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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Why it is 99.9% certain electoral fraud was committed for Hillary Clinton [View all]JSup
(740 posts)115. I address this in another thread
Things I hadn't quoted yet:
I decided to do a bit of reporting, and I ended up chasing this Facebook meme down a rabbit-hole of misinformation and conspiracism. It offers a pretty good case-study of how bullshit can come to dominate our online discourse.
The meme was created by Lee Camp, a political comedian who hosts a weekly show on RT, the Russian foreign news network. It has over 2,000 shares on Facebook as of this writing.
Via email, I asked Camp for his source, and he pointed me to a post on Reddit by a user who goes by the handle turn-trout. Turn-trout, who didnt respond to a message seeking comment, claims that these are unadjusted exit polls, and links to a spreadsheet purportedly showing wide discrepancies between the raw data and the final results.
The spreadsheet was created by Richard Charnin, who writes a blog devoted to JFK conspiracy and systemic election fraud analysis. Charnins spreadsheet appears to be the basis of a broad swath of viral Internet content alleging widespread election theft during the 2016 primaries, including the work of Free Press editors Harvey Wasserman and Bob Fitrakis. Charnin seems to think that exit polls can reveal that virtually all our elections have been rigged, writing, in the 1988-2008 presidential elections, the Democrats won the exit polls by 52-42%; they won the recorded vote by just 48-46%, an 8% discrepancy.
The meme was created by Lee Camp, a political comedian who hosts a weekly show on RT, the Russian foreign news network. It has over 2,000 shares on Facebook as of this writing.
Via email, I asked Camp for his source, and he pointed me to a post on Reddit by a user who goes by the handle turn-trout. Turn-trout, who didnt respond to a message seeking comment, claims that these are unadjusted exit polls, and links to a spreadsheet purportedly showing wide discrepancies between the raw data and the final results.
The spreadsheet was created by Richard Charnin, who writes a blog devoted to JFK conspiracy and systemic election fraud analysis. Charnins spreadsheet appears to be the basis of a broad swath of viral Internet content alleging widespread election theft during the 2016 primaries, including the work of Free Press editors Harvey Wasserman and Bob Fitrakis. Charnin seems to think that exit polls can reveal that virtually all our elections have been rigged, writing, in the 1988-2008 presidential elections, the Democrats won the exit polls by 52-42%; they won the recorded vote by just 48-46%, an 8% discrepancy.
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Why it is 99.9% certain electoral fraud was committed for Hillary Clinton [View all]
TalkingDog
Apr 2016
OP
Wow, lets just pull a number out of our ass, make a fabricated accusation and present it as fact.
seabeyond
Apr 2016
#1
Kind of like when the coloreds would blame discrimination at the voting booth when they
LiberalArkie
Apr 2016
#148
We expect the Rich and Powerful to use their massive wealth to lie cheat and steal.
rhett o rick
Apr 2016
#29
The Rich and Powerful that you align with don't like to lose. But you know that. That's
rhett o rick
Apr 2016
#108
I am hardly a cheerperson for the wealthy but i would say that only a small number
Baobab
Apr 2016
#139
I agree that there will be less and less need for workers. So what then, soylent green.
rhett o rick
Apr 2016
#155
"Rich and Powerful that you align with" More Bullshit. You do NOT get to define me.
seabeyond
Apr 2016
#143
You haven't said anything but throw out names at people defining them. I get to say, no.
seabeyond
Apr 2016
#144
See post #83 and educate yourself on the subject. This info is readily out there. nt
stevenleser
Apr 2016
#91
LOL Chuck is reading your groups posts...he used "sour grapes today or yesterday" LOL
bkkyosemite
Apr 2016
#130
No, just stating a fact, that's all...I know nothing about the republican exit polls
all american girl
Apr 2016
#22
However your fact adds nothing to the actual math of comparing the exit polls.
Unicorn
Apr 2016
#106
incorrect. All properly conducted exit polls take absentee ballots into account.
Kip Humphrey
Apr 2016
#27
Election fraud! Election fraud! Rethugs have been harping on this for years!
leftofcool
Apr 2016
#31
It will be ironic when they change their tune in the General after the Republican cheating machine
Dustlawyer
Apr 2016
#9
We're well aware of the issue, have for years. Blaming Clinton, falsely accusing her is Bullshit.
seabeyond
Apr 2016
#17
Sure, those exit polls also included independents that weren't eligible to vote.
LiberalFighter
Apr 2016
#12
Interesting leaps we're making when each new point of yours crumbles
ThirdWayToTheHighway
Apr 2016
#79
Your point is valid. Problem for me is the history of fraud in elections goes waaaay back.
snowy owl
Apr 2016
#131
It was the case in New York, where a GOPer was fired for kicking 125,000 voters off the rolls.
randome
Apr 2016
#152
I have just as much evidence for my opinion as anyone does who thinks exit polling is reliable.
randome
Apr 2016
#121
The most troubling aspect of our political process is that there are literally millions of
Baitball Blogger
Apr 2016
#14
We all lose by their unethical actions. I don't like Trump but I wouldn't ignore election
Unicorn
Apr 2016
#114
Hillary has been the almost sure winner since before any vote was cast based on
BootinUp
Apr 2016
#15
This is ridiculous, wishful thinking. Here's an explanation...Sanders voters
writes3000
Apr 2016
#33
See post #83, this has been posted here on DU dozens of times over the years.
stevenleser
Apr 2016
#89
Here, this one is its own webpage -- a collection of dirty deeds from 2016 Dem primaries
senz
Apr 2016
#47
When I saw the title of the OP, I thought the OP would actually present some evidence.
athena
Apr 2016
#77
NO, they havent always been. Exit polls were always quite accurate until the stolen election
Jackie Wilson Said
Apr 2016
#80
I don't think any one person can prove or disprove it. Every state is different.
Unicorn
Apr 2016
#126
You should pass this on to Bernie Sanders...I'm sure he'll leap right on it, right?
brooklynite
Apr 2016
#81
If those vote machines are coded to flip votes to the opposite percentages yes it is possible
bkkyosemite
Apr 2016
#136
So whoever cheats more, Hillary or the Republicans, wins the prize.
DamnYankeeInHouston
Apr 2016
#88
I would like an explanation why how suddenly since computer voting machines exit polls are now off!
EndElectoral
Apr 2016
#95
I'm pretty sure this is first election ever that exit polls have been off like in Michigan
Sheepshank
Apr 2016
#110