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In reply to the discussion: Ok then, Let's spell it out for Hillary "Democrats" [View all]Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)266. "What exactly has the establishment done to Bernie supporters? Thrown them out of the party?"
YES! That is exactly what they did to me, (and thousands of others according to reports, let alone those that didn't report it to both their local, and State Board of elections here in NYS!)
I was a Registered Democrat (loyally voting party line ticket) since I first Registered to vote 37 years and some odd months ago. I voted in EVERY election since (with the exception of 2002 when I was in the hospital at the time, and would have voted absentee then as well, if it wasn't so fucking hard and full of red tape to vote absentee in NYS) I didn't know it was such a pain in the ass and found myself ill-equipped being mostly unconscious in a hospital bed at the time to mange it.
After 37 fucking years, the party switched my party affiliation to NPA without my consent or knowledge, not so much as a notification I was no longer a member of my party! it happened sometime around March, or possibly earlier it is hard to say for sure, because I did not find out about it until after several warnings on this site to check one's party affiliation after reports of affiliation purging were being made en massse in several States, first noticed on a large scale in Arizona.
I finally decided to check online after the reports became extremely common in closed primary states, I fully expected everything would be in order because for those 37 years I never had a problem voting in any of my NY primaries, even in non Presidential elections. But FUCK ME! everything was correct but my party affiliation, which was tampered with by someone, and since only Democrat "establishment" people have access to my Democratic credentials, I know damn well what happened!
NYS was rigged for Clinton!, NY was not the only State where these strange "clerical errors" or election fraud as I like to call it, have been reported to be happening.
And as far as your BS lectures go, I am very active politically! I even act with others beyond political voting, look into "push buffalo" sometime and learn what some good people are doing from the bottom up!
I know how, or at least have a theory as to how and why certain Democrats were pushed out of the party, Strange thing happened to me, three days after Sanders was locked out of his voter data for a day from a database held by the DLC machine along with other Democrat's supporter information.
I received the first of many Hillary Campaign emails, thanking me for my support. Two things were suspicious to me, one, how the fuck did they get my email address and my name? Second, why did the first correspondence after thanking me for my support, ask if I could send them another $20 or more if I could to continue my support. THE EXACT AMOUNT I DONATED TO SANDERS
[font size="1"; color="red"]*an important note, I do not twitter Facebook or do anything else that could have led to the mining of such information, and I never once donated to or contacted the Clinton campaign*[/font]
Coincidence? Kismet? The Collective Unconscious? Pure strange luck? I doubt it.
Yes, they kicked some Democrats out of the party, and your other nonsense, is pure nonsense, when you run a Republican lite against a Republican, 9 out of ten, the Republican will vote for the real one every time and the Democrat will see so little difference between two candidates that do not care about any of their issues to even bother choosing which grade of Republican to vote for and thus stay home.
In all those elections DWS ran as DNC Chair, it was blue dog lite Republicrats she ran consistently even starving out liberal Democrats when necessary to do so, with the expected results, maintaining her untarnished record as abject failure, you do not blame the voters for not voting for a shitty candidate, wait excuse me, That is exactly what your entire argument has been.
I was a Registered Democrat (loyally voting party line ticket) since I first Registered to vote 37 years and some odd months ago. I voted in EVERY election since (with the exception of 2002 when I was in the hospital at the time, and would have voted absentee then as well, if it wasn't so fucking hard and full of red tape to vote absentee in NYS) I didn't know it was such a pain in the ass and found myself ill-equipped being mostly unconscious in a hospital bed at the time to mange it.
After 37 fucking years, the party switched my party affiliation to NPA without my consent or knowledge, not so much as a notification I was no longer a member of my party! it happened sometime around March, or possibly earlier it is hard to say for sure, because I did not find out about it until after several warnings on this site to check one's party affiliation after reports of affiliation purging were being made en massse in several States, first noticed on a large scale in Arizona.
I finally decided to check online after the reports became extremely common in closed primary states, I fully expected everything would be in order because for those 37 years I never had a problem voting in any of my NY primaries, even in non Presidential elections. But FUCK ME! everything was correct but my party affiliation, which was tampered with by someone, and since only Democrat "establishment" people have access to my Democratic credentials, I know damn well what happened!
NYS was rigged for Clinton!, NY was not the only State where these strange "clerical errors" or election fraud as I like to call it, have been reported to be happening.
And as far as your BS lectures go, I am very active politically! I even act with others beyond political voting, look into "push buffalo" sometime and learn what some good people are doing from the bottom up!
I know how, or at least have a theory as to how and why certain Democrats were pushed out of the party, Strange thing happened to me, three days after Sanders was locked out of his voter data for a day from a database held by the DLC machine along with other Democrat's supporter information.
I received the first of many Hillary Campaign emails, thanking me for my support. Two things were suspicious to me, one, how the fuck did they get my email address and my name? Second, why did the first correspondence after thanking me for my support, ask if I could send them another $20 or more if I could to continue my support. THE EXACT AMOUNT I DONATED TO SANDERS
[font size="1"; color="red"]*an important note, I do not twitter Facebook or do anything else that could have led to the mining of such information, and I never once donated to or contacted the Clinton campaign*[/font]
Coincidence? Kismet? The Collective Unconscious? Pure strange luck? I doubt it.
Yes, they kicked some Democrats out of the party, and your other nonsense, is pure nonsense, when you run a Republican lite against a Republican, 9 out of ten, the Republican will vote for the real one every time and the Democrat will see so little difference between two candidates that do not care about any of their issues to even bother choosing which grade of Republican to vote for and thus stay home.
In all those elections DWS ran as DNC Chair, it was blue dog lite Republicrats she ran consistently even starving out liberal Democrats when necessary to do so, with the expected results, maintaining her untarnished record as abject failure, you do not blame the voters for not voting for a shitty candidate, wait excuse me, That is exactly what your entire argument has been.
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This Revolt Has Been Building For Years - The DWS, DNC, DLC, Third-Way Has Only Themselves To Blame
cantbeserious
May 2016
#1
I don't vote for her. If you hate her so fucking much, call her on the phone.
Buzz Clik
May 2016
#51
Fine. If you choose to take no direct action, then quit expecting me/us to justify what she does.
Buzz Clik
May 2016
#66
The chances of speaking with DWS directly on the phone are very slim indeed. At best
Cal33
May 2016
#139
Give people a reason to vote and they will. Offer a pale imitation of the other party ...
Scuba
May 2016
#87
None ever asked for ponies, that's just a meme from the right-wing of the Democratic Party.
Scuba
May 2016
#96
"What exactly has the establishment done to Bernie supporters? Thrown them out of the party?"
Dragonfli
May 2016
#266
No, the GOP left him but DWS took him in and ran him as a Democrat. That's a betrayal ...
Scuba
May 2016
#246
It's because of the party's establishment connections that do not care about the Average
bkkyosemite
May 2016
#104
The DNC's establishment has done nothing for the Average American they care only about
bkkyosemite
May 2016
#212
Nadin, check out this link, I think you will be among those that understand it.
Dragonfli
May 2016
#267
Nadin doesn't endorse candidates, everybody knows this, she does critique certain tactics and idiocy
Dragonfli
May 2016
#268
False. I'm so fucking tired of this lie you conservadems like to trot out
LondonReign2
May 2016
#289
Paleeze! You shit on Leftists for 30 years and expect them to vote for you?
Peace Patriot
May 2016
#306
In 2009, Democrats in DC had an opportunity to protect our elections and voting rights.
Scuba
May 2016
#217
But it didn't pass, despite Dems having a super-majority in the Senate in 2009 with ...
Scuba
May 2016
#235
They lose, over and over again, DWS and the others still keep their cushy jobs.
leveymg
May 2016
#47
I have considered alternative reasons they have kept DWS in power. None of them good.
Enthusiast
May 2016
#273
Her actual words are worse. Of course I paraphrased but for those interested
berni_mccoy
May 2016
#29
Not this Democrat. Why would either party not what to include and to attract independent voters ?
CentralMass
May 2016
#38
Look at the argument, NCTraveler, though... it is about who can best defeat tRump, can you address
JudyM
May 2016
#75
I am sure you know it is expected that SBS unfavorables will plunge once anyone runs negative....
bettyellen
May 2016
#183
That is not the issue... same as anyone, but his negatives are minuscule in relation to hers.
JudyM
May 2016
#187
What the entire electorate will see as SBS's negatives have not been put out there. The better
bettyellen
May 2016
#192
Most of her margin over him is, like it or not, as a practical matter, not going to help in the GE.
JudyM
May 2016
#194
She is winning the swing states. He is winning tiny empty red states- and that means nothing.
bettyellen
May 2016
#195
I guess I'd say that anything that isn't in the "Solid D" column would be considered at some risk...
thesquanderer
May 2016
#309
Cook Political: the people that gave us "The Numbers Favor Hillary Clinton Over Trump"
brooklynite
May 2016
#311
You don't think that Democrats would vote for Bernie if he wins the nomination?
dana_b
May 2016
#109
We revealed the degree to which Hillarians will sell their souls to defend the indefensible in DWS.
Kip Humphrey
May 2016
#228
Lots of things are theoretically possible. That's why they establish odds and HRC is a 1-3 favorite.
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2016
#106
Odds six months out, like polls, cannot be accepted as totally reliable.
thesquanderer
May 2016
#310
Dana Milbank: blah blah blah blah blah ... Derp! ... blah blah blah... fart.
ChisolmTrailDem
May 2016
#265
You seem to have a hard time with the concept Sanders has NEVER been vetted
KittyWampus
May 2016
#77
At the end of teh day, you have to convince DEMOCRATS that you're the best candidate.
Adrahil
May 2016
#82
The Party elite were "ready for Hillary" long before she announced her candidacy.
senz
May 2016
#171
I thought it was a very liberating comment. I don't know about anyone else but it's a package deal
Autumn
May 2016
#110
Reasonable "Independents" will rally behind Hillary. The "HillaryHaters" will not. We don't care ...
NurseJackie
May 2016
#114
In the General Election, with Clinton v. Trump, I trust independents to look at their choices
Agnosticsherbet
May 2016
#152
I know a few Repubs that will not be voting for Donald or anyone. I think there are
Pisces
May 2016
#196
You might want to check your sources on that. Trump has done well with evangelicals.
BillZBubb
May 2016
#279
Let's spell it out for Bernie fans: HRC has won 12.2 miln votes, Trump: 10.1 miln, Bernie: 9.1 miln
Bill USA
May 2016
#226
When you have the apparatchiks known as superdelegates, the vote suppression, etc you go crazy. n/t
bobthedrummer
May 2016
#232
"This is why comments like DWS "We don't need the independents" comment so damn stupid. "
malokvale77
May 2016
#255
That's not accurate. Even Obama didn't need to win the independent vote in 2012.
BzaDem
May 2016
#258
I'm not sure how you get from "primary turnout gap" to "need to win independents by double digits"
BzaDem
May 2016
#263
In case you haven't noticed, historically primary turnout is not a predictor of general election
onenote
May 2016
#308
unfortunately, they are unable to process that information. a sad day for democracy.
pdsimdars
May 2016
#290
Guess who else has an unprecedented unfavorable rating among indpendents: Trump
onenote
May 2016
#307