectors had produced evidence to the contrary, claimed the invasion was necessary to “neutralize Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction.”

(more at link)

http://inthesetimes.com/article/18813/the-five-lamest-excuses-for-hillary-clintons-vote-to-invade-iraq
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Other Dems voted the same way, BUT I don't sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #1
Yep. Hillary shilled for it. Enthusiastically. djean111 Apr 2016 #5
She didn't want too. Bush gave NY 20 billion so she had too. And NY wanted that war... bahrbearian Apr 2016 #49
I did not realize until this moment that the Bernie Brigade takes umbrage with HRC's vote on Iraq. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #2
Most of the people on this site did, at the time. vintx Apr 2016 #3
No, I hated that she voted for it. And I talked about it for awhile. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #8
Do you think the people will ever "shut up" about it? You DO know that millions died, right? vintx Apr 2016 #10
Know this: Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #12
Millions died. That's a very big fucking difference. How many dead in Libya, so far, vintx Apr 2016 #16
You are aware that her vote DID NOT AUTHORIZE THE WAR, right? Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #18
She knew damn well that's what she was voting for. dflprincess Apr 2016 #34
You're the one who's ignorant choie Apr 2016 #35
No matter how much common sense is talked about this long ago vote, BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #48
You say we have a "bizarre obsession" with votes on criminal wars? Wow. reformist2 Apr 2016 #24
She did not vote to authorize a war. Look it up ... or just keep obsessing over your misconception. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #26
Maybe we care that the blood of over choie Apr 2016 #11
Get over yourself. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #15
Struck a nerve, huh? choie Apr 2016 #25
Not at all, but my patience has worn thin with the incredible arrogance accompanying your ignorance. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #31
Get over yourself... choie Apr 2016 #36
This is the unprovoked rudeness that loses elections. reformist2 Apr 2016 #27
Just returning fire. If you can't take it, don't dish it out. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #28
I bet you assigned most of the blame where it belonged, too CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #32
THIS ===> "willfully ignore it." Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #33
That's fucking bullshit choie Apr 2016 #38
Read the language they authorized. Educate yourself. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #39
You educate yourself.. choie Apr 2016 #40
Because the vote clearly illustrates, leftinportland Apr 2016 #41
Kick. N/T actslikeacarrot Apr 2016 #4
Big mistake RobertEarl Apr 2016 #6
"It's time for the United States to start thinking of Iraq as a business opportunity." - HRC vintx Apr 2016 #7
Her and Cheney both RobertEarl Apr 2016 #9
It explains how she and Bill can be so chummy with the Kissingers. vintx Apr 2016 #19
Trump knows it RobertEarl Apr 2016 #22
As well as their friends. $$$$$ 840high Apr 2016 #42
Kinda Gwhittey Apr 2016 #20
That swiftboat RobertEarl Apr 2016 #23
meanwhile there's bernie voting to spend billions on the MIC every year. and look what he gets in msongs Apr 2016 #13
It's been ''Money trumps peace'' since the Ayatollah gave Reagan a major for the Hostages. Octafish Apr 2016 #14
I agree it is time for peace. Long past time. But business opportunities abound vintx Apr 2016 #17
It's time for peace. Gwhittey Apr 2016 #21
WHO CARES? THE PRIMARY IS OVER BERNIE LOST. GIVE IT UP. Gomez163 Apr 2016 #29
IW was a mistake - I knew it at the time. It was bush/cheney's war, not Hillary's. Lil Missy Apr 2016 #30
Her Regime Change in Libya was just as bad; she learned nothing from Iraq amborin Apr 2016 #37
Oh I disagree. I think she learned just how much $$$$ there is to be made. nt vintx Apr 2016 #45
Sanders CFMA vote is worse uponit7771 Apr 2016 #43
Perpetuating another lie by the choie Apr 2016 #44
OK then, we agree he voted for the CFMA but he gives no grace on votes and he gets none either... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #46
What is your point Sheepshank Apr 2016 #47
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