2016 Postmortem

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)

84. steal the super delegates?

Tue May 3, 2016, 12:22 AM

May 2016

Last edited Tue May 3, 2016, 01:51 AM - Edit history (1)

OMG, I can't believe how freaked out so many people are by Bernie working within a system set up to work this way. The super delegates never chose between Bernie and Hillary. They had to go with Hillary from the very beginning because she was the presumptive winner, and even if they might have preferred Bernie, she was "supposed" to win and they could not go against the establishment...or they would pay for it.

Now some brave ones have supported Bernie, but it's still pretty much the original "set-up" that gave Hillary the upper hand without even earning it. Not because all these people think Hillary is a better choice...but because they really had no choice.

So...if it becomes a contested convention, meaning neither candidate had enough pledged delegates to win the nomination (come on...the rules are the rules), which means it's still an open contest...

OMG, now some of the super delegates might actually get to switch to supporting Bernie, whom they may have really wanted to support in the first place.

So what is so terrible? What was terrible was the rigged situation in the beginning. If Bernie does contest, he can't force any super delegate to switch. If they do, it will be because they "want" to. GET IT? Or possibly their constituents push them to do it. Bernie has no power over them...but Hillary does.

Why shouldn't they be able to support who they want to support? Why should they have to be forced to go with the establishment?

Now, I don't think Bernie is going to win this way, unless he gets a lot more pledged delegates before the convention and closes the gap. And if that happens, then where is the crime?

I think I hear a lot of people panicking...and the sound of that is getting ugly. They thought after NY he would just give in...but he didn't and now they are freaking out because he might actually still have a legitimate chance to win the contest.

And all of a sudden people who claimed they "liked" him or even "loved" him even though they supported Hillary, suddenly hate him? Oh give me a break. You either never liked him, you were just playing a game, or you don't really hate him now...you are just scared.

It's OK to be scared. You don't have to overreact.

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At the risk of being alerted, banned, .... [View all] ronnykmarshall May 2016 OP

Well said. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #1

I can't believe I'm reading these OPs. She did pull half that shit, and more! TheBlackAdder May 2016 #143

We must not forget the TRUTH about Hillary! Rockyj May 2016 #174

Truth: Part of Bernie's platform puffy socks May 2016 #176

Although I like your name for some reason rock May 2016 #238

Thank you for reminding people of this... the true Hillary revealed. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2016 #177

She was much, much closer to Obama than Bernie is. Their popular vote totals in the last pnwmom May 2016 #225

That just seems to affirm that negativisms work. TheBlackAdder May 2016 #227

Not true. The states that she just carried recently were large, diverse states. pnwmom May 2016 #228

But the tone was set early on in the Southeast and gave an instant delegate lead. TheBlackAdder May 2016 #229

What you call the "tone" was really just the fact that she has extremely strong support pnwmom May 2016 #234

actually it is: gopiscrap May 2016 #254

Hillary is a gutter fighter farleftlib May 2016 #239

Is this a typo? hellofromreddit May 2016 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #26

hahaha... so Hillary DID pull the shit her supporters are falsely accusing Bernie of. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2016 #178

genius . . . . great editor! pdsimdars May 2016 #147

Good post. cwydro May 2016 #3

Goldman Sachs and Big Pharma thank you for your support. virtualobserver May 2016 #4

Thank you for proving my point. ronnykmarshall May 2016 #17

Your point is that you support the DNC and Hillary.....along with their pals virtualobserver May 2016 #22

You post is "look at me"! Logical May 2016 #30

As is yours since it adds nothing. synergie May 2016 #58

Baaaazing oasis May 2016 #86

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #29

Actually, 3 million MORE than Sanders. Clinton vote count well exceeds 3 million. seabeyond May 2016 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #41

"Big Pharma" is saving countless lives around the world every day. George II May 2016 #32

Big Pharma is making countless dollars around the world every day virtualobserver May 2016 #49

I'm taking two medications, total monthly cost $4.00, total cost to Obamacare $11.00 George II May 2016 #62

Thank Obamacare, not Big Pharma virtualobserver May 2016 #65

"Big Pharma" developed the medications, the ACA didn't. George II May 2016 #66

They also price gouge, and ignore evidence of deadly side effects.... virtualobserver May 2016 #71

Then by all means protest them by opting out of any and all drugs, that is your right. synergie May 2016 #90

It is your privilege to ignore the deaths caused by their greed virtualobserver May 2016 #95

Which deaths would those be that I'm supposedly ignoring? The ones that die due to synergie May 2016 #110

no one is denied medication and no one is gouged in the world of my candidate virtualobserver May 2016 #126

They would not do so as they know they will get sued treestar May 2016 #158

they have done so, and I have personally known someone who died because of it virtualobserver May 2016 #167

perfection does not exist treestar May 2016 #251

when corporations conceal evidence of deadly side effects it is not "imperfection" virtualobserver May 2016 #253

Lets shut all of them down!!!!! Logical May 2016 #263

Yeah, let's!!! Sparkly May 2016 #269

let's stop them from influencing politicians by carpet bombing them with money virtualobserver May 2016 #272

and Sanders is still taking money MFM008 May 2016 #120

Big pharma is also allowing people who cannot pay for their drugs to die. PatrickforO May 2016 #111

Exactly, we are expected to hate all companies treestar May 2016 #157

Let's see what I did this morning.... George II May 2016 #173

Well, here's what I did. RoccoR5955 May 2016 #207

I do all those things too, but the difference is that I recognize my privilege. yardwork May 2016 #222

Yeah I recognize that. RoccoR5955 May 2016 #223

I hope that you have many, many years before that happens. yardwork May 2016 #243

You know what. RoccoR5955 May 2016 #244

So what about everyone else? treestar May 2016 #250

And each of them employs many people treestar May 2016 #249

I was just going to ask which one is willing to Loki May 2016 #260

The NRA thanks Bernie. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #226

Bernie has a D- rating from the NRA, and they ran hard against Bernie when he ran for the Senate virtualobserver May 2016 #230

This year he does. They liked him more the year he voted for the PLCAA pnwmom May 2016 #233

+1 Buzz Clik May 2016 #5

I'm Right There With You Stallion May 2016 #6

Amen! nt puffy socks May 2016 #191

Fantastic post!! Bleacher Creature May 2016 #7

Amen! LisaM May 2016 #8

Well said... SidDithers May 2016 #9

Sometimes you just have to speak your mind. BootinUp May 2016 #10

You mean "Sometimes you just have to speak your rage" pdsimdars May 2016 #149

OK, you like Hillary Clinton. You don't like Jane Sanders. Got it. CentralCoaster May 2016 #11

Agreed! chwaliszewski May 2016 #130

That's very odd treestar May 2016 #160

+10 840high May 2016 #279

The HUGE multinational corps trying to take ALL power away from the people via "free trade"... Triana May 2016 #12

Thanks Ronny, I like hearing you voted in the presidential and mid term elections, a good citizen. Thinkingabout May 2016 #13

You I love, and we should all be 'allowed' to babylonsister May 2016 #14

and I love you too. ronnykmarshall May 2016 #18

Why would anyone alert on this? postatomic May 2016 #15

they wouldn't. It's another stupid "bwah...everyone hates me because I like Hillary" Doctor_J May 2016 #45

I didn't see it that way postatomic May 2016 #74

+1, desperate to play the martyr. Much like Hillary, oddly enough. /nt Marr May 2016 #98

I was hidden for posting Sanders own words... and about Sanders having West stump for him uponit7771 May 2016 #112

I was hidden for puffy socks May 2016 #179

I think we've all had bogus hides postatomic May 2016 #218

I don't like Sanders anymore either. hrmjustin May 2016 #16

No don't worry this stuff won't get reported, 13 min videos of hillsters lying insta8er May 2016 #19

It's going to be hilarious when the bus rolls over Bernie for supporting Hillary..... bettyellen May 2016 #20

That's a silly statement Armstead May 2016 #46

I'd guess 15-20% will throw him under the bus. that said- it is petulant and childish to do that. bettyellen May 2016 #54

I always say that in any campaign, movement etc with large numbers... Armstead May 2016 #79

I think a couple of "personalities" have emerged online - and it is not so pretty. bettyellen May 2016 #80

I don't get your pount... Armstead May 2016 #83

I meant to say that I think just a few personalities feel prominent- because of the net.... bettyellen May 2016 #89

Not so. The party rallies behind the nominee treestar May 2016 #159

One more thing she was wrong about. cui bono May 2016 #235

She was wrong to support Obama? treestar May 2016 #248

Like the passion Joob May 2016 #21

This is what it looks like when a liberal fights for an agenda instead of a job. aikoaiko May 2016 #23

No. When a loser throws his tantrum. seabeyond May 2016 #31

Oh please Armstead May 2016 #42

Sure looks like it to me. I don't expect this nastiness with Democrats. seabeyond May 2016 #43

Democrats have always been known as the "herding cats" party Armstead May 2016 #48

He's just campaigning until the end. How is that a trantrum? aikoaiko May 2016 #44

It isn't. something about Hiraeth May 2016 #107

In Bernieworld anyone with a good job is a corporate shill if they redstateblues May 2016 #39

I used to love him too. I'm really disappointed in him and the way he's been acting. kerry-is-my-prez May 2016 #24

Lol, sure you did! Nt Logical May 2016 #27

Was a huge fan. Have been following him for years. To be honest I actually agree with his ideas kerry-is-my-prez May 2016 #70

I too am rooting for a female president... Silver_Witch May 2016 #108

so in the meanwhile MFM008 May 2016 #121

Not the same sorry Silver_Witch May 2016 #171

A peace freak puffy socks May 2016 #186

Give us all a break. . . . tell us which issue, what principle did Hillary get right for you pdsimdars May 2016 #150

Everybody loves a progressive when they safely tucked away in the corner Armstead May 2016 #52

If Bernie had been denied running as a Democrat you would have a point BootinUp May 2016 #82

Bernie doesn't have the impending legal problems that Hillary has. (nt) w4rma May 2016 #122

Fair point. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2016 #180

I think that picture is from Goblinmonger May 2016 #184

I've beenvery disappointed in Hillary Clinton going on 9 years now. So disappointed I want nothing nc4bo May 2016 #59

Thank God he's revealing his true character now uponit7771 May 2016 #113

Same here. Sparkly May 2016 #266

Banned? Dramatic much? LOL! Logical May 2016 #25

Drama Queens For Hillary! Doctor_J May 2016 #51

Cha loves her some Hillary now, though chwaliszewski May 2016 #131

Perhaps just some confusion over whose supporters have been getting banned since December? merrily May 2016 #246

Righteous rant and I am with you absolutely!!! Nt seabeyond May 2016 #28

Alert? Why oh pray why? nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #33

Ironic that you constantly say your OPs will be alerted on. zappaman May 2016 #77

Except I do not waste my time alerting nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #87

Uh huh zappaman May 2016 #114

What you believe is your projection and fantasy nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #118

Best of luck to your candidate zappaman May 2016 #124

Thank you for putting in words how I also feel Progressive dog May 2016 #34

How have they been acting worse than Clinton? Armstead May 2016 #40

How are they worse than Clinton? This garbage. Totally made up insulting attacks like you just made. seabeyond May 2016 #57

Bernie fought in the primaries and he has lost. Progressive dog May 2016 #138

How is trying to influence the platform helping the Republicans? Armstead May 2016 #142

First, Bernie claims that he still has a path to the nomination Progressive dog May 2016 #148

Seriously! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2016 #181

steal the super delegates? passiveporcupine May 2016 #84

OMG, Bernie can't succeed in making it a "contested contest" Progressive dog May 2016 #136

OMG OMG OMG passiveporcupine May 2016 #224

So you must be in the Hill camp Progressive dog May 2016 #237

No, my use of the OMG's were intentional...to sound like you guys. passiveporcupine May 2016 #245

OMG OMG OMG that is funny Progressive dog May 2016 #285

Now I would take your OP and just switch the characters around and call it a day. bkkyosemite May 2016 #36

+10,000 nt Live and Learn May 2016 #53

haha, yes! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2016 #183

She pulled just as much shit in 2008...and has been pulling it this year Armstead May 2016 #37

more excuses for Bernie's failed gambit redstateblues May 2016 #72

Hillary used to be for "the notion of a primary being allowed to pursue its course." pdsimdars May 2016 #154

Excellent rant. sheshe2 May 2016 #38

Why would I alert it? Disagree with most of it, but would never alert it. EndElectoral May 2016 #47

+10,000 nt Live and Learn May 2016 #56

One of the reasons why the banned was revoked was because of the number of times AA and HRC ... uponit7771 May 2016 #116

Well said. I couldn't agree more. Is New Democrat a thing I missed? I like the silvershadow May 2016 #128

That's my RonnyK!!! NanceGreggs May 2016 #50

Back at ya! ronnykmarshall May 2016 #256

K&R betsuni May 2016 #55

Kicked and recommended! Firebrand Gary May 2016 #60

I know you only as someone who makes snide putdowns on Bernie. senz May 2016 #61

^^^^^^^^^^^ Amen! ^^^^^^^^^^^ pdsimdars May 2016 #155

Thanks for stalking! ronnykmarshall May 2016 #295

Whatever floats your boat whatchamacallit May 2016 #63

Whatever trips your trigger. cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #64

Whatever quids your pro quo. pdsimdars May 2016 #156

I see what you did there. Good one! nt cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #164

Why rage? She went to the end. Bernie's going to the end. Ok for her, not him? Silly. snowy owl May 2016 #67

There you go again snowy... using logic! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2016 #185

Beyond silly. Hypocritical, vintx May 2016 #220

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #68

Damn! I see you haven't change your ways Ronny nini May 2016 #69

There is one constant Ronny, we are both stil here. William769 May 2016 #73

Well said! nolawarlock May 2016 #75

Right there with you RonnieK Maru Kitteh May 2016 #76

You know very well that you won't be banned sadoldgirl May 2016 #78

ronnyk! Bobbie Jo May 2016 #81

I am a PROUD Establishment Democrat fun n serious May 2016 #85

100 % agreement from this Hillary supporter. oasis May 2016 #88

K&R ismnotwasm May 2016 #91

"I'm over this bullshit." workinclasszero May 2016 #92

Hear, hear!!!! Beacool May 2016 #93

I don't think he's really going to Turin_C3PO May 2016 #213

But that's what he, Devine and Weaver keep saying. Beacool May 2016 #215

Oh the drama... artislife May 2016 #94

K&R a million times!!! lunamagica May 2016 #96

Skinner is not going to ban you Relax, He supports Mrs. Clinton! akbacchus_BC May 2016 #97

You're so very brave. Marr May 2016 #99

Why on earth will you be banned? You are a Clinton supporer akbacchus_BC May 2016 #100

WOW, ronny! So glad you got to tell it like it is! And, thank you for supporting President Obama Cha May 2016 #101

See post #51. nt 2cannan May 2016 #175

PROUD DEMOCRAT...says it all. New button, please!! Jitter65 May 2016 #102

The sad thing is that you have to be worried about being alerted on for posting your honest Trust Buster May 2016 #103

^^^^This. Lisa0825 May 2016 #273

This is the problem of painting people with a broad brush... Silver_Witch May 2016 #104

ARE YOU KIDDING???? northernsouthern May 2016 #105

You support a republican. basselope May 2016 #106

Top 15% most liberal in congress. seabeyond May 2016 #141

Who was number one? SwampG8r May 2016 #165

I imagine Sanders. See, hurts me not. Clinton only a couple percentage points behind Sanders. seabeyond May 2016 #188

Just asking SwampG8r May 2016 #193

The article I read had Sanders at number one sitting at 95% and Clinton at 15% sitting at 93%. seabeyond May 2016 #194

Sanders was number one ismnotwasm May 2016 #206

No. basselope May 2016 #195

Yada Yada Yada, you are still incorrect. Clinton is a strong liberal. seabeyond May 2016 #198

LOL. Yeo, a good ol War/frackin loving liberal. basselope May 2016 #200

Hey.... Backatcha being a Sanders supporter. Getting frackin' money along with the rest of 'em. seabeyond May 2016 #217

Nonsense. Bobbie Jo May 2016 #151

Democrats love their war and fracking! basselope May 2016 #196

! Hiraeth May 2016 #109

I could barely summon enough interest to reply ibegurpard May 2016 #115

thank you ronnyk! DemonGoddess May 2016 #117

agree MFM008 May 2016 #119

Most of the shit that the GOP believes about Obama started with Hillary's campaign. w4rma May 2016 #123

The pony accusation. Long time no see Betty Karlson May 2016 #125

Some OPs seem far more suitable for one's diary or journal. merrily May 2016 #127

This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow May 2016 #129

Righteous "rant" leftynyc May 2016 #132

Thank you ronnie! murielm99 May 2016 #133

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #134

Sanders is trying to win the nomination ProfessorPlum May 2016 #135

Apparently he will still be trying to win during Hillary's inauguration. nt BootinUp May 2016 #192

HAHA workinclasszero May 2016 #214

I love you Ronny. As much of a shitshow this place can be, I'm glad it exists, I'm glad PeaceNikki May 2016 #137

Don't forget attacking civil rights icons, blatant sexism and blatant racism. nt LexVegas May 2016 #139

Every party's gotta have a Nixon. VulgarPoet May 2016 #140

I've got some bad news... disillusioned73 May 2016 #144

the definition of irony dlwickham May 2016 #277

"I am PROUD DEMOCRAT! I support my party." disillusioned73 May 2016 #280

Right there with you, Ronny, as always. Lyric May 2016 #145

Come on, you are so far "into a bubble" that you seem to have lost touch with reality. pdsimdars May 2016 #146

Bernie did vote against the auto bailout Progressive dog May 2016 #169

Thank you for that! n/t RoccoR5955 May 2016 #208

Good for you ... if it were a football game Doremus May 2016 #152

Logo Gate defined the intelligence of those we are up against. NCTraveler May 2016 #153

Support whatever you want, just don't pretend to be more than a corporate tool. PeteSelman May 2016 #161

and thank you again and rest for Hillary attackers for proving my point. ronnykmarshall May 2016 #163

That the point is corruption pays? Katashi_itto May 2016 #172

"don't pretend to be more than a corporate tool." Do not pretend you have a clue. seabeyond May 2016 #189

K&R Gothmog May 2016 #162

Okay. LWolf May 2016 #166

A clinton supporter banned? SwampG8r May 2016 #168

True dat. n/t RoccoR5955 May 2016 #209

"didn't get their glitter pony and sat on their asses" wildeyed May 2016 #170

Alert for what? Bombast? Lack of diplomatic skills? Pugnaciousness? Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #182

I love your post CreekDog May 2016 #187

right on ruggerson May 2016 #190

You don't know what a democrat lastone May 2016 #197

You have seen only half of the singing angels, then. Orsino May 2016 #199

Considering the political meaning of the terms left & right, CrispyQ May 2016 #201

Good for you. Jester Messiah May 2016 #202

Thank you! tonyt53 May 2016 #203

Having a bad day? (eom) HassleCat May 2016 #204

Yes! Scurrilous May 2016 #205

Thank you Ronny! livetohike May 2016 #210

"Got a problem?" bvf May 2016 #211

Glad to be the 100th rec! R B Garr May 2016 #212

Kicked and recommended. hamsterjill May 2016 #216

well said. K&R!! n/t Sheepshank May 2016 #219

Righteous rant. Kicked and recommended. yardwork May 2016 #221

Saying that you are a Clinton supporter kiva May 2016 #231

Are you an actual member of the Democratic Party? imagine2015 May 2016 #232

lol Go Vols May 2016 #236

Since this is a fuck you to me can I say fuck you to you too? DFab420 May 2016 #240

Sure ronnykmarshall May 2016 #255

You know, there is a Hillary Group in DemocraticUnderground... Herman4747 May 2016 #241

Of course I know of the group. ronnykmarshall May 2016 #258

When you write: "best qualified candidate ever to run"... Herman4747 May 2016 #284

Bye hon ronnykmarshall May 2016 #289

Maybe you shouldn't leave the Bernie group if you are so afraid of what goes on here. JTFrog May 2016 #270

So presumptuous you are! Herman4747 May 2016 #281

Lol. You've been banned from both. JTFrog May 2016 #283

Do you have anything substantive to say? rbnyc May 2016 #242

Good for you! This needed to be said! anotherproletariat May 2016 #247

What a bold stand! Ed Suspicious May 2016 #252

Why thank you, hon! ronnykmarshall May 2016 #259

K&R baldguy May 2016 #257

Get well soon. CentralCoaster May 2016 #261

I agree. I supported Obama in 2008, but the ugliness was child's play compared to what I see now still_one May 2016 #262

Great thread Gothmog May 2016 #264

You speak for me, ronnykmarshall. SunSeeker May 2016 #265

BRAVO!!! STANDING OVATION!!! Lisa0825 May 2016 #267

Have a cocktail, dear. sister_rosa_refried May 2016 #268

Hillary makes me vomit PowerToThePeople May 2016 #271

How vivid. ronnykmarshall May 2016 #274

K&R. nt UtahLib May 2016 #275

Geez, you have the convenient amnesia of a conservative. BillZBubb May 2016 #276

oh she fed the birther bullshit? ronnykmarshall May 2016 #288

Amen! Stuckinthebush May 2016 #278

That's the difference RonnieK Loki May 2016 #282

Amen. n/t Stand and Fight May 2016 #286

Anyone who runs on the hatred of my party is a dangerous individual. Walk away May 2016 #287

kick for truth... Blue_Tires May 2016 #290

You Dont Care Anymore-About the Primary The Country The Future...What exactly does that mean?? Bern2WinUSA May 2016 #291

Yes I do care about future ronnykmarshall May 2016 #292

Do you know what she said to the Wall Street Banksters who had stolen our money and B Calm May 2016 #293

Do you know? ronnykmarshall May 2016 #294

Hell no! That's one reason why I don't trust her. B Calm May 2016 #296