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thesquanderer

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16. True, some disaffected right-leaners may prefer to vote for Hillary, at least on policy. But...
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:01 AM
May 2016

...that has to be balanced with Hillary's huge unfavorables outside the dem base, so there is not a lot of motivation to be had there, to actually come out to the Dem primary and pull that lever.

That is to say, if a right-leaning voter is anti-Trump, and so is leaning voting Dem in November, to get them to come out for an open Dem primary, I think you need to look beyond the "any port in a storm" voters, to those who actually have a strong preference in a choice they wish they didn't have to make in the first place. Based on polling, non-Dems who have a preference would be expected to overwhelmingly prefer Bernie.

Secondarily, with Hillary the clear frontrunner, even those disaffected right-leaning voters who prefer her over Bernie may not feel as motivated to come out and vote for her in an open Dem primay, compared to the anti-Hillary people who want someone other than Hillary OR Trump to vote for in November, both because it is already likely that she will win and also, related to what I said above, their preference for Hillary over Bernie may not be that strong.

But there's a whole other angle on this as well: There are a number of right-leaning voters who actually prefer Sanders' positions on civil liberties (i.e. PATRIOT Act), his less hawk-like positions on foreign policy, his stand against trade policies like NAFTA and TPP. So while Hillary can be seen as more moderate (therefore closer to Republican) in many ways compared to the typically more liberal Bernie, there are also some key areas where the reverse is true.

And it's not always even a matter of what their positions are. There are other reasons people prefer one candidate or another.

Bottom line: outside the Dem base (i.e. Republicans and independents), people tend to prefer Bernie over Hillary. So he is the more likely beneficiary of right-leaning voters who don't like Trump.

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That's why closed primaries are better late in the process... CrowCityDem May 2016 #1
re: "It should be decided by people who actually want to vote for a Democrat." thesquanderer May 2016 #6
40% of independents lean Republican... CrowCityDem May 2016 #9
Most "Independents" are actually partisans who FLATTER themselves ... NurseJackie May 2016 #25
Then they need yo be 100% Duckhunter935 May 2016 #11
Exactly! Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #18
+1 artislife May 2016 #26
Counter point: Wouldn't these people prefer to vote for the Dem candidate closest to their views? LonePirate May 2016 #2
In regards to the op. I think both Hillary and Bernie will pick up extra votes NWCorona May 2016 #3
As misguided as it is, Republicans have been trained to hate Hillary Clinton for the last 30 years. DefenseLawyer May 2016 #5
Cruz voters- going for Hillary? You have to be kidding. bettyellen May 2016 #12
True, some disaffected right-leaners may prefer to vote for Hillary, at least on policy. But... thesquanderer May 2016 #16
I think Dem voters will now start to quickly align behind whomever appears stronger. apnu May 2016 #4
Why would he want a seat artislife May 2016 #27
He doesn't have the podium yet. apnu May 2016 #28
He has the podium now. nt artislife May 2016 #36
So that's part of your base now? Cruz voters? Codeine May 2016 #7
I'll take the vote of anyone who doesn't want Trump to be the next president. thesquanderer May 2016 #8
Maybe, but still too little, too late nt firebrand80 May 2016 #10
The true last gasp of Camp Sanders, now that the supers won't jump ship; soliciting ratfuckery Tarc May 2016 #13
Amazing. auntpurl May 2016 #14
I'm not suggesting ratfuckery. thesquanderer May 2016 #15
In open primaries yes. Even more repugs deciding our candidate. seabeyond May 2016 #17
If you want closed primaries then quit spending public cash to do it pinebox May 2016 #19
All one has to do is commit to a party. The whine...... seabeyond May 2016 #29
The whine? More like the crap of not having same day registration pinebox May 2016 #30
Yes. Correct. Commit to a party or do not vote in our primary. The absurdity of the argument, seabeyond May 2016 #32
Okay, if same day registration is a bad idea... thesquanderer May 2016 #35
If these "repugs" end up voting Dem in November as a result instead of staying home... thesquanderer May 2016 #21
They wont. Ive seen numerous interviews with them. JaneyVee May 2016 #22
"numerous interviews" = anecdotal evidence thesquanderer May 2016 #24
It is Democrats, deciding on our Democratic candidate, in OUR Democratic party primary. seabeyond May 2016 #31
Obviously, there are arguments on both sides. thesquanderer May 2016 #33
As long as the majority of Democrats vote to have a Democrat pick our candidate, I am good with it. seabeyond May 2016 #34
Why would committed conservatives vote for Sanders if he's supposedly the stronger candidate? Zynx May 2016 #20
My premise is that they want Trump to lose. Those are the voters I'm talking about. thesquanderer May 2016 #23
Those people would likely not vote in a Democratic primary KingFlorez May 2016 #37
I think some would. thesquanderer May 2016 #38
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