2016 Postmortem

BootinUp

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41. You make a very good point. nt

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Tue May 3, 2016, 10:39 AM

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Regarding the "Camp Weathervane" meme [View all] auntpurl May 2016 OP

When my oldest son came-out to me, I "evolved" ... or did I "flip-flop" and "abandon my principles". NurseJackie May 2016 #1

Well, exactly. auntpurl May 2016 #2

Are you saying... tonedevil May 2016 #53

No. NurseJackie May 2016 #57

I'm sorry how... tonedevil May 2016 #66

Love. NurseJackie May 2016 #67

That's always... tonedevil May 2016 #68

What was problem with LGBT prior to that? frylock May 2016 #72

You are not a politician egalitegirl May 2016 #76

So you hated gays before that? Or was it all LGBTs that you hated? cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #78

What a cynical and hateful thing to say. I'd feel sad for you ... NurseJackie May 2016 #86

Awww. cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #91

Clearly I struck a nerve. :-P NurseJackie May 2016 #94

I am so sorry to see the reaction you have gotten for being honest. bettyellen May 2016 #95

To be honest ... it's exactly what I was expecting. NurseJackie May 2016 #100

Perfect? Not even close. I'll tell you this though; I've NEVER needed to evolve on LGBT issues. cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #101

So, you hate anyone who might have been raised much more conservative and needed to digest the bettyellen May 2016 #103

So wait? You were against the LGBT community until your son came out?? DFab420 May 2016 #98

This is how the Repubs are TSIAS May 2016 #111

Not knowing NurseJackie, a person can be brainwashed by religious beliefs... moriah May 2016 #124

Evolving is not flip-flopping. Take her Keystone position, TPP positition, as examples. CentralCoaster May 2016 #3

Re: TPP auntpurl May 2016 #5

Oh please. Kall May 2016 #106

"got it right the first time" Where are you getting prizes or awards based on when you decided? IamMab May 2016 #8

You "might give her a pass" on the "gay marriage matter", eh? NurseJackie May 2016 #17

So...you have gotten everything ' right the first time'. ? apcalc May 2016 #65

No one gets everything right the first time... TCJ70 May 2016 #89

"it's political malpractice�to attack a politician for coming around on your issue" THIS IamMab May 2016 #4

Agree completely. auntpurl May 2016 #11

Because history is kind to pragmatic slavery supporters? HooptieWagon May 2016 #44

Ah, the American version of Godwin's Law. nt auntpurl May 2016 #52

So you have no answer. HooptieWagon May 2016 #59

Because DU would advise a bloody war is the answer- right? SBS would allow secession I guess... bettyellen May 2016 #97

Abraham Lincoln was rather heavily criticised thucythucy May 2016 #104

I totally agree our representatives should evolve! Silver_Witch May 2016 #6

"She polls and then puts out policy to align with the current trend" auntpurl May 2016 #15

IMO, you're missing the point of what a politician does justiceischeap May 2016 #45

Evolving is good. Sanders himself evolved on the super delegate issue. brush May 2016 #7

Bernie's changed his positions a lot more than his supporters like to admit nt auntpurl May 2016 #16

For example..? frylock May 2016 #73

"Supers are bad!" "No wait, I love supers! They should vote for me!" auntpurl May 2016 #79

1) Bernie is playing within the rules that the private entity known as the Democratic party has set. frylock May 2016 #83

so he is a fool not to take advantage of fundraising rules? Or is there a different standard.... bettyellen May 2016 #115

Last I checked, he didn't really need to take advantage of fundraising rules. frylock May 2016 #116

Because Hillary is raising the money for whoever makes it to the GE, for both POTUS and downticket. bettyellen May 2016 #117

No, she isn't. frylock May 2016 #118

LOL, nope. bettyellen May 2016 #119

ROFL, yup. Matt_R May 2016 #121

Did Hillary evolve on coal just recently? NWCorona May 2016 #9

Again, this is a nuanced issue and Hillary is not good at sound bite answers. auntpurl May 2016 #20

I'm going of what she said at a debate and how she just said that she's supports coal now. NWCorona May 2016 #26

She DIDN'T say she supported coal - she said she supported workers in the coal industry. auntpurl May 2016 #31

So, if she supported $12 minium wage, does taht mean she supports $15 in reality? Matt_R May 2016 #122

Also, if she supports the workers, does she support the managers too? Matt_R May 2016 #123

Hillary may well have been pandering. But I have a very serious question for you: Buzz Clik May 2016 #32

I do think it was pandering but it's expected NWCorona May 2016 #47

as does Hillary. She felt fracking was too loosely regulated and eventually needs to be phased out- bettyellen May 2016 #99

Savage is correct mcar May 2016 #10

"FUCK YOU FOR NOT ALWAYS AGREEING WITH ME! I'M NOT VOTING FOR YOU! FUCK YOU SOME MORE!" Dem2 May 2016 #12

I love Dan Savage. auntpurl May 2016 #21

That he does Dem2 May 2016 #30

like when he supported the invasion of Iraq? TheSarcastinator May 2016 #40

when it is accompanied with poor judgment, and a hidden agenda. Hillary is untrustworthy to the Kip Humphrey May 2016 #13

That's a character issue. auntpurl May 2016 #22

I think this drives Hillary high negatives and poses her biggest political problem. For me, Kip Humphrey May 2016 #69

You're putting the cart before the horse. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #75

um...There are several video's of her lying Phlem May 2016 #88

HRC's latest "evolution"--was in W Virginia panader0 May 2016 #14

She didn't lie - see my post above re: this issue. auntpurl May 2016 #24

Did she say it with a W Virginia accent too? GummyBearz May 2016 #90

Clintons evolution on Gay Marriage is a direct sign of the success of...... NCTraveler May 2016 #18

Exactly right. auntpurl May 2016 #27

Thanks for the op. I enjoyed reading it. nt. NCTraveler May 2016 #34

God forbid a politician listen to the demands of the people! JaneyVee May 2016 #19

IKR auntpurl May 2016 #29

but but but, while Bernie Bros are more than happy to use the moniker Camp Weathervane Sheepshank May 2016 #23

I don't like to use the term "Bernie Bro" but I agree with your general point. auntpurl May 2016 #35

I use it generally in conjunction with and as a come back to Camp Weathervane n/t Sheepshank May 2016 #60

It's a question of sincerity and trust in them to walk the talk Rebkeh May 2016 #25

Again, this comes down to a character issue. auntpurl May 2016 #36

You make a very good point. nt BootinUp May 2016 #41

Character matters if she wants our votes, and it should matter Rebkeh May 2016 #54

When "evolving" is nothing more pandering and lying... 99Forever May 2016 #28

Your opinion is noted Dem2 May 2016 #33

Well, aren't you charming. auntpurl May 2016 #38

Have no reason to be. 99Forever May 2016 #71

It is ideologues and fundamentalists that don't accept evolving views. BootinUp May 2016 #37

Me too. auntpurl May 2016 #39

who cares what Dan Savage "thinks"? TheSarcastinator May 2016 #42

Iraq was regrettable for a lot of people. auntpurl May 2016 #48

revisionist horse manure TheSarcastinator May 2016 #56

I am okay voting for somebody despite skepticism about their core principles. thesquanderer May 2016 #43

Agreed. I'm not really worried about the specifics of a candidate's core principles. auntpurl May 2016 #50

The problem is one of sincerity. Scuba May 2016 #46

Sure. If it's a character issue for you, no one can convince you of anything different. auntpurl May 2016 #49

When hundreds of thousands protested in NYC to prevent an Iraq invasion KeepItReal May 2016 #51

well, she was representing the views of Dan Savage TheSarcastinator May 2016 #58

Weathervane - for me - refers to her economic positions. Betty Karlson May 2016 #55

Problem is they don't represent US Armstead May 2016 #61

2/3 of Americans support single payer healthcare. Why has she evolved away from that? Doctor_J May 2016 #62

This part of your post jumped out at me SFnomad May 2016 #63

Changing one's position based on new evidence or a broadened perspective is good. Changing one's Attorney in Texas May 2016 #64

Hillary changes her position based on who's in the room. That's the worst part. nt cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #108

"Evolving" IS a joke Depaysement May 2016 #70

How about having a moral core choie May 2016 #74

So... coal or no coal? cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #77

A simple answer. HassleCat May 2016 #80

Do you mean like Hillary pushing for healthcare for all decades before anyone else? auntpurl May 2016 #81

Exactly that kind. HassleCat May 2016 #85

Good one. Kall May 2016 #107

I understand where you are TRYING to go, but disagree. IdaBriggs May 2016 #82

Funny how she seems to "evolve" at the precise moment it becomes politically expedient. Throd May 2016 #84

I want a politician who doesn't need to constantly "evolve" Joob May 2016 #87

"political malpractice" is a great phrase. and yeah I know they want to change the system, but bettyellen May 2016 #92

"what exactly do we want from our politicians?" Android3.14 May 2016 #93

I agree. Turin_C3PO May 2016 #96

When a weathervaney politician pretends that this year's popular stance is a deeply-held principle.. Orsino May 2016 #102

I expect people's views to evolve, but Blue Meany May 2016 #105

Because I don't believe her Prism May 2016 #109

When she says that she is against coal mining & 2 months later says she didn't mean it.... jillan May 2016 #110

+1 Lucinda May 2016 #112

It seems even more dumb to deride someone for being on your side on an issue longer or even TheKentuckian May 2016 #113

Some things evolve... ' Core Principles ' do not... TipTok May 2016 #114

. baldguy May 2016 #120