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In reply to the discussion: I wasn't coming back to GD P but Skinner's post prompted me in a way to do so. [View all]Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)43. I have examined where Demoratic loyalties lie, you judge, I'll explain my position.
From my perspective, the party I joined thirty nine years ago was a party I believed in and so gave my loyalty, It was the party of The New Deal, The Great Society and at the time I joined also the party of civil liberty, equal rights and a war against poverty. I see a party in 2016 that is not that party. The question of my loyalty now becomes murky. I think my loyalty now only belongs to my class and because Bernie Sanders shares this loyalty to my class, I must support him every way possible.
So many in the party leadership and the party overall are comfortable and this place of comfort has made them cold to the reality that is daily life for a great many people.
They make many assumptions from ivory towers of middle class or wealth with little awareness it would seem of those that are lower middle class (quickly falling into poverty even tho they work harder with multiple McJobs than they did before lower middle class meant poverty).
As to the poor - they seem completely oblivious to them and convince themselves that welfare reform didn't harm anybody, I know Hill and Bill believe this, but it did and does to this day I assure you, it was not a pragmatic solution to a "welfare queen" problem handled well because a Democrat helped to all but destroy it. It will not be a brave pragmatic solution to "earned benefit queens" they will likely label SS beneficiaries, as they collude yet again with republicans to begin to shred these last vestiges of the new deal and great society.
They cause the poor to become poorer still while so many in the party applaud the politicians responsible. Their applause and support are what make them just as responsible as their political idols.
They think this is a game, or a sport with my team and their team, not realizing or caring that the ball that is tossed around in this sport is a child that only gets to eat at school and will soon lose that food, or the ball is an elderly widow or widower that can only afford to take their medicine every other day or maybe will freeze to death in a small flat during a winter they could not pay their gas bill (this happens ALREADY where I live).
There are many other balls tossed around for their sport and amusement, too many to list them all here, some are dead or dying, some are living under a tarp in a vacant lot hoping the cops don't roust them or the suburban teenagers don't decide to slum it and amuse themselves by assaulting them while laughing and taunting the "bum" for cell phone footage. Some of these comfortable people give advice to "the poor that in fact do OK" as a famous DLC Democrat once said. One of the Conservative DU posters once even suggested dumpster diving as a viable and reasonable option.
Too many of them applaud policies and politicians that make all these problems worse, they need to get it through their heads, many are dying and more will die of poverty, this is no game and the poor aren't doing OK, they are doing worse all the time with less help available all the time.
It is not serious, pragmatic, or brave to cause more people to suffer and die in poverty because it is referred to flippantly as "eating peas" or "being adult". It is not pragmatic even when the ones shipping away the jobs or destroying welfare "feel your pain". It never was bravery, but cowardice. It is not balanced when an increasing number of people fall into poverty and die while others become wealthier at an exponential rate.
The punditry, politicians, and comfortable may think it is a fun sport full of serious brave adults that make hard decisions.
Cowards all really, making easy decisions, easy because their decisions don't harm them, but rather the poor they barely acknowledge exist for the profit of the wealthy.
Sometimes they even have the gall to pat themselves on the back and reassure each other "the poor in fact do OK".
I feel very sincerely about these class and poverty issues, I give my loyalty completely to the forgotten, struggling and increasingly poor working classes that birthed me. You decide if that makes me disloyal to a party that has all but forgotten us save for donations and Pyrrhic election victories, because I will fight tooth and nail against any one of them or any elected Democrat that is harmful to my class, in other words harmful to most of America.
For these reasons and others, my loyalties now lie only with Bernie Sanders, politicians that share his views, and the revolution that is necessary if we are to fight and win against overwhelming odds, a fight I take on for my class, the very survival of countless people, and for a better future to leave behind for our younger generations.
So many in the party leadership and the party overall are comfortable and this place of comfort has made them cold to the reality that is daily life for a great many people.
They make many assumptions from ivory towers of middle class or wealth with little awareness it would seem of those that are lower middle class (quickly falling into poverty even tho they work harder with multiple McJobs than they did before lower middle class meant poverty).
As to the poor - they seem completely oblivious to them and convince themselves that welfare reform didn't harm anybody, I know Hill and Bill believe this, but it did and does to this day I assure you, it was not a pragmatic solution to a "welfare queen" problem handled well because a Democrat helped to all but destroy it. It will not be a brave pragmatic solution to "earned benefit queens" they will likely label SS beneficiaries, as they collude yet again with republicans to begin to shred these last vestiges of the new deal and great society.
They cause the poor to become poorer still while so many in the party applaud the politicians responsible. Their applause and support are what make them just as responsible as their political idols.
They think this is a game, or a sport with my team and their team, not realizing or caring that the ball that is tossed around in this sport is a child that only gets to eat at school and will soon lose that food, or the ball is an elderly widow or widower that can only afford to take their medicine every other day or maybe will freeze to death in a small flat during a winter they could not pay their gas bill (this happens ALREADY where I live).
There are many other balls tossed around for their sport and amusement, too many to list them all here, some are dead or dying, some are living under a tarp in a vacant lot hoping the cops don't roust them or the suburban teenagers don't decide to slum it and amuse themselves by assaulting them while laughing and taunting the "bum" for cell phone footage. Some of these comfortable people give advice to "the poor that in fact do OK" as a famous DLC Democrat once said. One of the Conservative DU posters once even suggested dumpster diving as a viable and reasonable option.
Too many of them applaud policies and politicians that make all these problems worse, they need to get it through their heads, many are dying and more will die of poverty, this is no game and the poor aren't doing OK, they are doing worse all the time with less help available all the time.
It is not serious, pragmatic, or brave to cause more people to suffer and die in poverty because it is referred to flippantly as "eating peas" or "being adult". It is not pragmatic even when the ones shipping away the jobs or destroying welfare "feel your pain". It never was bravery, but cowardice. It is not balanced when an increasing number of people fall into poverty and die while others become wealthier at an exponential rate.
The punditry, politicians, and comfortable may think it is a fun sport full of serious brave adults that make hard decisions.
Cowards all really, making easy decisions, easy because their decisions don't harm them, but rather the poor they barely acknowledge exist for the profit of the wealthy.
Sometimes they even have the gall to pat themselves on the back and reassure each other "the poor in fact do OK".
I feel very sincerely about these class and poverty issues, I give my loyalty completely to the forgotten, struggling and increasingly poor working classes that birthed me. You decide if that makes me disloyal to a party that has all but forgotten us save for donations and Pyrrhic election victories, because I will fight tooth and nail against any one of them or any elected Democrat that is harmful to my class, in other words harmful to most of America.
For these reasons and others, my loyalties now lie only with Bernie Sanders, politicians that share his views, and the revolution that is necessary if we are to fight and win against overwhelming odds, a fight I take on for my class, the very survival of countless people, and for a better future to leave behind for our younger generations.
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I wasn't coming back to GD P but Skinner's post prompted me in a way to do so. [View all]
mmonk
Apr 2016
OP
I don't trust David Brock's propaganda outlets. If he or his employees say it, I'm suspect.
aikoaiko
Apr 2016
#9
I can understand that. Brock is a loud-mouthed idiot and I wish someone would rein him in.
randome
Apr 2016
#11
Sure, but people like me think her use of the phrase is cynical given her relationship w Wall St
aikoaiko
Apr 2016
#16
And yet you cite his website, lending legitmacy rather than pulling the reins....
Bluenorthwest
Apr 2016
#19
Yeah, well, I didn't know that was his site. I'll remember that. But here's another.
randome
Apr 2016
#23
Yes, well Hillary lies. What she says and does are generally two different things.
cui bono
Apr 2016
#91
Sanders getting virtually nothing through Congress versus Clinton getting something done.
randome
Apr 2016
#24
I don't know. Neither do you. But she is a Progressive. That counts for something.
randome
Apr 2016
#60
All those things you mention paint a different picture than simply, "SHE'S EVIL!"
randome
Apr 2016
#85
LGBT rights? Clinton recently claimed Ronald Reagan was a hero of LGBT activism and the
Bluenorthwest
Apr 2016
#5
And yet she refused to make equal amends and she has not explained HOW she could
Bluenorthwest
Apr 2016
#21
I'm sorry you feel that way. I suspect that nothing she could say or do would ever be enough
Arkansas Granny
Apr 2016
#26
First of all, I did not attack you or pass judgment on you or blame you for anything.
Arkansas Granny
Apr 2016
#75
Everyone in Congress is rich. And for most of that 30 years, the GOP was in control or obstructing.
randome
Apr 2016
#30
Yes. The 2016 Democratic Party platform begins by addressing income inequality
LanternWaste
Apr 2016
#6
Do Democrats acknowledge income equality? "mutual respect and acknowledgement". If you do not
seabeyond
Apr 2016
#8
"Mutual respect and acknowledgment?" With stuff like this all over your journal?
IamMab
Apr 2016
#12
That all is total rhetoric. "I see", "I want", "Regulators neglected", "that's what happens",
rhett o rick
Apr 2016
#25
Didn't she tell us that Iraq had WMD and was harboring al qaeda. Can she be
rhett o rick
Apr 2016
#51
She is detached from reality. I spent my first 10 big earning years paying for things
Bluenorthwest
Apr 2016
#27
She was one of the people instrumental in moving the party to where it is so that is no excuse.
TheKentuckian
Apr 2016
#93
For being "not a fan" you sure sound like a fan. What statements? Do you have any
rhett o rick
Apr 2016
#29
What Hillary says is really just what Hillary feels, or is told, she needs to say, at any given
djean111
Apr 2016
#42
Why would you use a racist dog whistle? Why would you point out someone only has 164 posts?
cui bono
Apr 2016
#92
All they offer are insults. They're driving us off a cliff and calling us stupid...
onecaliberal
Apr 2016
#32
"Get back in your hole and pay some taxes because Hillary and her rich friends want a vay cay..."
CentralCoaster
Apr 2016
#41
I have examined where Demoratic loyalties lie, you judge, I'll explain my position.
Dragonfli
Apr 2016
#43
(added for clarity) If the Party Leaders (not the voters) had a favorite theme song it would be this
Dragonfli
Apr 2016
#46
Has anyone really ever known a time when there wasn't great income inequality? nt
Jitter65
Apr 2016
#54