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2016 Postmortem

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cui bono

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Fri Apr 29, 2016, 01:56 PM Apr 2016

Heads Up: Beware of any "Democrat" still supporting a corporate candidate [View all]

They are attempting to stop the people's movement to take big money out of politics so that our leaders are not beholden to corporations such as Goldman-Sachs. They are in the way of the people's movement for equality for all, for economic fairness/justice and for the right to have a decent life in this country. They are in the way of single-payer health care because they are backing a candidate who is beholden to the health industry.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Democratic_Leadership_Council

The Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) was co-founded in 1985 by Will Marshall, who served as its first Policy Director and who is the founder and President of DLC's think tank, the Progressive Policy Institute. DLC counts among its past chairs former President Bill Clinton, Congressman Richard Gephardt, and Senator Joseph I. Lieberman. [1] Current chairman is Senator Harold Ford.

Funding

An August, 2000 Newsweek story on Joe Liebermn, The Soul And The Steel[1] reveals that some of the early funding came from ARCO, Chevron, Merck, Du Pont, Microsoft, Philip Morris and Koch Industries:

His selection may also complicate Gore's efforts to depict Bush as a patsy for big business. Since 1995 Lieberman has chaired the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), the centrist think tank that eschews liberal dogma and promotes market-oriented approaches to policy. Like many similar groups, the DLC (of which Gore is a founding member) has never disclosed its funding sources. But last week, in response to requests from NEWSWEEK, it turned over a list of top donors. If Gore still hopes to score populist points by bashing Big Oil and pharmaceutical companies that oppose his plan to add a prescription-drug entitlement to Medicare, he may have some explaining to do. Among the DLC's biggest benefactors last year (contributions of between $50,000 and $100,000) were ARCO, Chevron and the drug giant Merck. Other big underwriters include Du Pont, Microsoft and Philip Morris (which has kicked in $500,000 since Lieberman became DLC chairman). There is no evidence that the DLC has trimmed policies to accommodate its patrons, but some contributors say the money has helped ensure an open door to Lieberman. "We've been able to have a dialogue with the senator and his staff," said Jay Rosser, spokesman for another DLC benefactor, Koch Industries, an oil-pipeline firm that is also a big GOP donor.
http://www.newsweek.com/soul-and-steel-158731?piano_d=1



Hillary Clinton's Ghosts: A Legacy of Pushing the Democratic Party to the Right

But the party's latest generation of "New Democrats" - self-described "moderates" who are funded by Wall Street and are aggressively trying to steer the party to the right - have noticed this trend and are now fighting back. Third Way, a "centrist" think tank that serves as the hub for contemporary New Democrats, has recently published a sizable policy paper, "Ready for the New Economy," urging the Democratic Party to avoid focusing on economic inequality. Former Obama chief of staff Bill Daley, a Third Way trustee, recently argued that Sanders' influence on the primary "is a recipe for disaster" for Democrats.

This "ideological gulf" inside the party, as The Washington Post's Ruth Marcus describes it, is not a new phenomenon. Before there was Third Way, there was the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC). And before there was Bill Daley, there was Hillary Clinton - a key member of the DLC's leadership team during her entire tenure in the US Senate (2000-2008). As Clinton seeks progressive support, it is important to consider her role in the influential movement to, as The American Prospect describes it, "reinvent the [Democratic] party as one pledged to fiscal restraint, less government, and a pro-business, pro-free market outlook." This fairly recent history is an important part of Clinton's record, and she owes it to primary voters to answer for it.

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When Bill Clinton left the White House, Hillary Clinton entered the Senate. She quickly became a major player for the DLC, serving as a prominent member of the New Democratic Caucus in the Senate, speaking at conferences on multiple occasions and serving as chair of a key initiative for the 2006 and 2008 elections.

She was even promoted as the DLC's "New Dem of the Week" on its website. (It would be remiss not to note that Martin O'Malley also served as a "New Dem of the Week," and even co-wrote an op-ed on behalf of the DLC with its then-chair, Harold Ford Jr.)
New Democrats were never really about popular support; they were about bringing together big business and the Democrats.

More importantly, Clinton adopted the DLC strategy in the way she governed. She tried to portray herself as a crusader for family values when she introduced legislation to ban violent video games and flag burning in 2005. She also adopted the DLC's hawkish military stance. The DLC was feverishly in favor of Bush's "war on terror" and his invasion of Iraq. Will Marshall, one of the group's founders, was a signatory of many of the now infamous documents from the Project for the New American Century, which urged the United States to radically increase its use of force in Iraq and beyond.

The DLC led efforts to take down Howard Dean's 2004 presidential campaign, citing his opposition to the war in Iraq as an example of his weakness. Two years later, the organization played a similar role against Ned Lamont's antiwar challenge to Sen. Joe Lieberman, which the DLC decried as "The Return of Liberal Fundamentalism."

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/33869-hillary-clinton-s-ghosts-a-legacy-of-pushing-the-democratic-party-to-the-right




Hillary Clinton’s Single-Payer Pivot Greased By Millions in Industry Speech Fees

Hillary Clinton’s sudden attack on Bernie Sanders’ single-payer health care plan is a dramatic break with Democratic Party doctrine that the problem with single-payer is that it is politically implausible — not that it is a bad idea.

...

That was certainly Clinton’s position back in the early 1990s, when she was developing her doomed universal coverage proposal for her husband, Bill.

But in the ensuing years, both Clintons have taken millions of dollars in speaking fees from the health care industry. According to public disclosures, Hillary Clinton alone, from 2013 to 2015, made $2,847,000 from 13 paid speeches to the industry.



https://theintercept.com/2016/01/13/hillary-clinton-single-payer/


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Kick! kgnu_fan Apr 2016 #1
Heads Up: Beware of any "Democrat" still claiming this is a nothingburger. CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #124
Heads Up: Beware of any "Democrat" still posting this crap. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #2
Yeah, so terrible of us trying to bring the party back from the center-right. cui bono Apr 2016 #3
And how is your advocating for not supporting the ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #10
Might be the harsh shock the party needs. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #12
"We had to burn the village to save the village!" 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #17
A loss in a presidential election doesn't burn down the party, though. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #20
We had 8 years of Bush. If THAT didn't get people motivated to get rid of the assholes, nothing kerry-is-my-prez Apr 2016 #106
The problem with the SCOTUS argument... Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #107
The current POTUS already has one lined up nolabels May 2016 #167
It's a lose-lose IMHO... Yurovsky May 2016 #144
BushCheney wasn't a harsh enough shock? Good lord. Hekate Apr 2016 #127
You're expect one who helped take it right to bring it back again? Really? snowy owl Apr 2016 #13
Because a President trump will be so much more beneficial? Really? 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #18
When did he join the Democratic party, also who said he wanted to bring the party back left? Dragonfli Apr 2016 #22
Who do you suspect will be the Democratic nominee? ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #35
Who do I suspect will be the Democratic nominee? I'll let you know when the primary is over. Dragonfli Apr 2016 #47
Okay. (Not worth the typing). 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #48
Is there an emoji... Buddyblazon Apr 2016 #95
I don't know; but, if there is ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #99
I see you employed the ol' "I'm rubber... Buddyblazon Apr 2016 #100
I'm just playing down to the competition ... that's a political strategy, too. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #101
It seems you got lost then... Buddyblazon Apr 2016 #110
... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #112
We need a "shady" candidate to counter another "shady" candidate libdem4life Apr 2016 #57
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #65
Totally irrelevant to this conversation. libdem4life Apr 2016 #68
He will be as worst as Shillary, belonging to the same corporate corrupt class. insta8er Apr 2016 #62
Okay. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #67
You can't even admit the Dem Party is now center-right? Really? cui bono Apr 2016 #23
Because she is a corporate shill. Abundant proof of that..if you want to open your eyes. insta8er Apr 2016 #60
Okay. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #66
They have been heard mythology Apr 2016 #71
It boggles my mind that people think this was a fair primary where the people were presented cui bono Apr 2016 #72
Divisive social issues arikara Apr 2016 #105
Agreed. And HRC and her supporters started out of the gate with the false choice cui bono May 2016 #174
+1 obamanut2012 Apr 2016 #4
+1 lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #8
They just keep beating the same old, dead horse. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #37
No doubt. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #41
Yeah suck to lose, or right wing propaganda, or tin foil how about your candidate is a morally insta8er Apr 2016 #63
You actually used one of your valuable 425 posts on me? COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #92
Somehow you and a lot of others seem to equate seniority (on this site) to intelligence.. insta8er Apr 2016 #128
It would be funnier if I COLGATE4 May 2016 #145
You just did. insta8er May 2016 #148
The whoosing sound you heard was COLGATE4 May 2016 #164
A grammar/spelling naz. as well eh? :) you are funny..you should do standup! let me know insta8er May 2016 #168
You couldn't afford it. COLGATE4 May 2016 #169
I'll move heaven and earth to make it happen, would not want to miss it. insta8er May 2016 #171
Your post illustrates exactly what Hillary supporters do not understand about this primary. cui bono May 2016 #142
Pesky little things, facts and figures..I know, it's just is so inconvenient. insta8er Apr 2016 #59
Heads Up: Beware of any "Democrats" that post childish one line insult replies to... northernsouthern Apr 2016 #76
Whoa ... bern!!!! You, certainly, told me! 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #98
Yeah they did, actually. BlindTiresias Apr 2016 #135
It's disgusting what's happened to the party.. mcranor Apr 2016 #111
Do you hear yourself? ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #114
The shape the party has taken. mcranor Apr 2016 #125
Yup. Agschmid Apr 2016 #126
K&R ... Trajan Apr 2016 #5
Yes ... Complete with our own facsimiles of the tea-party. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #11
by design - New Democrats, The DLC and the Third Way Dragonfli Apr 2016 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author potisok Apr 2016 #6
Vilianizing capitalism and success doesn't over the American voting public beachbumbob Apr 2016 #7
I'm over 45 and I vote. lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #9
That's called greed when you want it only for yourself. Wow. That's quite an admission. snowy owl Apr 2016 #14
That's what the essence of DLClinton boils down to... HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #45
Yeah, How dare someone want to be successful & earn a living. ELITIST!! grossproffit Apr 2016 #64
Simplistic understanding. We are not villainizing either -- we believe the fruits of that success JudyM Apr 2016 #15
Easy ... Trajan Apr 2016 #49
over 45 here... RazBerryBeret Apr 2016 #102
Typical Hillary supporter beedle Apr 2016 #138
Beware of any "Democrat" who has followers that attack John Lewis and Dolores Huerta. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #16
Beware of any "Democrat" that manipulates civil rights leaders to be her stooge by lying cui bono Apr 2016 #26
So John Lewis is now ... NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #53
Okay, then he did it of his own volition. cui bono Apr 2016 #73
And if he had endorsed Bernie ... NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #74
Not if he had said what he said. You're just pulling that out of your backside. cui bono Apr 2016 #75
When someone refers to John Lewis ... NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #78
So you admit it's all in your mind. Glad you cleared that up. cui bono Apr 2016 #79
You referring to John Lewis ... NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #80
You are trying to extrapolate something that is unrelated to what I've said. cui bono Apr 2016 #81
You said what you said. NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #82
LOL. And you think you are the principled one? You sound pretty immature to me there. cui bono Apr 2016 #83
You said what you said. Too late to walk it back. n/t NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #84
LOL. I'm not walking anything back. I laid out a detailed reason for why I criticize Lewis. cui bono Apr 2016 #85
You said what you said. Too late to walk it back. n/t NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #86
Did you short circuit? You should check your wiring. Maybe rest your brain for a bit. cui bono Apr 2016 #87
Beware any candidate who runs racist 3am ads against an AA candidate pinebox Apr 2016 #91
"democrat" in quotes is right workinclasszero Apr 2016 #121
Cui bono, indeed. Who benefits from this? Donald Trump, that's who. MineralMan Apr 2016 #19
Right. alan2102 Apr 2016 #90
Operation Chaos 2016. Its Hillary vs. Trump. Which side are you on? JaneyVee Apr 2016 #21
It is not Hillary vs trump. Are you kidding me? truedelphi Apr 2016 #28
You do understand that any idiot with $400 to COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #43
Wrong again. There are no primary winners. But which side are you on? cui bono Apr 2016 #30
You are one note argument. Loki Apr 2016 #140
You are not making any sense at all. cui bono May 2016 #141
Oh please, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Loki May 2016 #143
So whre is the link? The quote? I do NOT know what you are talking about. cui bono May 2016 #147
Look it up, your fingers obviously aren't broken. Loki May 2016 #149
And Hillary supporters want unity and people to vote for her. cui bono May 2016 #150
When you post lies, Loki May 2016 #156
So you're not trying to win converts. Got it. cui bono May 2016 #157
I don't have to, she's winning. Loki May 2016 #158
You will if she makes it to the GE. cui bono May 2016 #161
Kickity-kick, kick-kick. dinkytron Apr 2016 #24
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #27
You couldn't' be bothered to give us a list of the corporate candidates? brooklynite Apr 2016 #29
There is no people's movement underthematrix Apr 2016 #31
Clearly you have not been paying any attention to this primary. Or to OWS. cui bono Apr 2016 #32
I have. A group of angry working class whites is not a people's underthematrix Apr 2016 #34
How very elitist sounding. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #46
So you are just erasing all the minorities that support this movement? cui bono Apr 2016 #69
#BernieMadeMeWhite part 2? VulgarPoet May 2016 #166
The HRC DU Edition! cui bono May 2016 #173
Very telling, how the substance of your post is being ignored. Waiting For Everyman Apr 2016 #33
That does enable me to add to my ignore list, though. djean111 Apr 2016 #51
So, how many Hillary supporters have you converted with your vanity thread? nt procon Apr 2016 #36
That is the furthest thing from the poster's mind. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #50
Since you have these extraordinary mind reading powers, then what is the goal? procon Apr 2016 #55
It's a "look how pure I am" vanity post hack89 Apr 2016 #117
Heads up. No. seabeyond Apr 2016 #38
So I should not support the democratic Party candidate to teach them a lesson? rurallib Apr 2016 #39
Bill Clinton made speeches a cottage industry. joshcryer Apr 2016 #40
If you are serious about this, you will lead the charge here to get Democratic Squinch Apr 2016 #42
IF they were serious they would be challenging Sanders his lockheed/martin support at taxpayers seabeyond Apr 2016 #56
All this is true but what REALLY bugs me about many Sanders supporters is that they are Squinch Apr 2016 #58
Agreed. Anyone can stand up and say whatever. That is as far as he goes and that isn't good enough seabeyond Apr 2016 #61
They are no doubt part of the problem and stand in the way of progress. Broward Apr 2016 #44
I'll be nice when these sorts of posts will be considered ToS violations Tarc Apr 2016 #52
KnR chknltl Apr 2016 #54
K&R Carolina Apr 2016 #70
Kick nt Jack Bone Apr 2016 #77
I work for a corporation. Eko Apr 2016 #88
Perhaps not, but you should try to familiarize yourself with... Herman4747 Apr 2016 #122
While that was a lovely read, Eko Apr 2016 #129
Yet she voted with Sanders > 93% of the time. randome Apr 2016 #89
Question the 7% where she didn't. Iraq War etc. B Calm Apr 2016 #94
She voted in favor of the Iraq War Resolution, she did not start an unnecessary war. randome Apr 2016 #96
She also voted for Post office names artislife Apr 2016 #104
Those votes were her most impressive! Herman4747 Apr 2016 #119
Even the names were uncreative. artislife Apr 2016 #123
I repeat: Chimps share 99% DNA with humans. There's a difference. snowy owl Apr 2016 #130
Doesn't matter how much factual info you post. They will shout it down as false. snowy owl Apr 2016 #131
Your post illustrates exactly what Hillary supporters do not understand about this primary. cui bono May 2016 #151
DU LWolf Apr 2016 #93
You nailed it. Some dems don't know they are now republicans. snowy owl Apr 2016 #132
Discouraging is nowhere near strong enough. vintx Apr 2016 #134
to independent? Can you vote in primaries as an independent? snowy owl Apr 2016 #137
Yes. LWolf Apr 2016 #139
K&R me b zola Apr 2016 #97
Most elected officials are New Democrats, not traditional Democrats and certainly not traditional merrily Apr 2016 #103
K N R-ed Faux pas Apr 2016 #108
Our tent has been too damn big Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #109
FYI, someone will most likely alert on this thread. You just insulted all Clinton supporters plus kerry-is-my-prez Apr 2016 #113
K&R Great post. nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #115
There it is. Plain as fucking day. Excellent post. nt JEB Apr 2016 #116
Now stop it! This is upsetting some in the HRC group TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #118
Who cares? The only people who have ever even mentioned this have been Sanders himself... George II Apr 2016 #120
Don't you love all that dumb luck... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #133
Heads up... better beware of... jcgoldie Apr 2016 #136
How embarassing for you. Your Dear Leader couldn't even come up with one example of influence R B Garr May 2016 #146
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #152
I guess you don't know much about the various civil rights struggles we've had in this country. cui bono May 2016 #153
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #154
Why were you at Zucotti Park? (I was there too, btw) cui bono May 2016 #155
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #159
I don't think it actually failed though. It changed the conversation. cui bono May 2016 #160
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #162
You're maybe winning a battle only to lose the war. cui bono May 2016 #163
They will do anything, and I do mean anything, to prevent a compassionate democracy Zorra May 2016 #165
"Corporations" and other "business" including the "wealthy" have always supported Democrats. apnu May 2016 #170
Bill Clinton made a decision to go the DLC way and DLC was formed specifically to change cui bono May 2016 #172
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