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leveymg

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87. She did it despite and in spite of being told not to use her Blackberry. She's in serious trouble
Mon May 2, 2016, 03:00 PM
May 2016

When she received a series of emails containing obviously classified information from Sid Blumenthal, her response was "keep 'em coming." This information turned out to have originated just hours earlier with the NSA, and had been taken off a classified system just hours earlier. She's in serious trouble. If one reads her Classified Information Agreement, posted above, it makes repeated reference to Sec 793 of Title 18 US Code. That's a felony statute for violation of the oath. Keep her response to Blumenthal in mind -- and the fact that she didn't report the breach, and expressly encouraged more of the same -- as you read subsection (f)(2) of that section, below:

(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense,
(1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or
(2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.


She's in serious trouble.

Full text here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251552653

What is the context of Sidney Blumenthal's email that Hillary should have recognized as classified and reported?

Here's what the NYT says: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/30/us/politics/benghazi-emails-put-focus-on-hillary-clintons-encouragement-of-adviser.html

WASHINGTON — Hillary Rodham Clinton told reporters last month that the memos about Libya she received while secretary of state from Sidney Blumenthal, a longtime adviser whom the Obama administration had barred her from hiring, had been “unsolicited.”

But email records that Mrs. Clinton, according to officials briefed on the matter, apparently failed to turn over to the State Department last fall show that she repeatedly encouraged Mr. Blumenthal to “keep ’em coming,” as she said in an August 2012 reply to a memo from him, which she called “another keeper.”

All or part of 15 Libya-related emails she sent to Mr. Blumenthal were missing from the trove of 30,000 that Mrs. Clinton provided to the State Department last year, as well as from the 847 that the department in turn provided in February to the House committee investigating the 2012 attacks in Benghazi, Libya. The emails were reviewed by a reporter.

The department had asked Mrs. Clinton last year for copies of all of the work-related emails she sent or received on the personal email account she exclusively used when she was secretary of state from 2009 to 2013. (She has said that she wiped the server clean thereafter, deleting the emails that she had not turned over to the department, which she said were personal.)

In sifting through and producing such a large number of emails, it stands to reason that some would be missed. But the fact that some of the missing correspondence contained expressions of gratitude and encouragement to Mr. Blumenthal is being seized on by Republicans, who plan to use the apparent contradiction, and the missing emails, to raise new questions about Mrs. Clinton’s credibility.

The missing email records — nine complete messages and parts of six others — were discovered after Mr. Blumenthal turned over to the House committee investigating the Benghazi attacks his own batch of Libya-related email correspondence with Mrs. Clinton.

Angered that the State Department had not already provided it with some of those emails, the committee asked the department whether it had received them from Mrs. Clinton. The department determined that it had not received all or part of 15 emails.

On Thursday, the State Department acknowledged the missing correspondence, but it did not specifically say which parts of those emails were missing.

According to officials briefed on the matter, among the emails the State Department could not find were those in which Mrs. Clinton encouraged Mr. Blumenthal to keep sending memos or in which she asked additional questions about their contents.


In response to an intelligence memo Mr. Blumenthal sent Mrs. Clinton in July 2012, she said: “Greetings from Kabul! And thanks for keeping this stuff coming!”

And, responding to a March 2012 memo, she wrote: “This strains credulity based on what I know. Any more info about it?”

Mr. Blumenthal replied, “Will seek more intel.”


What exactly was in Mr. Blumenthal's emails to Hillary?

Some Blumenthal emails were deigned so sensitive by the Dept. of State that they were redacted in full. State Department releases of Hillary Clinton emails have contained messages from her longtime friend and intelligence-provider, Sidney Blumenthal, that have been deemed to contain some classified information. More than 1,100 emails and attachments on the server were found to contain some classified information, including 104 sent by Clinton herself. 22 emails were classified Top Secret/SAP (Special Access Program)

Four Blumenthal emails released by the State Department on Friday, January 28 were completely redacted:

A June 20, 2011, email entitled “memo hrc Bahrain/Iran” is also classified as confidential and redacted in full because it contains information related to foreign activities.

On June 23, 2009, Blumenthal sent an email to Clinton with the subject line “N. Ireland/Shaun,” an apparent reference to Shaun Woodward, who then served as the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland.

Likewise with a June 28, 2012, email with the subject line “some intel on internal german/euro maneuvering.”

Another email from Blumenthal to Clinton, sent Aug. 3, 2012, is nearly completely redacted save for statement that the email contained information from “sources with access to the highest levels of the Governments and institutions.”

The State Department also withhold in full 22 emails that contain “top secret” information. The agency also acknowledged that the information was classified at the time the emails were created. The agency gave no indication one way or the other if any of those emails came from Blumenthal.

Clinton has claimed that the records were not “marked” classified when she sent or received them. However, her nondisclosure agreement signed on January 22, 2009 states that she received training in recognizing and handling classified information. The agreement states in the first paragraph that classified information is classified regardless of whether it is marked or unmarked as such. See the complete text of her signed agreement at #42, above.

She's in seriously grave trouble.

The emails to and from Sid Blumenthal about Libya cover material that is clearly classified as foreign government information. https://news.vice.com/article/libyan-oil-gold-and-qaddafi-the-strange-email-sidney-blumenthal-sent-hillary-clinton-in-2011

Two weeks after France began bombing Libya, in March, 2011, Hillary Clinton's old friend and advisor Sidney Blumenthal passed her an intelligence memo that supposedly revealed France's true — and quite unflattering— motivations for toppling Libyan dictator Muammar Qaddafi. While France's then-President Nicolas Sarkozy publicly said he wished to free the Libyan people from tyranny, Blumenthal's memo argues that he was driven by a cocktail of less lofty incentives, including a desire for Libyan oil, and a fear that Qaddafi secretly planned to use his vast supply of gold to displace France's primacy in the region.

Libya watchers aren't so sure that Blumenthal was passing the US Secretary Of State solid intelligence. "For me, it's not credible," former French diplomat and Libya expert Patrick Haimzadeh told VICE News when asked about the Blumenthal memo. Haimzadeh worked at the French embassy in Tripoli from 2001 to 2004, and wrote the 2011 study In the Heart of Qaddafi's Libya. "In 2011, everyone was saying anything and everything about Libya," Haimzadeh said. "But in fact, no one really knew what was going on. At the time, the French intelligence services and the CIA were in the dark. For example, the French services said the war would last three days — in reality, it took eight months."

It appears that Clinton's office too was awash in Libya rumors. Nearly a third of all the emails she received on the security and political situation in Libya during her tenure as Secretary of State came from Blumenthal, a longtime Clinton associate who was not formally employed by the State Department. He was on the payroll of the Clinton Foundation, bringing in $10,000 a month as a consultant, while pursuing his own business interests in Libya. Blumenthal's emails to Clinton now have been made public in response to a FOIA lawsuit filed by VICE News.

Clinton's correspondence reveals that Blumenthal regularly sent her intelligence-cable-style updates on Libya that cited anonymous sources who claimed to be close to the country's political elites.

These briefs were prepared by Blumenthal's business partner and former CIA operative Tyler Drumheller, a consultant with plans to take advantage of economic opportunities in a post-war Libya. Both Drumheller and Blumenthal worked with a Libyan company called Osprey, a start-up that hoped to profit off medical and military contracts in the chaos after the war.

Though those contracts may have eventually needed the approval of Clinton's State Department, Blumenthal has repeatedly denied he intended to use his connections to the Secretary of State to further his business interests. Since Libya fractured after the NATO-led intervention in 2011, the lucrative business opportunities didn't materialize, and Osprey never really got off the ground.


She is in serious trouble for trading these emails with Blumenthal. Indeed, they point to her involvement in a wider pattern of criminal conflict of interest, such as abuses in State Department contracts in Libya.
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Petraeus pled down from 793, a felony, to 1924, a misdemeanor. Berger also pled guilty to 1924. leveymg May 2016 #19
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people knowingly and intentionally mishandled clasified information, despite knowing they should not pdsimdars May 2016 #93
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How many indictments? zipplewrath May 2016 #147
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Intentionally zipplewrath May 2016 #72
What about if you intentionally, using a private server, converse with someone like polly7 May 2016 #73
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He was being paid by her Foundation at the same time, right? polly7 May 2016 #77
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How could he have fired her if he didn't know about it? nt. polly7 May 2016 #97
That is a problem zipplewrath May 2016 #100
She exposed state secrets at the highest level, people's lives were in jeopardy because of what pdsimdars May 2016 #101
She did not zipplewrath May 2016 #103
Did she report Blumenthal as Sec 793 requires? No. leveymg May 2016 #165
And when was the last time someone was prosecuted? zipplewrath May 2016 #174
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Her server wasn't approved for use. Fawke Em May 2016 #31
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Ask General Pitreas about that. pdsimdars May 2016 #104
He did it intentionally zipplewrath May 2016 #105
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No zipplewrath May 2016 #172
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Conviction under Sec. 793 requires neither intent nor actual harm. Mishandling is enough. leveymg May 2016 #42
Necessary, but not sufficient zipplewrath May 2016 #63
She did it despite and in spite of being told not to use her Blackberry. She's in serious trouble leveymg May 2016 #87
So far you have nothing zipplewrath May 2016 #98
There is no confusion about what is classified and not. That is a typical Clinton red herring pdsimdars May 2016 #106
Everything you have posted so far is misinformation or disinformation. leveymg May 2016 #111
Sorry, it doesn't work that way. zipplewrath May 2016 #146
Petraeus was allowed to plead down to a different charge, Sec. 1924. leveymg May 2016 #163
"Allowed" zipplewrath May 2016 #176
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The intent is clearly on the face of the acts in evidence. leveymg May 2016 #193
Not to a prosecutor zipplewrath May 2016 #194
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In a court of law zipplewrath May 2016 #196
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Intent zipplewrath May 2016 #198
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