2016 Postmortem

CobaltBlue

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197. This is accurate

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:18 PM

Apr 2016

I don't easily trust people who claim they are "progressives" or that they are "liberals." And stating that one self-identifies as a "Democrat" doesn't mean one is automatically progressive or liberal.

Hillary Clinton's 20-plus year record is available. She was in her mid-40s when husband Bill unseated George Bush and was elected the 42nd president of the United States. She was elected to her first term in the United States Senate the year she turned 53. Not many politicians "evolve" from right-wing to left-wing as she tries to convey with trying to make people think she can outflank Bernie Sanders.

One thing to keep in mind is this: We are at a point now in which we are seeing these progressives, liberals, and Democrats put to the test. The Millenials' primaries' voting message is, "The Democratic Party, whether their elected officials may say they are progressive, are a part of the establishment. And the establishment is out of touch."

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The bashing of the Progressives (my own last post here in GDP) [View all] Bonobo Apr 2016 OP

Bernie's not done, Bonobo, but I understand your position. merrily Apr 2016 #1

Yeah, no one's going to have enough pledged delegates going into the convention Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #4

Yes, but the primary is not the ballgame, either--unless the supporters of Sanders make it so. merrily Apr 2016 #7

The primary is the ballgame this time pengu Apr 2016 #33

Thanks. That's not my view of Bernie or what he has started. nt merrily Apr 2016 #37

The last time the Clintons took over the party progressives went to the wilderness for 2 decades pengu Apr 2016 #79

That was then. FYI, the Clintons and other New Democrats have been in merrily Apr 2016 #90

Yes, and they're already moving to force out progressives this time pengu Apr 2016 #92

I understand that. However, 2016 is not 1992. merrily Apr 2016 #94

Increasing popular rage, due to economic oppression, is inevitable. Thus revolution is inevitable. Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #96

Truth. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2016 #194

It will be with Clinton as the candidate pengu Apr 2016 #97

Again, we see things differently. What do you want me to say? merrily Apr 2016 #99

You seem like a bright person pengu Apr 2016 #101

That would ensure they win, in every way that matters. Why let them run you off? We have more haikugal Apr 2016 #203

The groundwork has been laid for any opposition during her term to be labeled, "misogynist" nt Snotcicles Apr 2016 #153

This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Apr 2016 #192

ty pokerfan Apr 2016 #250

She'll give nothing to progressives arikara Apr 2016 #220

I don't think she's going to win the general. Marr Apr 2016 #230

I hear ya, and you're right. The struggle for many of us, is that' we've always been Democrats 2banon Apr 2016 #235

+1 Unicorn Apr 2016 #244

I am glad you are saying that, Merrily. It should not be all for naught. bettyellen Apr 2016 #178

I was thinking the same. Enthusiast Apr 2016 #216

Sorry you feel that way. Some here believe we will make more actual progress with another candidate. Hoyt Apr 2016 #2

Clinton refuses to campaign on a public option, even though it's on her website eridani Apr 2016 #9

It's like two pages of legislation. joshcryer Apr 2016 #12

Someone from Colorado says this?? Do you have a clue what insurance companies-- eridani Apr 2016 #14

Yes, the Koch's are already getting involved. joshcryer Apr 2016 #18

Exactly. Which is why Clinton isn't going to do anything about it eridani Apr 2016 #22

It would not pass this congress openly. joshcryer Apr 2016 #23

And insurance companies won't notice? Please!!!! eridani Apr 2016 #25

Of course they would notice. joshcryer Apr 2016 #26

The choice and more options gambit didn't work in 2009 when we could have used it eridani Apr 2016 #28

Independents are all over the map Arneoker Apr 2016 #45

But 70% of those who vte in primaries are for Sanders. n/t eridani Apr 2016 #252

We have a gerrymandered house Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #55

Gonna need it, with UnitedHealth pulling out of exchanges... Beartracks Apr 2016 #15

Single payer wasn't a hard sell in VT. The state wanted it. But the Giv Nanjeanne Apr 2016 #115

I'm not disagreeing with you ... Fantastic Anarchist May 2016 #267

I know that's how it started in Canada and I had hoped hit would start that way here too Nanjeanne May 2016 #270

I agree. Fantastic Anarchist May 2016 #271

I feel it too. Thanks for expressing it so well. bbgrunt Apr 2016 #3

I have a feeling it's mother nature who will be delivering the Karma. Unicorn Apr 2016 #246

DU has been on this trajectory PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #5

Yep, the mix on DU has changed considerably rightward IMO, while RKP5637 Apr 2016 #61

According to a poll yesterday with lots of responses, DU is still 80-85% Bernie supporters. leveymg Apr 2016 #107

Thanks for this reply, leveymg! Good to hear!!! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #112

Don't give up the ship. leveymg Apr 2016 #113

Thanks! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #117

Try reading this about the email case brush Apr 2016 #254

Yes, and I also found this in the same thread. Much more to the point> leveymg Apr 2016 #256

This!^^^^^^10000! 2banon Apr 2016 #236

No answer PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #237

It should be a very ineresting convention. Thanks for saying it so well. Bernie isn't done... snowy owl Apr 2016 #6

Totally understand. JimDandy Apr 2016 #8

She's going to have a very rough time of it in the 2016 GE, especially with Charles Koch RKP5637 Apr 2016 #63

"Progressives" bash actual progress. joshcryer Apr 2016 #10

Well… CobaltBlue Apr 2016 #11

"questions about" artislife Apr 2016 #150

Hmm… CobaltBlue Apr 2016 #266

Very few have bashed progressive politics here ... Onlooker Apr 2016 #13

Great response. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #16

That's the saddest part. joshcryer Apr 2016 #20

Onlooker, you've said it all here: Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #46

bullshit. The "Free Stuff' Ponies, and unicorn crap was non stop think Apr 2016 #93

Your entire post is an example of what's wrong here. LonePirate Apr 2016 #137

Soft corruption is perfectly legal in case you weren't aware. So no I didn't say convict her. think Apr 2016 #139

You completely missed the point. LonePirate Apr 2016 #149

I can and will make both points. Hillary is corrupt and her supporters are using right wing memes think Apr 2016 #160

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit is it? LonePirate Apr 2016 #169

Did Hillary take millions from the banks that broke laws or not? Can you answer that simple question think Apr 2016 #171

That question is irrelevant to the point I am making about your blatant hypocrisy. LonePirate Apr 2016 #172

Hillary took millions from the banks that routinely violate laws. Hillary supports policy that the think Apr 2016 #177

the ubs case is a perfect example of quid pro quo questionseverything Apr 2016 #188

lol eShirl Apr 2016 #180

I read the entire sub-thread and I think it's you who has the reading comprehension problem. ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #231

Couldnt have said it better. Eko Apr 2016 #167

EXACTLY THIS!! bettyellen Apr 2016 #181

You sure have...from your transparency collection: Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #108

Thanks for posting that nt vintx Apr 2016 #132

Bingo. Lovely demonstration of gaslighting. nt laundry_queen Apr 2016 #221

Sander supporters DESPISE HILLARY only bc she has a DOCUMENTED HISTORY of Corruption, PERIOD quantass Apr 2016 #120

This. ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #182

You paint a broad brush pinebox Apr 2016 #123

LOL. Trying to revise history. Progressive have been bashed here over and over. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #219

I don't think that progressivism is being bashed so much Arneoker Apr 2016 #17

I wish both of them could be president at the same time! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #66

"the Hillary folks began to bash the very idea of Progressivism" Beartracks Apr 2016 #19

Not only the general idea, but Medicare for All, clean elections, etc. Good grief. merrily Apr 2016 #30

Yes, Hillary supporters want to disenfranchise those who want to vote for her Arneoker Apr 2016 #34

Non sequitur deflection attempt, combined with attacks. p.u. merrily Apr 2016 #44

Responding to the falsehood that Hillary and Company Arneoker Apr 2016 #48

Poster, please. Your reply 34 was to my post 30, which said nothing about those things. merrily Apr 2016 #49

People waited in line beltanefauve Apr 2016 #202

Oh please. Enough with the smarmy condescension. Maedhros Apr 2016 #190

Oh, yeah. That, too. Beartracks Apr 2016 #226

They are my political enemies. Maedhros Apr 2016 #258

This place is hardly a bastion of Liberalism anymore. Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #21

It was never a bastion of liberalism. It was anti Bush and anti Republican. merrily Apr 2016 #31

Yep. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #41

Good summary!!! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #68

Understood. But I do not agree CobaltBlue Apr 2016 #196

Hillary supporters are Progressives too. You try to redefine it, but fail. Lil Missy Apr 2016 #24

New Democrats redefined liberalism and progressivism, not Sanders' supporters. merrily Apr 2016 #32

If you supported Clinton in the primaries, you are no progressive pengu Apr 2016 #36

This would be an example. The audacity to define Democrats in this manner and expect anything. seabeyond Apr 2016 #69

This is accurate CobaltBlue Apr 2016 #197

+1000 stonecutter357 Apr 2016 #38

Many of us feel the same TrueDemVA Apr 2016 #27

The political environment in the US today is akin to a Jerry Springer show. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #70

Both sides are as bad as each other. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #29

If the democrats don't stop ripping each other apart and cementing hard feelings, that is RKP5637 Apr 2016 #80

Exactly. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #141

The queen falls and the Democratic party can rebuild artislife Apr 2016 #155

No CobaltBlue Apr 2016 #198

What am I wrong about? Bad Dog Apr 2016 #205

so shanti Apr 2016 #206

I am a Socialist. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #241

Just scroll through GDP and you should see we're way past "bickering" 2banon Apr 2016 #238

Don't you. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #240

The probable nominee offends me pengu Apr 2016 #35

Really Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #58

Yes, worst, if the R's had the chance to nominate and install likely the next 3 on RKP5637 Apr 2016 #76

We need to take back Congress Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #259

David Brock puts that into serious question. reddread Apr 2016 #218

Absolute nonsense Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #260

Joe Biden seated Thomas reddread Apr 2016 #263

Here is the thing Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #264

that was a very bipartisan appointment reddread Apr 2016 #265

+1 Unicorn Apr 2016 #248

So where is everyone going? xynthee Apr 2016 #39

You may recognize some old friends here GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #57

Thanks! xynthee Apr 2016 #142

I PMed you nt riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #59

Thanks! I'll see you there! xynthee Apr 2016 #144

Also the Reddit Sanders group is good. lmbradford Apr 2016 #183

I'm out of here. stonecutter357 Apr 2016 #40

Thank-you for proving the OP's point, on ignore mrdmk Apr 2016 #242

" this posts has been hidden by a DU Jury" stonecutter357 Apr 2016 #243

Partisans who seek to divide progressives instead of uniting Hortensis Apr 2016 #42

You're right - the Hillary partisans ARE horrible for using racial politics to divide Democrats. Maedhros Apr 2016 #191

Hope you reconsider Armstead Apr 2016 #43

Oh boo-fucking-hoo... SidDithers Apr 2016 #47

This. nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #51

Jesus, I've never seen so many words from you! But right on! boston bean Apr 2016 #53

Tell it, Sid... Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #54

I think the term so many Bernie supporters have used this cycle is... wyldwolf Apr 2016 #56

Spot on. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #65

+1 betsuni Apr 2016 #71

Yep. joshcryer Apr 2016 #74

What flavor is the corporate teet this morning? Yurovsky Apr 2016 #77

Let's see where those "younger, more progressive Americans" are during the mid-term elections. Fla Dem Apr 2016 #126

"You are clearly on the wrong side of the trajectory of this party and this country." vintx Apr 2016 #133

Yes, it's sad that you and so many others ... Martin Eden Apr 2016 #81

They were sold the label that said "Pragmatist (TM) and they didn't realize it was Kool-Aid. nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #85

Exactly my assessment. These people are more afraid of being thought fools... for believing in the JudyM Apr 2016 #176

Nailed it. Bernie fans control this forum... JaneyVee Apr 2016 #86

Exactly! I just went through my Transparency page again to look at the alert stalking. R B Garr Apr 2016 #122

K&R COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #88

Exactly the victim card here is tough to take seriously treestar Apr 2016 #109

+1,000,000 nt Andy823 Apr 2016 #125

Thread win. n/t JTFrog Apr 2016 #157

Truth. Bobbie Jo Apr 2016 #184

Actually the real problem is a number of people were under the mistaken impression cstanleytech Apr 2016 #187

So pardon me if your warnings about karma fall on deaf ears. Karma is what you're seeing now Haveadream Apr 2016 #189

+1 Cali_Democrat Apr 2016 #201

Gonna have to give you a thumbs up for this one Dem2 Apr 2016 #214

Right on and righteous. !!! Nt seabeyond Apr 2016 #228

"Karma is what you're seeing now" Goddamn...TELL IT, Sid!! Number23 Apr 2016 #234

wow, one post and you managed to get all the nasties PaulaFarrell Apr 2016 #255

Nailed it CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #262

Keep up the good fight, the people are waking up. Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #50

Au revoir et bonne route Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #52

You're not alone Bonobo. I agree. riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #60

Yep. When you have alleged Democrats on DU arguing that we can't afford Medicare for All ... Scuba Apr 2016 #62

... LexVegas Apr 2016 #64

I feel much the same. 99Forever Apr 2016 #67

I, and others, predict an exodus from the party the day after HRH is nominated. DirtyHippyBastard Apr 2016 #210

well she still may get recommended for indictment. Cobalt Violet Apr 2016 #72

I'm hoping for an inditement, she earned it. Unicorn Apr 2016 #245

Democratic party as a whole has moved away from the people davidn3600 Apr 2016 #73

There are a lot more of us artislife Apr 2016 #161

You are stating your opinions about Hillary as if they were fact. YouDig Apr 2016 #75

lol pengu Apr 2016 #78

Thanks for taking the time to express your thoughts G_j Apr 2016 #82

Happy travels, friend. And you are absolutely right. It wasn't just Sanders who lost. It was the Doctor_J Apr 2016 #83

Your absence is going to leave... ReRe Apr 2016 #84

Don't go away mad alcibiades_mystery Apr 2016 #87

Just do it! n/t JTFrog Apr 2016 #158

Such a light. nt artislife Apr 2016 #163

You lament 'bashing of Progressives' then proceed to bash Progressives who disagree with you. randome Apr 2016 #89

Progressives are the ones that ummm, back Progressives. nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #91

As certified by the Bonobo label. You don't decide these things for us. The voters have. randome Apr 2016 #95

Exactly Andy823 Apr 2016 #127

they also rail against "authoritarianism" while keeping lists and "naming people" as neo cons and bettyellen Apr 2016 #212

Are you denying Hillary's neocon foreign policy?Are you denying her Goldman sachs and other bank think Apr 2016 #100

No response for this, of course. vintx Apr 2016 #136

If you supported Clinton, you are no progressive pengu Apr 2016 #102

The woman who voted > 93% of the time with Sanders? THAT Clinton? randome Apr 2016 #116

+1 betsuni Apr 2016 #119

Ridiculous, right? Further a couple of the votes they disagreed, she was MORE progressive than seabeyond Apr 2016 #143

Except for the killing part artislife Apr 2016 #165

2001 bankruptcy, patriot act, iraq pengu Apr 2016 #186

Great post, Bonobo. polly7 Apr 2016 #98

Respect to you Bono. Amimnoch Apr 2016 #103

I have been meaning to tell you for a long time,,,, Punkingal Apr 2016 #118

You have no idea how much that means to me. Amimnoch Apr 2016 #124

It is obvious that you try, and that is why I said it. Punkingal Apr 2016 #135

That was a very kind thing to say. Bonobo Apr 2016 #131

+1 quantass Apr 2016 #104

KNR. Great post. Karma, thine name is Comey. "And its comin' for ya," Hill. leveymg Apr 2016 #105

Be ready to stand with others if the political revolution evolves to reforming the election and stillwaiting Apr 2016 #106

Karma is "practically Newtonian" lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #110

"Arguing against election audits"? vintx Apr 2016 #140

Yeah, very sad. lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #145

They don't care. artislife Apr 2016 #162

as long as she wins, they don't n/t shanti Apr 2016 #207

I found LWolf Apr 2016 #111

+10,000 nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #114

Don't go though -- take a break of needed Armstead Apr 2016 #134

+1 to all of that vintx Apr 2016 #147

right? shanti Apr 2016 #208

It's not over. Don't give up so easily even before the convention! imagine2015 Apr 2016 #121

Holding one's nose to support a compromised candIdate induces cognitive dissonance. Orsino Apr 2016 #128

K&R vintx Apr 2016 #129

What do people expect when supporters of one candidate vociferously attack the other candidate? LonePirate Apr 2016 #130

Please don't leave. You are needed here. Punkingal Apr 2016 #138

They don't care. artislife Apr 2016 #146

HRC still needs 70% of the remaining delegates to get the nomination; it's not at all clear she can amborin Apr 2016 #148

It's not over, it's only just begun Bonobo, it will only get harder AuntPatsy Apr 2016 #151

I just got three requests to give to the DNC using Obama's name. bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #152

This message was self-deleted by its author betsuni Apr 2016 #154

See ya. n/t JTFrog Apr 2016 #156

Hate to burst your bubble JT but I believe he means his last post in GDP (though it wasn't), not his seaglass Apr 2016 #170

That's unfortunate, but JTFrog Apr 2016 #215

You're a shining example of the case in point. n/t 2banon Apr 2016 #239

Yea, you are so progressive that you think women should forget about breaking that JTFrog Apr 2016 #257

LOL, clueless as usual. Reread it. nt Logical Apr 2016 #224

There are a few moderate/centrists "bashers" of progressive ideas, however forjusticethunders Apr 2016 #159

Clinton will now have to rely on "lesser of two evils", "not as bad", marketing of her product. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #164

A hell of a branding statement, "I'm better than the next choice, so deal with it" mrdmk Apr 2016 #249

Maybe you shouldnt have attacked Clinton Eko Apr 2016 #166

JPR dana_b Apr 2016 #168

Sorry to see you go, Bonobo, but I certainly understand. democrank Apr 2016 #173

Yes, they will definitely get what they deserve. Zorra Apr 2016 #174

Good job! PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #175

Already had a long practice run after Bush was selected in 2000. Zorra Apr 2016 #185

Quitter Buzz cook Apr 2016 #179

Bonobo felix_numinous Apr 2016 #193

K&R ismnotwasm Apr 2016 #195

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Apr 2016 #199

Acceptance. Cali_Democrat Apr 2016 #200

Bloody hands. MuseRider Apr 2016 #204

Stay....just a little bit longer....... guillaumeb Apr 2016 #209

Can't blame you. It's like DU has turned into blood-red Republican Underground Triana Apr 2016 #211

excellent post. nt laundry_queen Apr 2016 #233

Same. Take care. 7wo7rees Apr 2016 #213

Take a Break...come back when things get "very interesting" down the road. KoKo Apr 2016 #217

Agreed. nt mhatrw Apr 2016 #222

I personally think Karma is bullshit and mostly invoked as a passive aggressive vindication Sheepshank Apr 2016 #223

You used the word vindication wrong. Bonobo Apr 2016 #225

There is no karma...lucky thing for so many asses on this planet Sheepshank Apr 2016 #227

This message was self-deleted by its author George II Apr 2016 #229

I think it's more important that a real liberal is leaving. Unicorn Apr 2016 #247

Bonobo - you can't go. I enjoy your posts too much. jillan Apr 2016 #232

This petition may be for you too then. :) northernsouthern Apr 2016 #251

Wow... wish I said that! It never ceases to amaze me that people on this board can actually BigBearJohn Apr 2016 #253

Good riddance. CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #261

Says a person who has been here a few months G_j May 2016 #272

Very well said Time for change May 2016 #268

Bonobo... Thank You! I Can't Post My Reply Right Now Because ChiciB1 May 2016 #269

catch ya on the flipside. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #273