2016 Postmortem

zipplewrath

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105. He did it intentionally

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:23 PM

May 2016

He knowingly and intentionally transmitted classified information to a private citizen not cleared to receive it. He admitted to it, including the fore knowledge and the intent. This is so different from the Clinton situation one struggles to find the similarities. And the differences are significant and fundamental to whether she will be charged.

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The investigation into Clinton's email server is very real. [View all] Fawke Em May 2016 OP

It's about creating a new right wing fake sufrommich May 2016 #1

Just as I suspected Fawke Em May 2016 #3

The FBI has to investigate the charge,no sufrommich May 2016 #6

See post #10. People have lost their^ for less..... Land of Enchantment May 2016 #13

No, they haven't. zipplewrath May 2016 #66

You ever had a Q Clearance? Land of Enchantment May 2016 #130

Yes I do zipplewrath May 2016 #143

This was started by Obama's State Department Ash_F May 2016 #25

Is there any real doubt that laws and policy were violated? TipTok May 2016 #37

Exactly zipplewrath May 2016 #67

If laws were violated... scscholar May 2016 #129

False on its face... TipTok May 2016 #133

Are you aware that DOJ told the FOIA court last week that a referral (case) is forthcoming JudyM May 2016 #182

It is serious but it's the DOJ that can prosecute and will they is the question because the FBI bkkyosemite May 2016 #102

what's as obvious as the nose on my face AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #47

It is impressive. deathrind May 2016 #84

Believe what you want. Reality has a way of rearing its ugly head when you least expect it. bjo59 May 2016 #51

You don't put out a fire... dchill May 2016 #107

Now *that has always been true. nt silvershadow May 2016 #152

If you have read up on the facts and still say this then your nose is surely a foot long, unless you JudyM May 2016 #181

Wave after wave of trouble is headed her way. yourpaljoey May 2016 #2

If she securs the Nom they will pull the trigger Ferd Berfel May 2016 #44

That's what I fear. bjo59 May 2016 #54

agree - I've said many times that they will wait until it's too late Ferd Berfel May 2016 #55

I honestly believe that as well. Puglover May 2016 #118

Her goose is cooked madokie May 2016 #128

I must admit, I am a little scared yourpaljoey May 2016 #136

No it didn't, but Clinton isn't in this for the good of the country is she?! haikugal May 2016 #151

She will ruin us all to get what she wants yourpaljoey May 2016 #168

WOW, you win the Spiro Agnew prize for alliteration tularetom May 2016 #4

My thought exactly! Loved it! lagomorph777 May 2016 #125

GMTA farleftlib May 2016 #186

Ill-informed desperate gibberish keeps on a'flowin from Camp Sanders Tarc May 2016 #5

Wrist slaps as a result of indictments/convictions. HooptieWagon May 2016 #7

Even indictment of staffers would be bad unc70 May 2016 #48

In the unlike chance that actually happened, it still won't put the Bern in the White House, bro Tarc May 2016 #52

No one can predict the resolution of chaos,... HooptieWagon May 2016 #99

You point to conspicuous weaknesses in our system as justification for perpetuating them RufusTFirefly May 2016 #8

Petraeus pled down from 793, a felony, to 1924, a misdemeanor. Berger also pled guilty to 1924. leveymg May 2016 #19

And don't forget this: Fawke Em May 2016 #28

Not just from Camp Sanders, as Bernie Sanders correctly dismissed it as crap The Second Stone May 2016 #50

Neither one of them that you mention were SOS head of handling all secrets for the security of bkkyosemite May 2016 #116

Since nothing was classified at the time, it hardly matters. Tarc May 2016 #120

Really? The State Department disagrees Bob41213 May 2016 #187

Yes, really, Mr. Cherry-Picker Tarc May 2016 #189

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #117

If you had an ounce of reading comprehension skills timmymoff May 2016 #166

The Indictment Fairy isn't going to deliver you the nomination, bro Tarc May 2016 #169

ain't seeking indictment nor someone to vote for president. timmymoff May 2016 #188

Don't lie and backpedall when caught, kiddo Tarc May 2016 #190

Show me once where I mentioned indictment timmymoff May 2016 #191

Kickin' with gusto! Faux pas May 2016 #9

People have lost their livelihoods and freedom for less.... Land of Enchantment May 2016 #10

Bull Hockey zipplewrath May 2016 #18

people knowingly and intentionally mishandled clasified information, despite knowing they should not pdsimdars May 2016 #93

No one has made that claim yet zipplewrath May 2016 #148

I believe the Justice Department has a better handle on these things than you do.[n/t] Maedhros May 2016 #113

How many indictments? zipplewrath May 2016 #147

The FBI is conducting an investigation - this is fact. Maedhros May 2016 #149

They conduct alot of investigtions zipplewrath May 2016 #150

I work with the FBI. They investigate cases I bring to them, sometimes. Maedhros May 2016 #158

You are grossly mistaken zipplewrath May 2016 #173

Indeed. The Clinton Machine... NewImproved Deal May 2016 #179

The Indictment Fairy laughs at this! NurseJackie May 2016 #11

Proving my point: You don't know jack about what you're talking about. Fawke Em May 2016 #30

That for which you wish will never happen. NurseJackie May 2016 #33

You're wrong zipplewrath May 2016 #12

I don't believe the defense of "I didn't know it was classified material" will wash. rhett o rick May 2016 #23

No one would be prosecuted zipplewrath May 2016 #59

Where I worked, if you mishandled classified material you'd lose your security clearance rhett o rick May 2016 #68

Intentionally zipplewrath May 2016 #72

What about if you intentionally, using a private server, converse with someone like polly7 May 2016 #73

Showing poor judgement zipplewrath May 2016 #75

He was being paid by her Foundation at the same time, right? polly7 May 2016 #77

Because it's not zipplewrath May 2016 #79

How could he have fired her if he didn't know about it? nt. polly7 May 2016 #97

That is a problem zipplewrath May 2016 #100

She exposed state secrets at the highest level, people's lives were in jeopardy because of what pdsimdars May 2016 #101

She did not zipplewrath May 2016 #103

Did she report Blumenthal as Sec 793 requires? No. leveymg May 2016 #165

And when was the last time someone was prosecuted? zipplewrath May 2016 #174

You don't know what you are saying. I'd suggest you talk to someone who is an intelligence pdsimdars May 2016 #95

If one handles classified materials they are trained to recognize it. "I didn't know it was rhett o rick May 2016 #121

It is not "acceptable" zipplewrath May 2016 #144

you know what it is *not a long way from, though? Dragging my good name silvershadow May 2016 #153

Been there, done that zipplewrath May 2016 #184

We do, all the time zipplewrath May 2016 #145

You are looking at your candidate's actions through rose colored glasses. Maedhros May 2016 #115

Here's some of the language of the statute that may have been violated: CentralCoaster May 2016 #91

You know what I admire about the Clinton's? FlatBaroque May 2016 #27

Waterboard a Word!!! Getting up off the floor... Land of Enchantment May 2016 #64

Her server wasn't approved for use. Fawke Em May 2016 #31

That's not the story being told zipplewrath May 2016 #57

Ask General Pitreas about that. pdsimdars May 2016 #104

He did it intentionally zipplewrath May 2016 #105

So did Clinton. She set up an unsecured private server and used it the entire time she was SOS. haikugal May 2016 #157

No zipplewrath May 2016 #172

The information was clearly marked and she told them to take the classification off and send to her haikugal May 2016 #178

Actually, what she said was zipplewrath May 2016 #183

Conviction under Sec. 793 requires neither intent nor actual harm. Mishandling is enough. leveymg May 2016 #42

Necessary, but not sufficient zipplewrath May 2016 #63

She did it despite and in spite of being told not to use her Blackberry. She's in serious trouble leveymg May 2016 #87

So far you have nothing zipplewrath May 2016 #98

There is no confusion about what is classified and not. That is a typical Clinton red herring pdsimdars May 2016 #106

Everything you have posted so far is misinformation or disinformation. leveymg May 2016 #111

Sorry, it doesn't work that way. zipplewrath May 2016 #146

Petraeus was allowed to plead down to a different charge, Sec. 1924. leveymg May 2016 #163

"Allowed" zipplewrath May 2016 #176

You're calling it a "mistake", whereas the evidence shows she set up her server as an end-run around leveymg May 2016 #185

That's a heck of a deduction on your part zipplewrath May 2016 #192

The intent is clearly on the face of the acts in evidence. leveymg May 2016 #193

Not to a prosecutor zipplewrath May 2016 #194

Under the Espionage Act, stupidity is a crime. One does not have to intend to harm the US or leveymg May 2016 #195

In a court of law zipplewrath May 2016 #196

I might agree, if she hadn't herself posted classified info or encouraged Blumenthal to do so. leveymg May 2016 #197

Intent zipplewrath May 2016 #198

Her use of a private server was supposedly "approved" for use. frylock May 2016 #76

Her testimony zipplewrath May 2016 #78

I hope the response satisfies your request Capt. Obvious May 2016 #85

Absolutely! frylock May 2016 #124

There is no link because that never happened. leveymg May 2016 #90

^^^^^^^^^^^ Amen! ^^^^^^^^^^^ pdsimdars May 2016 #108

So many, many, many good reasons to reject Hillary Clinton. Scuba May 2016 #14

Can you imagine how enthusiastically she will be supported? nt silvershadow May 2016 #154

Well, I do see the Republicans drooling at the chance to vote against her. Scuba May 2016 #156

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #15

good god...not this fucking shit again Sheepshank May 2016 #16

I see you also know little about cyber security. Fawke Em May 2016 #32

Naw, just living in the Clinton Bubble. She who can do no wrong. libdem4life May 2016 #41

Reccing for the alliteration alone. NV Whino May 2016 #17

Where is the alliteration? DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #20

Cute.😏 NV Whino May 2016 #86

Thanks, been trying to put that together myself nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #21

I'm now in the middle of reading the medium version timeline and this is worth bookmarking. Uncle Joe May 2016 #22

It just remind me of the tea baggers and climate change denial. . . . the refuse to accept facts. pdsimdars May 2016 #24

GOP central Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #26

The dude who wrong the definitive guide to the 9/11 timeline... Fawke Em May 2016 #35

Endless attacks of HIllary is GOP central. You may not even know you are doing it. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #36

Poor Hillary. frylock May 2016 #81

Recommend.... KoKo May 2016 #171

I realize Bernies supporters wish this would turn into something. griffi94 May 2016 #29

What Bernie supporters do not want is Clinton elected to a term of eternal impeachment proceedings. peace13 May 2016 #34

And yet FAR better than ANY con, right? Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #39

It is senseless to vote for someone with these problems. peace13 May 2016 #49

I thought the last Clinton administration was a success griffi94 May 2016 #43

A success? For who? Apparently you did not live through that era, I did. Land of Enchantment May 2016 #58

I'm 53 griffi94 May 2016 #62

that's bullshit jcgoldie May 2016 #70

DOMA, DADT, NAFTA zipplewrath May 2016 #74

"failed economic policies" jcgoldie May 2016 #80

Hellloooooo... Land of Enchantment May 2016 #88

The instablity was clearly there prior however zipplewrath May 2016 #89

What you don't seem to understand is that investigations aren't like they are on TV. Fawke Em May 2016 #38

What you don't seem to understand griffi94 May 2016 #46

The overwhelming majority of Democratic voters are going to be in for quite a shock.. frylock May 2016 #82

That's not going to happen griffi94 May 2016 #83

LOL, now THAT is funny! Land of Enchantment May 2016 #96

Hillary is leading Bernie griffi94 May 2016 #109

Yep. frylock May 2016 #123

And yet she's blowing everybody else away griffi94 May 2016 #127

Can't imagine how the former First Lady who has the entire Party structure backing her.. frylock May 2016 #131

More people like her is all griffi94 May 2016 #132

Yeah, that must be it. frylock May 2016 #137

I really don't see a mystery griffi94 May 2016 #138

Good thing only Democrats get to vote in the GE. frylock May 2016 #139

That's not true griffi94 May 2016 #140

maybe the "powers that be" don't want Bernie. virtualobserver May 2016 #40

I have also thought this. pdsimdars May 2016 #110

In the Land of Enchantment where facts become attacks. LOL. n/t libdem4life May 2016 #45

Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi whitewater whitewater whitewater beachbumbob May 2016 #53

Hillary's Comment - "You Mean With a Cloth?" gordyfl May 2016 #56

And I saw a couple of people report that at the time she was reading a book about how to pdsimdars May 2016 #112

Oh it's real enough. They've used this trick to knock out a few small fry. ucrdem May 2016 #60

Any second now!!!!!!!!!!!! JoePhilly May 2016 #61

Frog marched zipplewrath May 2016 #65

I think we have a bit more waiting to do actually nt NWCorona May 2016 #94

Of course it is real. The Fox News spin, not so much. emulatorloo May 2016 #69

Hillary Supporter thinks Paul is a Freeper looking only to sell books. frylock May 2016 #71

Trashed Bayard May 2016 #92

As soon as the FBI makes an annuoncement about it, the feeding frenzy will begin pdsimdars May 2016 #114

Nor is it a secret for our primary voters. n/t pampango May 2016 #119

The new version of the truthers Progressive dog May 2016 #122

Denial will work fine until the FBI reports. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #126

No Demsrule86 May 2016 #135

So we post the entire Thompson piece ...a Bernie supporters opinion Demsrule86 May 2016 #134

Remember that FBI lawsuit against Apple? The one that crashed and burned? ucrdem May 2016 #141

Absolutely true Demsrule86 May 2016 #170

Nu uh. seabeyond May 2016 #142

Old liberal that I am Whimsey May 2016 #155

Oh, look, another one. Maedhros May 2016 #159

Really? Whimsey May 2016 #161

It wasn't the same they used email she used a private server..completely different. I think they haikugal May 2016 #160

You are wrong. Whimsey May 2016 #162

I not using a keyboard so I shorten things for my own comfort...it's really none of your business. haikugal May 2016 #164

BS Whimsey May 2016 #167

Lol 33 posts. Guys I think they are correcting the record over here. DFab420 May 2016 #177

What Rice and Powell did 2cannan May 2016 #180

Yawn. Scurrilous May 2016 #175