2016 Postmortem

StevieM

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58. I don't think the military will be any more active under Clinton than it was under Obama.

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:18 AM

Apr 2016

I don't see means-testing of Social Security in the works. Fracking is already happening but Clinton will continue to build the renewable energy infrastructure. And she has said that she is against TPP, at least as it is currently written.

How is any of this different then President Obama? I fail to see why you think she will move the country to the right when there really isn't too much difference between them. It was the same way eight years ago. Clinton haters were convinced that she and Obama were as different as night and day, but I didn't actually hear this difference when Hillary and Barack talked about their policy positions.

One more thing. If Clinton is elected then we get Garland confirmed and Ginsberg and Breyer replaced by like-minded justices. That means that we can get Citizens United overturned. And perhaps we can overturn some of the voter suppression methods that the GOP has turned to.

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Supporting Clinton means you believe the country needs to move to the right [View all] Doctor_J Apr 2016 OP

No. Agschmid Apr 2016 #1

Yes mindwalker_i Apr 2016 #37

Apparently you don't understand the desperate fighting going on between rhett o rick Apr 2016 #47

Apparently you know nothing about me. Agschmid Apr 2016 #88

+1 Unicorn Apr 2016 #113

You are fighting for no one... Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #128

If you support Clinton then you are "allowing" Trump to win. Sanders is much stronger against rhett o rick Apr 2016 #137

Absolutely untrue Demsrule86 May 2016 #149

This is a class war and I will not support the Wealthy Class. rhett o rick May 2016 #153

I am sure Trump will care deeply Demsrule86 May 2016 #154

That's exactly why I support Sanders. He is our only hope. Goldman-Sachs cares as little about rhett o rick May 2016 #155

Hillary started working for children creeksneakers2 May 2016 #178

But she supports the growing wealth gap that is litterally killing children in poverty. rhett o rick May 2016 #186

She doesn't support a wealth gap creeksneakers2 May 2016 #191

read this Baobab May 2016 #198

Not only is her claimed role in SCHIP disputed, the fact is its backwards Baobab May 2016 #197

What death warrant? creeksneakers2 May 2016 #208

Under Standstill Baobab May 2016 #209

its discussed here, insurance is a financial service, when it globalizes the ACA will be rolled back Baobab May 2016 #210

#1 is a smoking gun. Its an outline of TiSA - declassified Baobab May 2016 #211

Protectionist have been spreading creeksneakers2 May 2016 #212

You're lying, and so is Hillary, its a global coup. Baobab May 2016 #213

I have a difficult time believing sweetapogee May 2016 #214

Wrong. nt salinsky Apr 2016 #2

Music Night: Utopia's Swing to the Right (A Ronald Reagan protest song) TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #138

This deal will definitey increase the wealth gap *here*. In fact, thats acknowledged by experts Baobab May 2016 #187

It's like you have a window into my own thoughts. Skinner Apr 2016 #3

Lol.nt sufrommich Apr 2016 #11

did you know this site has a corkhead Apr 2016 #52

there is a bigger picture here angrychair Apr 2016 #60

We know. ret5hd Apr 2016 #130

Do you really think she is philosophically to the left of Obama? And will goven that way? aikoaiko May 2016 #206

Yup. djean111 Apr 2016 #4

Refusing to vote for the lesser evil is what turned the country on the march to where we are today Frances Apr 2016 #18

You could not push Hillary left with the biggest bulldozer in the world. djean111 Apr 2016 #22

Since when do Democrats embrace Kissinger and Kagan,.... HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #32

Oh, I know.....obscene, isn't it. djean111 Apr 2016 #34

Then why do you come here Andy823 Apr 2016 #100

it's like Ginsburg and Scalia- what a horrible SCJ she is because they are friends- right? bettyellen May 2016 #164

She is already Left, needs no pushing. synergie Apr 2016 #78

GATS and its ilk are driving the last three Baobab May 2016 #188

News flash. .. Bernie beats Trump by a wider margin. libdem4life Apr 2016 #119

The conservative Democratic Establishment thanks you for buying their propaganda for full price. Maedhros May 2016 #183

while she claimed to be fighting for affordable healthcare, they were actually starting a waragainst Baobab May 2016 #199

Hillary doesn't have to win....she just is winning. Nobody said she had to. StevieM Apr 2016 #27

The thing is, it all comes down to, for me - if a Democrat is for war and fracking and the TPP and djean111 Apr 2016 #29

Congratulations Frances Apr 2016 #45

Back at you That Guy 888 Apr 2016 #71

This ^ Newkularblue Apr 2016 #111

+1000 nt NorthCarolina May 2016 #151

I don't think the military will be any more active under Clinton than it was under Obama. StevieM Apr 2016 #58

How is she different than Obama? One word: Libya! mm floriduck Apr 2016 #62

First of all, Hillary traveled the world, shilling for the TPP, and praised it in her most recent djean111 Apr 2016 #70

Secret trade pact to vastly increase fracking, irreversibly, block local law+export it till its gone Baobab May 2016 #202

Holy shit, if your a purist I must be Jesus Fucking Christ! Phlem Apr 2016 #63

Then why do you support Bernie? He is for war, for fracking, for dumping synergie Apr 2016 #79

Two of most HATED people in the country are front runners to be president Rebkeh Apr 2016 #56

No. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #5

:-D ucrdem Apr 2016 #12

That doesn't make any sense BlindTiresias Apr 2016 #124

That's the point. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #125

But the difference is exactly what defines the creature. BlindTiresias Apr 2016 #136

Nothing ... dawg Apr 2016 #6

It's more of a "little change needed" option. Orsino Apr 2016 #7

No. ucrdem Apr 2016 #8

purity uponit7771 Apr 2016 #9

Actually it's the exact opposite of purity Doctor_J Apr 2016 #17

sanctimonious? uponit7771 Apr 2016 #20

Bullshit? Beowulf Apr 2016 #38

I voted Sanders to move WH left of Obama. I see HRC as continuing Obama, and I'd rather blm Apr 2016 #10

The key necessary for either Democratic candidate LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #25

So, eight more years of nothing getting done is enough for you. Dawgs Apr 2016 #41

Horsepoo. GOTFV if you demand MORE to be done. If you want to complain and blm Apr 2016 #46

You're right. It's my fault the party has moved to the right of Nixon. Dawgs Apr 2016 #69

You certainly felt comfortable to be accusatory of me, though, didntcha? blm Apr 2016 #72

My problem was not with your accusation. n/t Dawgs Apr 2016 #74

"Eight more years of nothing getting done is enough for you" you accused. blm Apr 2016 #75

Again. I don't have a problem with YOUR accusation. n/t Dawgs Apr 2016 #77

Yes! Turin_C3PO Apr 2016 #116

There are more of us...some DU old-timers are waiting to come back here blm Apr 2016 #118

I'm with you guys too. I was thinking I was the only one on here. musicblind May 2016 #141

Heh - we could start a whole thread on your post. blm May 2016 #156

No. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #13

No, I believe climate change is upon us. For me its @ whose going to be most aggressively proactive riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #14

Hillary has a very good grasp on both what needs to be done AND BootinUp Apr 2016 #15

Um, she voted for Dubya's Iraq war. It cost us trillions and was the dumbest decision in decades. Dawgs Apr 2016 #44

Its a nice anti-hillary slogan BootinUp Apr 2016 #49

Great Argument. Dawgs Apr 2016 #68

And has supported 4-5 more military actions since then. Doctor_J Apr 2016 #114

So did Kerry Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #129

We didn't have a choice in 04 Doctor_J May 2016 #146

Yes we did. Demsrule86 May 2016 #147

I so sick of hearing about the "what is politically possible" canard. NorthCarolina May 2016 #152

Politically impossible is another way of saying to scared to fight for something. timmymoff May 2016 #159

No, its a way to understand Bernie's lackluster history in Congress. nt BootinUp May 2016 #160

yes, he really screwed up on the iraq war vote timmymoff May 2016 #163

I should have said Bernie AND the "progressive" wing's lack of achievements BootinUp May 2016 #166

A Hillary supporter claiming I am in a bubble is funny and tragic timmymoff May 2016 #167

The only thing the rightward shift of politics proves is that BootinUp May 2016 #169

principles aren't malleable timmymoff May 2016 #170

I will remind you that this is the not unlike Dubya's gut philosophy. Ideology is not good BootinUp May 2016 #171

you have to stand for something timmymoff May 2016 #173

Her voting score as a Senator is all an intelligent person needs, to know BootinUp May 2016 #174

yes again timmymoff May 2016 #175

. BootinUp May 2016 #176

protect the ones willing to alter it. timmymoff May 2016 #177

So 9/11 then? TM99 May 2016 #203

Um, no. Protection of gun manufacturers is one of the more right wing positions I can think of. nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #16

However, Annie Oakley just recently was campaining in rural PA as a devoted gunslinger Doctor_J Apr 2016 #23

I think that helping Bush invade Iraq is far more right wing. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #51

Serious stupidity. As long as gun manufacuting is legal, it is idiotic for them eridani Apr 2016 #120

When you're so far left, everything looks right Tarc Apr 2016 #19

Finally. Beowulf Apr 2016 #40

You do not consider Obama to be a progressive? musicblind May 2016 #142

He talks like a progressive Beowulf May 2016 #184

he's a former FIRE lawyer who has said he might have become a real estate developer in another life. Baobab May 2016 #189

Then I may have to petition the UN PowerToThePeople May 2016 #143

I don't see that as my choice. hamsterjill Apr 2016 #21

No. oasis Apr 2016 #24

You just don't know the secret plan. HassleCat Apr 2016 #26

Yes. I remember that's how the Obama years were set up Doctor_J Apr 2016 #33

Incorrect. I plan to vote for Hillary because she's likely to be the nominee Vogon_Glory Apr 2016 #28

Nope all american girl Apr 2016 #30

Wrong seabeyond Apr 2016 #31

Without Question. /nt Dragonfli Apr 2016 #35

I don't think supporting Clinton means you want the country to move to the right. StevieM Apr 2016 #36

I don't see how ANYONE can claim Supreme Court isn't compelling enough reason blm Apr 2016 #42

The Democratic Party as a whole is interested in voting rights? Really? That Guy 888 Apr 2016 #85

Reader's Digest version of your reply to me: GOP can be trusted with Supreme Court picks blm Apr 2016 #87

Ah the fear based false equivalency. If I don't worship Clinton I'm voting for Trump. That Guy 888 Apr 2016 #89

You're the one who chose to reply to my post on USSC picks. blm Apr 2016 #90

Deflection. That Guy 888 Apr 2016 #94

I'm a Sanders voter in NC. You still replied to my USSC comment hoping blm Apr 2016 #95

Usually people talking about the USSC are trying to force people to vote for Clinton That Guy 888 Apr 2016 #96

I work GOTV in NC - Every Sanders voter I know in NC is as deeply engaged blm Apr 2016 #97

Unfortunately past DNC leaders decided to kick back and let demographics do the work here in TX That Guy 888 Apr 2016 #99

Lack of trust. I expect little but corporate enablers who will prop up and legitimize TheKentuckian Apr 2016 #115

Nope. Not remotely. Yavin4 Apr 2016 #39

Depends on the issue and context Armstead Apr 2016 #43

If elected she likely has to honor this 20 year old promise, made behind the country's back. Baobab May 2016 #190

Yes I'm familiar with that.....It worries me that she'll pull a lot of crap like that Armstead May 2016 #192

GATS actually goes back to 1995 so its a done deal.. Baobab May 2016 #193

I wish the public was more aware of all that.... Armstead May 2016 #194

I just found this, read the bottom of page 7 Baobab May 2016 #196

Thanks..I'll check it out Armstead May 2016 #200

they've gotten worse Baobab May 2016 #207

... tammywammy Apr 2016 #48

US voters live in an insulated bubble, kept afloat by Koch/RW propaganda Triana Apr 2016 #50

If you believe Hillary is a Republican, than so is 85% of this country. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #53

Bernie calls himself a socialist creeksneakers2 May 2016 #179

Hillary calls herself a "Democrat" too Triana May 2016 #181

Hillary is a little to the left of elected Democrats creeksneakers2 May 2016 #182

I look at it as a vote to continue President Obama's policies. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #54

so,yes? wendylaroux Apr 2016 #104

so, no DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #106

don't go away wendylaroux Apr 2016 #107

Clinton is Obama with more war, more global warming more TPP and more Wall Street staffers. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #55

Utter nonsense. Bobbie Jo Apr 2016 #57

That's the situation in a nutshell. n/t Binkie The Clown Apr 2016 #59

Kicking a football means you like to play soccer. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #61

Exactly. Phlem Apr 2016 #64

Ayup. AzDar Apr 2016 #65

i think it's more like Clinton supporters are ok with LibDemAlways Apr 2016 #66

I don't think all or even most Clinton supporters want the country to move to the right. Beowulf Apr 2016 #67

The biggest fight of Bill Clinton's administration was when the Republicans tried to raise StevieM Apr 2016 #73

As for abortion... ljm2002 Apr 2016 #84

Why do I think that? Beowulf Apr 2016 #86

If HRC wins the nomination & GE, she'll spend the next 4 years... Yurovsky Apr 2016 #92

Please explain to me how you think the 1% got to be the underthematrix Apr 2016 #105

No, that us a false choice that a losing ca,Paige wishes you to believe, and it is the one that the synergie Apr 2016 #76

Clinton doesn't have any progressive goals, so achieving progressive goals is unlikely Doctor_J Apr 2016 #108

Democrats are dominated and defined by fear. Maedhros Apr 2016 #80

The Left vs Right conflict is nothing new on DU. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #81

No. That's basically an allegation (by its very definition). LanternWaste Apr 2016 #82

That IS the basic choice. Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #83

"Supporting Sanders means you believe the country needs to move to the left. " rock Apr 2016 #91

Nope. ismnotwasm Apr 2016 #93

Supporting Clinton means a govt that works for the 1% is okay with you. Skwmom Apr 2016 #98

In the GE supporting her means you are not insane. Actor Apr 2016 #101

and in the primary it sure as hell means you are wendylaroux Apr 2016 #103

The op was about the choice between Sanders and Clinton Doctor_J Apr 2016 #110

LOL Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #102

Yes. Basically. And/or for a great many of her devotees.... Smarmie Doofus Apr 2016 #109

Yep, you got it. Unicorn Apr 2016 #112

But I though it meant I was a racist oligarch? Whoa... Squinch Apr 2016 #117

racist ? JI7 May 2016 #204

How far to the "left" do you want to go? Would you vote for someone more "left" than Bernie? Sancho Apr 2016 #121

Did you reply to the wrong post? Doctor_J Apr 2016 #123

way to the right, to the right of Nixon, and much further amborin Apr 2016 #122

Really? I've changed my mind now!! Lil Missy Apr 2016 #126

Yes. Social programs will go first. emsimon33 Apr 2016 #127

From my perspective yes. The Corporate State solidifying vs. The Constitution- We, The silvershadow Apr 2016 #131

I'm with Hillary, she has the best agenda, she is a progressive who gets things done, Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #132

I know where the country is right now. Clinton wants to move it to the right Doctor_J Apr 2016 #134

Much less proven it, I did not make the statement, it is not on me to prove anything. We do not Thinkingabout May 2016 #139

It means we need to make progress, and yelling at the sky is not progress. Hoyt Apr 2016 #133

Read reply 71 for a prescient view of the "progress" Hillary and Ryan will make Doctor_J Apr 2016 #135

No. That is not correct. musicblind May 2016 #140

I respectfully disagree Doctor_J. lovemydog May 2016 #144

So you believe we should move left, but think impossible, so you're voting for Clinton Doctor_J May 2016 #145

That's not what I said. lovemydog May 2016 #157

when did you decide that rudely mischaracterizing what people say was a good tack to take? bettyellen May 2016 #162

No, you are very very wrong Sheepshank May 2016 #148

There is another way to put it: Betty Karlson May 2016 #150

No it doesn't anigbrowl May 2016 #158

Nope. It means your idea of "left" excluded me in favor of $$$. bettyellen May 2016 #161

To be fair, it seems like that's what "you" believe. PragmaticLiberal May 2016 #165

Of course they don't believe that Doctor_J May 2016 #172

Nope, wrong way around... brooklynite May 2016 #168

You're not correct JohnnyRingo May 2016 #180

Only if you like things simple and divisive. Rex May 2016 #185

I agree, but I would change the word country to Democratic Party. B Calm May 2016 #195

. RandySF May 2016 #201

Bullshit Dem2 May 2016 #205