Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

JSup

(740 posts)
115. I address this in another thread
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 02:50 PM
Apr 2016

Things I hadn't quoted yet:

I decided to do a bit of reporting, and I ended up chasing this Facebook meme down a rabbit-hole of misinformation and conspiracism. It offers a pretty good case-study of how bullshit can come to dominate our online discourse.

The meme was created by Lee Camp, a political comedian who hosts a weekly show on RT, the Russian foreign news network. It has over 2,000 shares on Facebook as of this writing.

Via email, I asked Camp for his source, and he pointed me to a post on Reddit by a user who goes by the handle “turn-trout.” Turn-trout, who didn’t respond to a message seeking comment, claims that these are unadjusted exit polls, and links to a spreadsheet purportedly showing wide discrepancies between the raw data and the final results.

The spreadsheet was created by Richard Charnin, who writes a blog devoted to “JFK conspiracy and systemic election fraud analysis.” Charnin’s spreadsheet appears to be the basis of a broad swath of viral Internet content alleging widespread election theft during the 2016 primaries, including the work of Free Press editors Harvey Wasserman and Bob Fitrakis. Charnin seems to think that exit polls can reveal that virtually all our elections have been rigged, writing, “in the 1988-2008 presidential elections, the Democrats won the exit polls by 52-42%; they won the recorded vote by just 48-46%, an 8% discrepancy.”


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1865485

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Wow, lets just pull a number out of our ass, make a fabricated accusation and present it as fact. seabeyond Apr 2016 #1
Yeah, it's not like the article includes any data jeff47 Apr 2016 #21
99.9% bullshit seabeyond Apr 2016 #25
Again, you can dislike the claim all you want. jeff47 Apr 2016 #99
"99.9% certain electoral fraud was committed for Hillary Clinton" Bullshit seabeyond Apr 2016 #105
Kind of like when the coloreds would blame discrimination at the voting booth when they LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #148
No. Not kinda like. seabeyond Apr 2016 #149
Post #83 explains why this whole line of reasoning doesnt stand up. nt stevenleser Apr 2016 #90
Except those reasons don't apply to the subject at hand. jeff47 Apr 2016 #98
We expect the Rich and Powerful to use their massive wealth to lie cheat and steal. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #29
You say lie and steal and we call bullshit. seabeyond Apr 2016 #103
The Rich and Powerful that you align with don't like to lose. But you know that. That's rhett o rick Apr 2016 #108
But that doesn't include Ben and Jerry's...right? Sheepshank Apr 2016 #117
The exception proves the rule. But I agree not all Rich People are evil rhett o rick Apr 2016 #118
I am hardly a cheerperson for the wealthy but i would say that only a small number Baobab Apr 2016 #139
I agree that there will be less and less need for workers. So what then, soylent green. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #155
"Rich and Powerful that you align with" More Bullshit. You do NOT get to define me. seabeyond Apr 2016 #143
And we call your bullshit bullshit. bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #128
You haven't said anything but throw out names at people defining them. I get to say, no. seabeyond Apr 2016 #144
So you attack him instead of the facts? scscholar Apr 2016 #58
See post #83 and educate yourself on the subject. This info is readily out there. nt stevenleser Apr 2016 #91
seabeyond, you're a riot! rock Apr 2016 #82
Ok. You know what? seabeyond Apr 2016 #145
I believe you've hit it right on the head rock Apr 2016 #150
Bingo!!!!! tonyt53 Apr 2016 #151
I pretend to vote anymore nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #2
i've been trying to think of it mooseprime Apr 2016 #10
It is treated that way nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #104
"Demockery" n/t Aerows Apr 2016 #154
+1 Phlem Apr 2016 #78
Or you just lost because Sanders didn't receive enough votes. Sour grapes. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #3
This response isn't constructive ThirdWayToTheHighway Apr 2016 #48
no, the points were peppered with falsehoods. Not "valid" in this manner. Sheepshank Apr 2016 #119
LOL Chuck is reading your groups posts...he used "sour grapes today or yesterday" LOL bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #130
I absentee voted...I don't show up in exit polls all american girl Apr 2016 #4
Are you claiming Republicans didn't? jeff47 Apr 2016 #18
No, just stating a fact, that's all...I know nothing about the republican exit polls all american girl Apr 2016 #22
Hmm...if only there was an article in the OP that talked about them. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2016 #23
Sorry, didn't see it...could you point me in the correct direction. all american girl Apr 2016 #24
See post #83 below before you read anything else. nt stevenleser Apr 2016 #92
. Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #102
However your fact adds nothing to the actual math of comparing the exit polls. Unicorn Apr 2016 #106
incorrect. All properly conducted exit polls take absentee ballots into account. Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #27
99.9% huh? lol YouDig Apr 2016 #5
Let the Rove sized Ohio meltdowns begin .... n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #6
These type of post are scary uponit7771 Apr 2016 #7
3 million more votes and 300 more delegates. Enough said! leftofcool Apr 2016 #8
NOT Enough said. dchill Apr 2016 #13
Election fraud! Election fraud! Rethugs have been harping on this for years! leftofcool Apr 2016 #31
No. Republicans harp on VOTER fraud. But you knew that. dchill Apr 2016 #34
Your last sentence says it all. bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #132
Unfortunately. dchill Apr 2016 #133
It will be ironic when they change their tune in the General after the Republican cheating machine Dustlawyer Apr 2016 #9
We're well aware of the issue, have for years. Blaming Clinton, falsely accusing her is Bullshit. seabeyond Apr 2016 #17
Glad that you have investigated each allegation and made Dustlawyer Apr 2016 #135
Some cheating machines are better than others. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2016 #20
Much as some unsupported allegations are more irrational than others. LanternWaste Apr 2016 #84
TPTB don't need or want to put Trump or Cruz in office rather than Clinton. snot Apr 2016 #37
Guy With Blog Can't Accept That His Guy Is Losing. sufrommich Apr 2016 #11
Careful or Guy-With-Blog will write a story about YOU! randome Apr 2016 #42
And what does that have to do about the actual substance of what he said? Unicorn Apr 2016 #109
It's called a lame conspiracy theory reported as fact. nt sufrommich Apr 2016 #113
Sure, those exit polls also included independents that weren't eligible to vote. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #12
Uh...an exit poll is taken as people leave the polls. jeff47 Apr 2016 #19
Exit polls arent real. They gave huge sample bias. JaneyVee Apr 2016 #39
Oh really? ThirdWayToTheHighway Apr 2016 #49
How about because Independents are largely voting for the Democratic Party? randome Apr 2016 #53
Please, get a a source for that ThirdWayToTheHighway Apr 2016 #56
It's just a supposition on my part. randome Apr 2016 #64
Interesting leaps we're making when each new point of yours crumbles ThirdWayToTheHighway Apr 2016 #79
I can't prove a negative, no. randome Apr 2016 #120
Your point is valid. Problem for me is the history of fraud in elections goes waaaay back. snowy owl Apr 2016 #131
It was the case in New York, where a GOPer was fired for kicking 125,000 voters off the rolls. randome Apr 2016 #152
Source? Unicorn Apr 2016 #111
I have just as much evidence for my opinion as anyone does who thinks exit polling is reliable. randome Apr 2016 #121
Here: JaneyVee Apr 2016 #55
Unfortunately you're still somehow missing the point ThirdWayToTheHighway Apr 2016 #62
Also, Quora? samson212 Apr 2016 #73
Then it would be impossible for the exit polls of Republicans to be accurate. jeff47 Apr 2016 #50
Exit polls were pretty close last Super Tuesday. JaneyVee Apr 2016 #54
Do you believe exit polls only measure the "winner"? jeff47 Apr 2016 #57
Yes it should happen. JaneyVee Apr 2016 #63
Do you understand the concept of "margin of error"? jeff47 Apr 2016 #65
Exit polls arent real. They are invalid and have huge sample bias. JaneyVee Apr 2016 #69
Do you really believe that? samson212 Apr 2016 #75
Let us recall ThirdWayToTheHighway Apr 2016 #66
I can only guess your nick is liberalfighter because you fight liberals. Unicorn Apr 2016 #124
The most troubling aspect of our political process is that there are literally millions of Baitball Blogger Apr 2016 #14
ain't that crazy, tho? sheep all layered up to defraud the public yourpaljoey Apr 2016 #26
"Millions of little minions". Is that like binders full of women? randome Apr 2016 #43
Reality bites. Baitball Blogger Apr 2016 #97
We all lose by their unethical actions. I don't like Trump but I wouldn't ignore election Unicorn Apr 2016 #114
Seriously. Anyone who is not willing to accept that corruption moves Baitball Blogger Apr 2016 #116
Hillary has been the almost sure winner since before any vote was cast based on BootinUp Apr 2016 #15
Before the first vote was cast in Iowa, Hillary had a 500 super delegate lead. B Calm Apr 2016 #16
Yes she did. Super delegates chose her over Bernie and still do. leftofcool Apr 2016 #32
Not anymore. byyiminy Apr 2016 #123
Um...... apcalc Apr 2016 #129
Got some sad news for ya tonyt53 Apr 2016 #28
You're assuming there was no fraud samson212 Apr 2016 #61
WTF? Did you read the article, or are you trying to equal 20score Apr 2016 #96
Sour Grapes Lil Missy Apr 2016 #30
No election disparties shown with FACTS. Deal with it. Unicorn Apr 2016 #112
it's not the Hillary supporters that are having trouble dealing with facts Lil Missy Apr 2016 #146
This is ridiculous, wishful thinking. Here's an explanation...Sanders voters writes3000 Apr 2016 #33
It's that simple then? ThirdWayToTheHighway Apr 2016 #52
She sure as hell can't win on policy. Scuba Apr 2016 #35
And she knows it. That's why they spent a million buying troll support AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #36
Exit polls arent real. They are invalid and have huge sample bias. JaneyVee Apr 2016 #38
Why do you keep saying this? WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE??? nt samson212 Apr 2016 #76
See post #83, this has been posted here on DU dozens of times over the years. stevenleser Apr 2016 #89
Jury Results Blue_Adept Apr 2016 #40
It must be investigated -- if America still stands for democracy. senz Apr 2016 #41
Here's an analysis of exit polling in the NY Dem primary -- senz Apr 2016 #44
This bullshit again. From another Guy-With-Blog. randome Apr 2016 #46
Here, this one is its own webpage -- a collection of dirty deeds from 2016 Dem primaries senz Apr 2016 #47
If you're talking about the link in post #45, it's just more of the same. randome Apr 2016 #51
And then, of course, we have state authorities calling for investigations. senz Apr 2016 #60
Damned straight. And the person responsible for that was ousted, I believe. randome Apr 2016 #67
There are other state investigations and you know it. senz Apr 2016 #70
Another good site that includes the above exit polling study -- senz Apr 2016 #45
Great work felix_numinous Apr 2016 #59
How have past D primary exit polls been? nemo137 Apr 2016 #68
Will these conspiracy theories never stop? nolawarlock Apr 2016 #71
"Someone already ate the finch". randome Apr 2016 #72
Thanks! nolawarlock Apr 2016 #74
When I saw the title of the OP, I thought the OP would actually present some evidence. athena Apr 2016 #77
NO, they havent always been. Exit polls were always quite accurate until the stolen election Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #80
You didn't read the article, did you? athena Apr 2016 #94
I don't think any one person can prove or disprove it. Every state is different. Unicorn Apr 2016 #126
You should pass this on to Bernie Sanders...I'm sure he'll leap right on it, right? brooklynite Apr 2016 #81
Nate Silver: Ten Reasons Why You Should Ignore Exit Polls brooklynite Apr 2016 #83
a very relevant and informative post. Thanks. BootinUp Apr 2016 #86
+1 mcar Apr 2016 #93
Except if these was the explanation, it would be happening to both parties. jeff47 Apr 2016 #100
Not necessarily. Adrahil Apr 2016 #142
#2 could be because their is consistently election fraud favoring Republicans Baobab Apr 2016 #137
What a joke workinclasszero Apr 2016 #85
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #87
That was the worst evidence, proving a point of view I have ever seen. 20score Apr 2016 #107
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #122
If those vote machines are coded to flip votes to the opposite percentages yes it is possible bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #136
That was a truly moronic statement, on so many levels. 20score Apr 2016 #138
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #156
So whoever cheats more, Hillary or the Republicans, wins the prize. DamnYankeeInHouston Apr 2016 #88
I would like an explanation why how suddenly since computer voting machines exit polls are now off! EndElectoral Apr 2016 #95
Caucasus have to go too fun n serious Apr 2016 #101
This message was self-deleted by its author Unicorn Apr 2016 #125
Open primary's need to come. Unicorn Apr 2016 #127
Completely wrong jamese777 Apr 2016 #140
I'm pretty sure this is first election ever that exit polls have been off like in Michigan Sheepshank Apr 2016 #110
I address this in another thread JSup Apr 2016 #115
Shows you can make a case for anything. Creativity abounds. snowy owl Apr 2016 #134
Sure, whatever gets you through the day. Beacool Apr 2016 #141
Hillary drew much of her support from older voters who were much more likely to vote absentee. pnwmom Apr 2016 #147
People over 50 vote reliably tonyt53 Apr 2016 #153
Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»Why it is 99.9% certain e...»Reply #115